Pheurton Skeurto

"Perfect pitch really just means the ability to recognize pitch without any reference point..."

Not possible. This only indicates that you can do so based on your upbringing and the culture in which you were raised (and also the fact that there is a 60 cycle hum everywhere most of the time, in North America - note that this changes based on where you live on the planet).

Note names and such aren't actually real.. they are only conventions... the reality is that there is no reference, only a primary arbitrary frequency (n Hz) and from there the first simplest construction is an interval.

However, if someone is referring to, say, picking up any given instrument (which, I will remind people is likely "set up" for A-440, unless maybe it's a stretch-tuned piano) and playing a note on it. This 'perfect pitch' misnomer may actually be your brain detecting the fundamental and the partials, and, in the blink of an eye, registering whether or not the instrument is true to the note being sounded. But even in this process the reference remains (the voicing of said instrument). So really, I've just come back to the start of my statement.

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Palden Dorje

Define "perfect pitch". Because, it doesn't actually... exist....

Well, it can exist... but only when an important criteria is met.

I am curious about why some people maintain that some practices are dangerous. If I understand it correctly Mo Pai is not the only tradition that has restricted access because it's supposedly dangerous. From what I was told Bruce K. Frantzis also restricts a lot because putting it on DVDs or books does not provide enough safeguards for people attempting on their own.

 

I'm not sure if that's true or not. It's only just what I heard. I take the attitude that somewhere, somebody - probably a lot of somebodies individually at different times and places - discovered these assorted practices, etc all on their own. My guess is they did it just by paying attention and letting the Chi, Shen or whatever else they were discovering 'go it's own way' so to speak. Then they just took note of the results. And maybe - like a researcher - tried changing one thing. Presto...another Qi Gong method or Meditation practice or whatnot is born. Perhaps it's similar to what Shamans did (and maybe still do) in traditional clans and tribes.

Actually, you're close... only the one important part you've left out is that, centuries ago, there was one head researcher and a series of extremely willing "disciples" (Guinea Pigs?) all working in the way you've described above. When the head researcher got an idea regarding a new cultivation possibility he would have one of the disciples try it. This often ended up killing the disciple. Notes would be made, and things would carry on in the same fashion until the possibilities were exhausted, and a map was created. This ended up costing 100s of lives and taking a long-assed time.

There are areas in your body which, if flooded with Qi, will literally end your life.

I don't care who doesn't believe what I'm saying as they sit in their armchair, anyone can do the research themselves; as this sort of thing has been documented and is not any sort of big secret (short of the hows and whys of the related deaths - I don't believe that we're privy to the coroner's reports).

On a related note, all of this talk about the body having some natural defence and "emergency mode" is totally ridiculous. If it did then why do people die from cancer? Or die from ANYTHING? Your own mind plays an enormous role in how healthy you are, and how healthy you remain. If you cultivate, and raise your awareness to unreal levels then yes, you probably will have the ability to notice what's going on in your body and foresee the results, thus avoiding those negative influences which cause you disease in the first place. THAT is your defence mode.... you learn to be your own night watchman.

I also hope that that comment above, questioning why we shouldn't try to learn MoPai from John Chang's uh.. "videos", isn't serious. Unless there's been some MoPai blackbeltseminarDVDcertification video that's recently dropped of which I am not aware ? If so, I will gladly stand unabashedly corrected.

I keep hearing about "Longmen pai". Im curious to know at which point the everyday dragon gate sect (an old branch of the quanzhen school) who's teachings are relatively accessible became the mysterious "Longmen Pai" - an ancient esoteric sounding mystical art, (supposedly) headed by the infamous Wang Liping!

Long = Dragon

Men = Gate

Pai = School

Mystery = Zero.

From what I have come to understand, it is not so much the grains... but the STARCH that causes the "problems". Unfortunately 99.99% of everything has starch in it! So I, too, am curious as to just how the ancients got around this little issue. I have heard of some modern-day hermits subsisting purely on certain roots (although, even roots will produce starch once heated). I have also heard that they eat these roots, raw.

My guess is it's important to be able to do the Wind & Dew diet to pull this one off... ?

There is one, rather enormous, factor that not ONE of you has apparently realized about this entire WLP thing and whether he is, or is not, or might be, or could be, or could pretend to be, or is definitely going to be in this country or that country or here or there or on the bloody moon for that matter.

Can anyone possibly think for 10 seconds and figure out just what the hell it is?

If you have already figured it out, then, well, you're probably reading this thread and not posting in it... like I have been.

So for the benefit of EVERYONE in the future (including those who insist on rattling on endlessly about all of this), it might be wise to end this discussion completely (not that that's likely to happen anytime soon). Let Master Wang stay home, be happy, out of harm's way, and send him good vibes in your meditations.

Public Internet messageboards are not the way to run this kind of a railroad. They are a way to derail the train and end everyone's trip.

Think about it.

Hello all,

 

as there seems to be a lot of interest these days regarding Master Wang Liping I have just uploaded a brief intro to his last visit in Hainan on 2007.

I saw this on a Chinese LMP website about 6 months ago... did you put it together yourself?

Interesting experiences!!!

I do not know where to begin.....ask me some Q's!

I have had so many, give me a direction to go in....

Physical, worldly, celestial, emotional, etc.

 

I have had, the room fill with the smell of roses, rain falling from the ceiling and not on the floor, wind and lightning, appearence of animal spirits...(white tiger/lungs) walking acroos the lawn, levitation (whitnessed)

celestial music....

 

who needs TV

 

laoshr

Hah! You sound like a regular Micheal Talbot, dude.

....a lucky man indeed.

Hello all. I've lurked this board via Google for quite some time now. I have finally decided to set up an account and, perhaps, do a little posting.

I have sent a couple of emails to members on here but as the whole messaging thing is a little cryptic, I have no idea whether or not people get the messages from me. That's annoying.

I do some Daoist Yoga as well as Kung Fu. It keeps me busy. I'm more into watching and learning, so don't expect novels from me on here.

Thanks for your time in reading my gripping introduction.

-Rob