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15 hours ago, Antares said:

 

Alright, but you should be more precise about your ideas of how to nurture these qualities. We need to consider such notions as xin and Xing, what is the mind, what is the Spirit and where  stillness and All-inclusiveness come from, how to nurture these qualities. I agree with you that we all have it already within us but the matter is in real quality of it. But many people who read DDJ for example, think that one needs just to relax and flow (or follow) with Dao and these qualities you are talking about will just reveal themselves. That what I disagree with. But partially I agree with you since we should cultivate these qualities within us. But without certain methods it wont work and I wanted to stress the importance of correct methods at the "laying the foundation" stage

My aim was not to present methods to nurture these qualities. It was an attempt to bring attention to them and the essence of cultivation. 

 

I do not disagree that methods can help in the foundation stage. The general message of the post was that methods can only take us so far. If one were looking for a "how to get started" guide, then this post is probably not the right fit.

 

 

Hence, let me clarify again. Methods will not necessarily create the essence, but the essence will eventually create the method.

 

I might make post to share methods. However, I think that this is dangerous, because in many cases, the method presented can either truly help or great limit the practitioner. If I were to share my methods, they would need much time and effort to be reviewed.

 

 

14 hours ago, Antares said:

It is not the same internal system. We all have channels but Indian and Chinese systems look differently at it. And this is not good idea to mix them. The dantien means "the field of elixir" and this is not the manipura chakra. Chakra is just a spot where channels intersect and the state of chakra depends on the state of channels. That's all. But what is "elixir" in Indian system and what is "field"? They have not only different terminology but their approaches differ. Indian system has been corrupted greatly so I would not use its terminology at all.   It is just pointless 

You have misunderstood. The "body and energy system" is constant. I did not imply that different systems should be mixed. All I said is that they are related. Learning from one system, Indian for example, and its fundamentals can bring greater understanding of the human system as a whole. Greater comprehension can then be utilized for training in another system. 

5 hours ago, Master Logray said:

Stilling the mind is the centre of the issue.    But chakra and dan tiens are not mind constructs.  They have physical locations and properties.     Working with the mind alone is seldom successful from experiences across traditions and centuries.   Working with the body (like chakra and dan tien) usually produce more concrete results, yet these cultivation methods lead a person away from stilling the mind. 

They work in tandem, mind, body, energy, spirit. One cannot stabilize at higher intensities without the other. A still mind is a great resource to have when working on the body, as one will make significantly more progress in comparison. 

 

If the method leads a person from stilling the mind, that means that either the cultivation method is flawed or the mind is not stable enough to handle the process.

11 hours ago, Antares said:

 

Chakras have no relation to dantien. All people have chakras but a minor amount of them have LDT. Also ordinary people dont have LDT. It must be cultivated. And this is not a psychological trick or anything of this sort. One cant get it just with intent or by practising celibacy. But celibacy helps to keep heart-mind more centered and balanced. That' true. This is just preriquisite for building the foundation stage.

 

This is post heaven qi you breath in. No real dantien, no transformation here. But it might be good for general health support.  

 

I would disagree with you on that Chakras have no relations to the dantian. Although they are terminology from different systems, they are two different ways of looking at the same internal system. For example, The manipakura when unlocked can draw in energy; it is also the energy center of the entire system. One of the dantian functions is to store and refine energies for the system as a gathering point. 

 

I agree that the LDT is not only formed from celibacy. From my personal experience, practicing celibacy provides the resources and opportunity for LDT development. For example, sexual energy is very potent, so one can refine this energy for the dantian, vitalize and increase the overall intensity of the system, discipline the mind and body, and push for new breakthroughs.

12 hours ago, Antares said:

 

I dont know your method but it sounds like new age approach. That means a method which one thinks should work but it is not real attainment. But I personally understand what you are talking about but I just disagree with it. Also any authentic daoist will disagree with this too. Read the article below: 

https://www.goldenelixir.com/jindan/wm_shangde_xiade.html

 

So what you sugget is non doing but having inferior virture. This does not work this way. New Age authors who publish books these days suggest such methods. But these are just wrong methods which wont work for anyone without authentic daoist cultivation for "building the foundation". Building the foundation is the first important step in daoist internal arts which one cant skip and it implies very specific methods and internal transformations (of energy)  

 

I apologize if I was not clear in my post. Let me clarify a few things:

1. I offer no methods. I only seek to discuss the nature of things.

2. I do not suggest that these qualities are missing from within us. In fact, I stated that we simply need to come in touch with these qualities. In many cases of societies today, people have lost touch with the intricacies within. Hence, this post intended to bring attention to these particular qualities.

