Z3N

A bird doesn't need to think it can fly because it is a bird. A baby doesn't need to think to suckle a breast because it is a baby. This is teacherless knowledge without the need of knowing. Knowing that you think there is nothing because you're understanding nothing as in terms of you know is not the knowledge of nothing. The old man may think he knows of age but the reality of getting old is without knowing. It is knowledge that is teacherless knowledge which is a direct experience of reality. There is no need to know. But yet knowing gives us a false believe of a expected outcome.

Like you don't need to know how to see or hear, as knowing has nothing to do with knowledge.

So then why do you want to know of things you do and don't alreay know?

Oh vmaro if only you can free yourself from the fish bowl allowing oneself to speak from direct experience, keeping it simple so there is no science or religious dogma.

Here lies the problem. You have a acquired skill at gathering and sourcing out information that is quite impressive. But your desire to be the answer to all things have over shadowed the reality of spiritual essence and experience. It's is impossible for anyone to know the source. Not even buddha, Lao tzu, Christ etc could know. There is no one that knows cause to know is to employ the self. The knowing is the left over byproduct of knowledge, which is the direct experience of truth which can not be known. Hence the wise. So to be wise you must not over complicate things, this is not there intention.

The puzzle already has a hundred and fifty thousand pieces add infinity all caught up in a fish bowl of complications. So out of compassion let's come together and make it a three piece puzzle so the experience is direct and pure.

This is all just a conversation in the weeds that has lost its ture purpose, and at what cost? Instead of bringing minds into the present vmaro you have actully pull then into the fish bowl. How many fishes can one fit inside of you're little bowl? Poor little guys!

Anyway It's okay you're the little golden one, the self appointed preacher.

And so have fun!!!

No,...you have obviously yet to experience the Present,...perhaps you're spending too much time diverted with delighting in "the cosmic sea."

 

And again no,...The Buddha is not a causeless fulcrum upon which duality effects its motion, brought about by the delusion it is separate from the Buddha and seeking to return to the Buddha, which it can never do, because the separation never occurred.

 

The Buddha is UPON the causeless fulcrum, and is aware of it,...thus, like Undivided Light, the Tathagata neither whences nor whithers,...however, as the Buddha, although dharmakaya, is also Sambhogakaya, which is Divided Light or Rainbow Body that consciously pivots from the Present.

 

My experience is unimportant. Those who seek to follow messengers will remain ignorant. I've said over and over, experience born of belief can only be experienced through the condition of that belief. Listen to the message. Tear it apart. Make an honest inquiry. Uncover your own direct experience.

 

Direct experience must be beyond the 6 senses, or else it is a conditioned experience. Of course, very few are interested in realizing a direct experience. Thus this advice is not for Z3N, but those wishing to understand why there is a cosmic sea.

 

V

Hahahaha still this little fish swims in he's bowl.

Look everyone! around, around this little fish goes......Swimming around in the religious Buddhist dogma.

Sorry your holiness! Your experience is far to important. You don't need to attain real knowledge cause your feasting off the dry and crusty turds of knowing.

So what does buddhas turds taste like?? Are they like golden fluffy clouds?? You must like them every much??

I think the body is 1/7 and the mind is another 1/7

Hahahaha! well this is all just a conversation in the weeds.

This topic is no more important than a bowl of pudding. Importance is something you attribute to it, not something it naturally possesses. So, if I'm hungry, then the bowl of pudding looks very important indeed, because it satisfies that hunger, however if I've eaten my fill, then I don't see much use for the bowl of pudding, at least not right now, so it doesn't seem very important at all.

 

You seem to waver between three topics, the evil of any religion other than Buddhism, the undivided light that you believe constitutes everything in existence, and the lack of a present time. Now I'm not knocking you for that, those obviously seem very important to you, I'm just asking the question, are they really important or are you attributing an importance that doesn't really exist? If the former, then why? If the latter, then why bother talking about it anymore.

 

In the old days, from what I understood, Buddhist didn't actively preach, they only taught people that came to them. It seems that many Buddhists in the Western world feel this need to proselytize in the Christian sense, rather than just let it be. Is it any wonder why many in the East look at Western Buddhists with this sort of amusement, like they were watching young children play a game of tag? Tag, you're not enlightened. No, Tag, you're not enlightened. Oh yay, we're all enlightened. Wait that isn't any fun, we're all enlightened except for Xabir, he's it.

