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A few months back, I made a few posts about the foundation of Cultivation: Stillness, Emptiness and Inclusiveness.

Throughout my practice, I realized that I had brought too little attention to that which ties everything together because it seemed too obvious, and this vital flaw may very well hinder one's future progress. So allow me to fill in the missing part of my foundation post:

 

The make-or-break in one's foundation is the Consciousness.

 

Sitting still and being empty are great, but without a high enough level of Consciousness, one will not be able to access the next levels or dimensions in Cultivation, simply because one has not truly tapped into one's true source. There is massive intelligence that exists within every cell/atom of our body, that which we cannot truly begin to fathom. Without enough Consciousness, one can only look at the steps ahead without being able to walk them.

 

One will continued to be trapped within the chains of limitation of the mind/body vessel and its compulsions. However, once one has taken charge of everything within, then one can move forward without any hesitation.

 

In addition, without a strong Consciousness, one will likely suffer from the high intensity of energy that has been cultivated already. Hence, one will not only be unable to move forward but also suffer pains from the inability to handle higher energy states.

 

From my experience, raising my level of consciousness and consciously practicing has increased the efficiency of energy absorption multiple folds. Cleansing my mind and body and creating the necessary conditions for advancement have never been easier. 

 

How does one raise one's Consciousness level? There are many ways. Firstly, Consciousness levels will naturally rise in meditation that involves stillness and melding with the Cosmos. Consistently observing that which is happening in the world and within will also help. However, the main challenge is how to be "actively" conscious, as weird as that may sound. The difference between being conscious and not being conscious is whether one has decided to take one's life into one's own hands, to be aware. It sounds easy to do, but one must truly be willing to take a leap of faith. Why? Because truly taking charge of one's life involves moving beyond the logical process of the mind and the natural compulsions of the body. The karmic nature of this vessel is a very tightly bound.

 

Therefore, Yoga is a great way to enhance Consciousness and become truly Conscious. One will be able to consciously tap into Chitta, the boundless intelligence within. Then, one can create a Consciousness field that has a strong foundation, continuously expands to involve the Cosmos, and supports one in whatever path one decides to take.

5 minutes ago, Antares said:

 

Alright, but as we are in daoist discussion thread I reflect over daoist methods of cultivation. As in a previous discussion I stressed the importance of no mixing approaches of different schools and methods. I mean in general it is incorrect to consider yogic and daoist methods as one common method of cultivation. They differ and should be mixed by no means. The Daoist method of cultivation is very narrow in terms of its precision, clarity, and sequence of stages. Any deviation from the rules leads to very undesirable consequences because the balance of yin and yang is a very delicate matter, as is the energy of the body as a whole

Again, there is no method in the post. Only a discussion of the natural way. In the Dao, there is no distinction, yogic or daoist, as there are only the natural laws. Attempting to discuss the Dao with a limited mindset is already a step towards failure. 

You are not wrong that cultivation requires precision, clarity, and order. Indeed, if one deviates from the natural laws, one will experience potentially immense suffering. Hence, I would like to think that we are on the same page. But if my qualifications are not meeting your "daoist method," then I shall not post any further on this thread. 

I wish you all the best.

6 minutes ago, Antares said:

 

I only respond to what you post here in this thread and share my thoughts with you and others. Yes, I agree with you that stillness is the key and I share my understanding about the root of where the stillness is born from. If you want to grow beautiful tree with strong stem first thing you need to learn how to plant it and how to cultivate it right. Also re: balance what is your understanding of it and where does it come from? Can you share your toughts on it? 

As for my personal experience I would not share it because it is too personal thing. You can consider me as a researcher of daoist cultivation methods.    

I respect your thoughts. It is that we cannot speak with utmost certainty, as words fail to express the nature of the natural laws. It may also do many injustice if we do not present our knowledge as accurately as possible despite the many flaws in our language; hence I stated to read with a grain of salt to filter all the nonsense.

 

My understanding comes from learning from gurus and personal cultivation. All of my knowledge comes from my cultivating experience, what works and does not work. In practice, I have faced numerous obstacles, whether they are physical, mental, or energetic, to which I had to find solutions for. Walking the wrong path will bring immense suffering to the point of madness, while walking the proper path will bring bliss and joy, so I am sensitive enough to determine the byproducts of my decisions.