3. Non-doing. I am aware of the philosophy. Hence, I mentioned "Divine Intelligence" and "return to one's true nature."

4. One seeks by not seeking. I do not disagree with this. 

Friend, I do not disagree with refinement. However, I think that the process is reversed, refinement then "control." Without refining it, utilizing a "persona" will create much greater friction throughout one's daily life, hindering one from going through life vibrantly at full potential.

9 hours ago, Antares said:

This is new age approach. These qualities must be cultivated. The method you are talking about is not the daoist approach. Daoist consider such methods to be wrong methods. 

Interesting, can you elaborate what is my method?

8 hours ago, Maddie said:

 

 

This does not answer the question of what method is used to "find and nurture" these qualities. 

There are numerous ways to do so. One can do so by simply sitting still. Everything will come along once one can be completely still. 

 

Answering your question by giving you any longer a response won't do you justice. In fact, I am afraid that my answer may limit your potential and perspective. 

 

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

First control the physical desires.

 

Then control the emotional desires

 

Then control the thoughts.

 

At that point the human persona (mask) can be still.

 

In that stillness of the persona, the Cosmos can manifest Itself in the human heart.

 

 

 

While these desires and thoughts need to be managed, they must not be "controlled" but liberated. If one controls their thoughts, they will end up limiting their perspective to what is out there, with a limited perspective of what should or shouldn't be thoughts. We must go past desires and thoughts. Once we are past them, we will naturally be able to manage them. 

 

5 hours ago, Antares said:

But what is your method to attain the "Stillness, Emptiness, and All-Inclusiveness"?

 

 

These qualities are already within everyone of us. We just need to find and nurture them.

1 minute ago, Bindi said:

 

But the cosmos is just so cosmic, personally I’d prefer a right relationship with myself down here on earth which leads to a right relationship with my true/original Self. 

 

It depends on each person and his or her path.

I felt the need to make this post, because I feel that in the next coming years, many things will rise to a more intense level, requiring a higher level of awareness and a stable mental state for survival. Of course, this also means an environment that is more suitable for cultivation.

 

So please take my words with a grain of salt and use whatever that can help you reach your peak of existence and comprehend the truths of the cosmos, and do not allow any nonsense to limit your path. If you just want a simple healthy and vibrant life, please do not take this seriously at all. 

 

Without Stillness, Emptiness, and All-inclusiveness, one cannot cultivate to the highest peak. Thus, they are the very foundation of cultivation.

 

In Stillness, Emptiness, and All-Inclusiveness, one can return to one's true nature and thus comprehend the Dao. The deeper one's comprehension of the Dao is, the higher potential height one can reach. This sounds like something out of a martial arts novel, but I can guarantee that this is truly the case. In fact, the so-called "cultivation methods" out there are written full of flaws, with some exceptions with less flaws. Simply, because there is no way to represent the Dao, the way of the cosmos, through words. Hence, I say take my words with a grain of salt, as less than 5% of the words may be of true essence. Following a method may point you in the right direction, but in the end, it is the essence and comprehension of the Dao that matters the most. 

 

No one can impart it all to us. Perhaps some more than the others.

 

However, certain melodies and sounds, like mantras, can do the job better, as vibrations are much closer to the Dao than many "flawed" languages. In fact, there are particular notes/melodies that can open one's chakra points. Hence, certain languages designed to mimic the cosmos with sounds rather than to make communication more convenient may be of greater benefit. 

 

Back to Stillness, Emptiness, and All-Inclusiveness, one can connect with that which is called "Divine Intelligence." This is the intelligence that allows life to prosper and die, operate, and transform.  It is tied to one's intuition or whatever people called the higher mind, profound and undefined. Because it is undefined, it cannot be described with words that limit its meaning, and thoughts are thus pointless in this respect. However, grasping and aligning oneself with this intelligence can allow one to begin "tapping into" the dimensions beyond oneself. 

Why are Stillness, Emptiness, and All-Inclusiveness crucial for this?

 

Inside each of us is a "still core," that which is linked to everything and is foundation of our entire being. It is the same thing that makes up the cosmos. In order to reach a significant height, we must first start from our foundation and build from it. Just like building the infrastructure of a building, we must stabilize our entire existence from the core before taking any further steps. 

 

A full cup cannot be filled any further. We must let go of all nonsense before we can begin to accept the truths and all the immense intensities that come with them. The higher the level of cultivation, the greater the responsibility. Likewise, one can think of emptiness as "mimicking" the cosmos, as majority is empty space. In cultivation practices, a quality of emptiness pulls in energies, hence the term "empty force."