 

You guys do more harm to Buddhism than good, but you obviously fail to recognize that, or maybe you just don't care. As for me, that's fine, anything that keeps people from being sucked into a religion's ideology is a good thing. Hopefully your arguments will inspire people to see Buddhism for what it is, another belief system. Hopefully they wont get involved in it or they'll drop it and then begin to seek real awareness through their own experience.

 

Aaron

Now this has put a smile on my face! Fantastic!!

imho, not delusional - its just that our sensory input through the cranial nerves are only perturbative methods of "accessing reality" just like the vagus nerve is a perturbative interaction with the zangfu

 

e.g. "not directly accessing reality" so it is an interpretation.

All sensory information perceived becomes the product of the "self". What defines the self is the likes and dislikes that one is galveranized too depending on many factors hence diversity of self. So conscious self is the formation of that, what I feel, taste, touch, see, smell and hear are all reality base on this information in regards to self. This is the illusion because the human brain bases what is "real" by electrical impulses which in turn creating the self, this I am "me". Automatically the cocon is formed without even knowing and the consciousness is limited, slowly becomes inwrapped by this mental circuit (Brain matter.) Meaning consciousness spilts into two becoming a conscious and sub conscious, this limits our awareness. Therefore our evolutionary hurdle is established. Hence this topic.

Freeing ones mind form the conditioning of self is enlightenment. Basicly ego assassination. This in turn leads to immortality of the soul. One dose not need a body of cells to be immortal. Our body is just a skin bag, a shell. This shell is the purpose of the evolving soul hence short human life spans and reincarnation. We have all been throught it, death reincarnation

No need to worry about immortality when you're lacking spiritual evolution as a human species .

What good is immortality when I can chop off you're head and you die another rebirth?

I guess if someone demonstrated superpowers under strict scientific observation at somewhere like Harvard and it was screened on tv around the world it could change the world by getting more people into spiritual pursuits, I saw one documentary about a Buddhist whose master told him to go to the West and demonstate powers to get people interested in the Dharma there. But then most will be getting involved for the wrong reasons and you will get frauds taking advantage of the situation so I don't know if much good would come of it.

Yes! This is why we don't have super powers spontaneously evolving in the human population as a critical mass. This is why it is not common knowledge. Whether you like it or not we are still primitive as a speices in our place in this galaxy yet alone this cosmos.

Since no caught this I will point it out to you Vmarco, you said :

 

"Descartes' observations only included the fives senses of sight, hearing, touch, feeling, and taste; "

 

Feeling is not included in the 5 senses, you left out smell.

 

There is not much of a way for feeling to deceive you, either it is felt or not?

 

People are deceived by their definition of what they think is love, not by love itself. They attache things to it, which causes them harm later. Like piling a bunch of stuff on a table, then the tables vanishes, what happens to the stuff?

Emotions are the aquired accumulation of all sense information that is expericed by the organism. You feel love because it is a primal desire, same with anger, fear and so forth. Emotions are apart of our survival just like any other sense that has evolved in the organism.

The things fall of the table just hitting the ground in organized chaos as they do because it is physics. Same goes the emotions when love doesn't go as one wishes, hopes and dreams. They too smash onto the floor as you try and pick up the pices. This too is all apart of the illiusionary consciousness of self.

The point is we are only functioning on less than 10% of our brain. This is the hurdle that we are facIng as a species on this planet. It is a importance that we begin to understand our senses and how it translates from the brain, then the mind and into the quantum of consciousness transcending the realms of energy and matter. The ancients hold the key from the past, the quantum physicist hold the key of the future, and we as a consciousness hold the key to the present. When this information merges into one then truely human consciousness will evolve and awareness will be awakened.

The past, present and future is all happening in the now!! As soon as you measure it, objectively or subjectively than all is lost. My master would say "the mind murders the one giving rise to the many" This murdering of the present is all in the work of "brain matter" selfishly claiming it's "sensory data" as the source of all that there is. This is of course is the illusionary consciousness in the organism.

We must learn not to get complicated in the whole conpectual disputes that arise between different realms. Begin to see the golden rule that flows in all the cultural arts of spirituality and their teachings. With this in mind we can network a concise understanding on a global scale transending into the realms of universality.