 

At higher intensity levels, these obstacles likewise become more intense and require greater solutions, such as deeper levels of stillness or inclusivness, etc. I wish to help others unleash their potential and walk further on their paths, but I do not wish them greater unnecessary suffering.

13 hours ago, Antares said:

Again, you are describing the Northern path of meditations. It's worth keeping in mind that stillness and calmness are Yin. Cultivating only Yin can easily create an imbalance in energy. This way of cultivation can lead to excessive consumption of Yang Qi. It's a very common mistake made by many practitioners

You are not looking at the bigger picture. Stillness is a quality of the overall system that allows for stability and balance. Without stability, one cannot cultivate to higher heights or intensities. You overestimate your understanding of the system, as its capabilities far surpass that which you can imagine. One can only understand the outer layer if one primarily looks at Yin and Yang. 

Let me ask you a question. What is your cultivation, level of intensity, and state of being? 

4 hours ago, WujitoTao said:

Regarding your concerne about building QI. I think building is the same as Storing no ?  WHy do you see a difference here ?  Some says you build(or store) first  and then you can lead the chi in the body..  

From my point of vue,  in order to "feel" the chi, you must do quite a long period of diligent practice..  i remember when i could feel it but anyway, you are not sure whether it is your imagination more than a real thing. 

As far as i remember,  Master Yang J. M., advised not to separate the two phases.  When you store the QI to an abundant level,  it then becomes more dangerous to make it circulate by doing mistakes.  He then advise to practice the circulation even with a small amount of QI.  Of course at first you should learn how to "feel" it.

 

Indeed, there should not be a distinction in gathering and storing Qi as this is one collective process, as storing it is not simply non-movement. It is like a smaller water stream following into a larger one. It is all interconnected. Hence, exercises like Tai Chi that help improve circulation and align oneself to the natural flow are beneficial.

 

I can attest that when one stores Qi to an abundant level, it gets very intense to the point that if one does not properly manage the energies, one will face difficulties, tensions, excesses, etc. However, one should not casually circulate energy. Instead, it should first be stabilized through stillness, meditation and steady movements that ground the Qi before allowing it to naturally flow through the body, MCO etc.

8 hours ago, waterdrop said:

How legit are youtube qigong videos ?   how beneficial are they ?          can they do harm in some way (even small one) ?        are they beneficial qi wise ?  energetically wise ?           are they just good low intensity exercise and that is it  (not "Real qigong") nothing more ?   

in short - how beneficial are they really ?  how far can you take it with them ? 

Just so what im trying to understand is more clear :  I am thinking this all in comparison to damo mitchell teaching for example , or stuff written in this forum ...  for example on how you cant store qi in the lower dantian before  you "build"  it first  .... yet in many of this videos they talk about drawing qi to the dantian and storing it in the dantian , which according to other teachings its usless and by that view point this youtube videos are misleading

examples :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCicH-iz1oU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmmNWj9YtAw&t=24s

And also wondering about known sets stuff like 8 brocades and shibashi  etc  (that are also on youtube)  ... and how beneficial are they  (cause they say the same things and claimed benifits as the videos above  - stuff like storing qi in lower dantian and stuff like improve eyesight or improve liver and kidney functions etc)  ?

 

Hi, here to help clarify some things. The videos are simply movements and breathing methods, so they have certain benefits if people only follow them. This is a simple form of Qi Gong that is designed not too intense for basic practice. As for how far it will take you, these techniques will likely not do much more.

 

When they say drawing Qi, what they mean is drawing the awareness and Yi(will) in that direction. Wherever the focus goes, energy will follow. 

 

3 hours ago, waterdrop said:

As far as i remember when studying online with damo mitchell course ,  you need to build the lower dantian container to store your qi in ,  and before doing that you cant really store qi cause you dont have a real container for it  ....  which makes me doubt the legitimacy of any teacher who claims you store qi just by doing a certain movement towards the LDT area ...   and even videos i did and i felt nice and even felt tingling in hands or feeling lightness still when they say you do this movment to store qi  makes me really doubt the teachers (=the people making the video)

One must look at the body as a whole energy system. It can store Qi essentially everywhere, as there are 100's of energy nodes. Specifically, the LDT or Intenstinal area is designed to do absorb and refine energy. However, as the LDT normally has not been activated or specifically used, it has not been "stretched," so its capacity and functions should be at a lower level. It will be difficult to "store Qi" within and fill it up, but these exercises do in a sense gather a little bit of energy and help to slowly unlock the Dantian.