 

All-Inclusiveness is as the term suggest, breaking the boundary and expanding our existence. This is, in a way, a by-product of the first two factors. Once one is able to see beyond the body and mind as oneself, this is when one's true journey really begins. Embracing that which is beyond our vessels is a must for one to connect with the cosmos and comprehend the Dao. As a result, one is able to gather qi through the spirit. 

 

Hence, although these are brief descriptions that do not even touch upon their true significance, one can more easily align oneself with the cosmos with Emptiness, Stillness, and All-Inclusiveness.

 

So, why is comprehension of Dao necessary for cultivation to the peak? It is simple. If you do not know how to drive a car, you will likely drive in circles or end up nowhere. If you do not know which direction to go, you will not reach where you want to be. However, being lost is not bad thing. In fact, being lost means that you are unchained, untied to anything, and thus have taken the first step towards your goal. It is the prerequisite to touching upon the Dao. The Dao means "the way of the cosmos," so being guided by the Dao, you will walk down your path, given that you have the will and spirit to do so. 

 

This is not the whole foundation, but everything is built on top of Emptiness, Stillness, and All-Inclusiveness. And this foundation will be continuously be developed and tempered the whole way, amidst the chaotic waves of the cosmos. But once you have found your path and decide to walk it, look forward and must never falter, especially at higher levels where risks are increasingly higher. 

 

If you want, digest this knowledge before doing anything. Please ask questions if you have any. Please make suggestions if you can think of any. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

 

It may be that, for now, in this solar system, right relationship is much more important than pushing energy

Lairg is on the right track. The relationship with the cosmos is crucial for establishing the connection and aligning oneself. It is like the idea of golden egg or the hen; with the hen comes the golden eggs. Energy will come on its own.


I do not mean to offend or criticize anyone, but please understand that 95% of our conversations are complete nonsense, with less than 5% of them containing the true essence of the Dao if we are lucky. We must not allow these distractions to blind us from walking our paths if we are truly committed to walking on the cultivation path.

13 hours ago, WhoDo said:

Hello fellow practitioners,

I am curious as to any tips or techniques one might have for someone looking to focus on the belt channel?  

What is a Belt channel? 

Not publicly, as it will do more harm than good without proper guidance. 

And it is more of a process than a technique, because it is different for everyone. However, I am open to share details for specific questions here.

I think so? But I am not qualified to answer this question.

I can tell you more, except the more personal topics for now.

 

For your third question, yes and no.

 

Visualization is an excellent tool if it is only limited to the mind, but ineffective to anything beyond the mind. It allows you to create these wonderful scenarios, but does not offer anything useful in practice... unless you are able to connect your mind and spirit to the cosmos.

 

It sounds a bit nonsensical at this point, but bear with me. Once you are able to access the cosmos through the established connection, you can intuitively direct energy into your vessel, like osmosis, if you can handle it. The hard part is all the work behind opening and establishing this connection.

 

 

I refined the LDT through intaking Qi from the cosmos and condensing it into an extremely dense core smaller than a grain of salt first. And then I worked my way upwards from there.

 

Although I opened the dantian and started with yin/yang qi, it didn't make much progress. Progress started happening after I was able to draw Qi from the cosmos.

 

 

 

I am aware of Microcosmic orbit. This cycle will continue to happen for a long time. 

However, I would like to know the changes to the core once one condenses it further.

 

If I missed something, I apologize if I am not understanding correctly.

Hi everyone! I would love to start a conversation to share our cultivation journeys, if you wish to.

How are your cultivation paths so far?

For me personally, I have refined a core at my LDT and working on developing it to the next level. My vital/physical functions have all seen many improvements, and I am able to produce heavy vibrations from my core. 

Haha, it is nothing compared to the real masters out there.

 

I think I have ways to go before making substantial changes to the core. I could be wrong, but based on my intuition and experiences, substantial changes happen when a sufficient amount of qi/energy is condensed. In other words, that is when "breakthroughs" happen. I should be close to improving another minor level but am far from a major level. 

 

The next minor level should have nearly double the intensity. However, I am not entirely sure what to expect at the next major level, which should take until the end of the year potentially or more.

 

I would love to hear some insights from everyone.

And how about you good sir. How are you doing?

Hi everyone! I would love to start a conversation to share our cultivation journeys, if you wish to.

How are your cultivation paths so far?

For me personally, I have refined a core at my LDT and working on developing it to the next level. My vital/physical functions have all seen many improvements, and I am able to produce heavy vibrations from my core. 

Hello everyone! I am a newcomer here and a cultivator. I have known about this site for around a decade, but I decided to join to discuss the Dao, help others, and learn more. 

 

I would love to know more about you all, and I hope to share our journeys so far on our paths.

Hello all! I am a newcomer to this site and a cultivator. I have known this site for a long time, but I decided to join to communicate the Dao, help others, and learn more.