Vmarco! with a clear and concise mind brings a smile upon my face. Thank you.

I am glad I am not human and will not fit into that basket you have created.

 

But you go ahead on, my Martian friend.

Hahahaha no need to create. We are all born from the stars

Agree. Can't stop the thoughts. They are a natural function of the brain. They are what causes dreams. The question is: Are we going to give them a place to hang around or are we going to let them wash back out into the ocean?

Hahahahaha a great wise man told me that understand that your thoughts are like logs rushing by in a roaring river torrent. And you are getting smashed and pushed around while you gasp for air and grab hold of a log. But you can never grab hold of them cause the river currant is to strong! But why when you only have to swim to the shore to sit on the banks to realize safely your thoughts, as you watch them go by. Siting peacefully non attached and not gasping for air.

I sure hope she doesn't post a picture of my imaginary Gypsy Lady. That would be very distracting. Hehehe.

Hahahahaha every well let's do it for the experiment!

Everything is trivia. Every word is a lie. There is no Tao an there is no path. Everything apart from this is just an regurgitation of sensory data of brain matter function. Locked down in a mental circuit of likes and dislikes and so on. The mind is galvanized by this due to lack of universal knowledge of the Tao. And also it a evolutionary hurdle of this species. Hence the life on this planet as we know it. The critical mass of the human species is all under a state of dellusion when it comes to the understanding of the cosmos. You humans are drawing closer to it slowly but are lacking the internal science of awareness, energy and matter along with our place on a quantum level. And of course I mean not by machines, computers and whatever else. The Tao of death and consciousness. To know life is to be mortal. To know death is to be immortal. This is all Tao. And still there is no such thing as tao Hahahahahaha! :-)

Right, so now is not the time to post a picture of the beauties that live in your eyelashes then

It's always the right time cause all is Tao. The cause and effects of ones own self is also Tao. Tao within Tao and tao without Tao. Like two facing mirrors facing each other. Its like the ego flips one mirror around so only reflecting its self. Please post your picture.

Double talk as shown in bold, no...???

Hahahaha no not bold but Tao. The subject is in the frame work. Your concepts allow ones self to be contained by brain matter. That's is yin within yin!

Everyone and anyone is a friend of the Tao. Because how can it not be when are you are looking at the reflection of Tao, you. If they chose to disconnect then that is there illusional state of purpose that they wish to aspire. The Tao is the oneness. All is one. Really your best friend is Tao! Hahahahaha!

I have noticed that there is alot of conceptual thought going on. Stick with the natural and applyed no-mind. This will able one to freely discover the natural cycle on it own accord. To much conpectual thought miss guides the natural course of the process. And hinders ones own accomplishments. Let it be a natural discovery and guide with the sense of intent from the experience that is attained through practice. Master this and then one can apply the real knowledge to ones advancement.

Is there any situation or thing to which the Yin Yang does not apply to?

Yin and yang are in everything and everywhere. There is yin in yang and there is yang in yin. There yang in yang and there is yin in yin. What does it matter? All that matters is that there is Tao. The Tao is not friend to either. It is what is. It is what is cause the Tao is the Tao. The Tao is everything so it applys to everything. Yin and yang just follow. Yin and yang are the natural manifestations of the Tao cause we are the observable universe. It is just a illusion of the one reality. The one truth. Tao.

There is no need to be worried about what is happy and sad. Up and down. Left or right. Yin and yang. The dualiaty only exists in our minds not in the tao. When anger arrives allow it to come. When happines arrives allow it to come. And so on. Allow it to come then go within your awareness without attachment then the balance happens naturally all by it's self. Without effort. The awareness is just the awareness. Much like the Tao is just the tao. Brain matter over complicates things. Allow your mind to be free without the attachment of right and wrong. Up and down. Yin and yang. Just simply awareness. So easy but yet so hard. Good luck!!!

Hahaha the way is Tao! So this is taoist. Anything outside of this is not Tao. Simple. So what is not Taoist is in fact being a narrow minded human component focused on a grain of sand instead of the whole beach in all it's gory. If you catch my drift! Hahahahaha! The way is so clear no need to be, just look into the looking glass and things will appear without the use of thought. Hahaha! be happy all!