3 hours ago, salaam123 said:

What is the chi, that you can see as like  water in someones eyes(not physical water)? I think it is housed in the midsection, and if you don't have a chi ball in your midsection to house it, some of it can be extinguished with antipsychotic medicine, or by watching porn(these are the two I have experience with).

 

I still have some of it, even though I'm on medication, but a strange thing happened, that when I got paranoid that my friend has made a trap to kill me, that night I fell to the urge of porn and masturbation and then my paranoia went away after that.

 

Before I thought that my ruined energybody may be the source of my mental illness, but could it be that this chi is circulating ncorrectly and it causes schizhoprenia?

If one's mental state is not stable and still, one should not be messing with the energies in the first place. Even if one had a stable mind, one should not be casually circulating energy like that. 

 

From your situation, it is difficult to know the exact cause, but one apparent issue is overthinking. It is important to understand that you should not jump to conclusions, as they will not do you any good. The reason is that the conclusion is not the solution but just another thought that can lead you astray. 

 

The first thing one should do is sit still, allow the mind to clear all the nonsense, and relax the body. The more one focuses or rejects on the the issues and causes, the more they will grow. So one must focus on becoming still and aware enough to allow the self to settle down and "become" the solution.

Albert Einstein said, “You cannot solve a problem with the same mind that created it.”

36 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Currently i'm going down the rabbit hole of "esoteric" christianity and seeing where that will take me. So far it's been mindlowing

 Sorry, I am not sure what that means. 

You can take it whichever direction you want. You must listen to your heart to figure it out. 

11 hours ago, Salvijus said:

I feel like i've practiced emptiness for a long time and recently added all inclusiveness practice of prayer/presence of love snd glory. What's the next stage then?

The question is what are you cultivating for?

5 hours ago, Neirong said:

 

You may practice simple qigong and simple meditation without supervision/teacher. Yoga, cardio, pilates, e.t.c. It may not be the best idea for long-term progress, but not dangerous.

I do not recommend touching third-eye practices with the same carefree approach.

There are few people in the world who have a third eye working and open.

And a lot of things that can go wrong and cause lasting and debilitating injuries.
Nobody will be able to heal or fix you if that happens.

Neirong has a point. It is truly dangerous territory. One must have a extremely stable foundation, mind body etc. The vast amount of information and intensity from opening the third eye can easily overwhelm a practitioner.

 

But if one truly is truly stable and still and has made the necessary sacrifices in life to achieve this, one can open the third eye naturally through practicing stillness and emptiness to the highest degree. 

4 hours ago, Lazgrane said:

 

Because since each person's life trajectory is different, dealing with your own past is a deeply personal matter that you yourself may not know how to handle, let alone expecting someone else to give you the answer.

 

This isn't wrong.

2 hours ago, stirling said:

 

Methods are crutches in this case. While you may use watching the breath, putting the attention on an object, or some other method to learn to rest in the stillness of Open Awareness, eventually all methods are dropped. 

 

Stirling is on the right track. 

Here are some things I have learned from condensing a Qi core, and please read with grain of salt, as these words contain less than 5% of the true essence of the natural way. If one is not prepared for higher intensities of life, please disregard this. Also, please practice care, prioritize wellbeing and fitness, and see things the way things are with utmost awareness/consciousness, as most people cannot handle higher intensities without conditioning. Finally, please do not let these words limit your potential. These are simply just words, not truth. They are only a guidepost pointing in a certain direction. 

 

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The various methods to begin cultivation are many, and some may help one start cultivating, but they alone cannot take the practitioners to higher heights, or else the practitioners will stagnate in practice. One can breathe in Qi, consciously run MCO, bring Qi to the Dantian, and combine Yin and Yang Qi, but it may all be for naught. If one is sensitive enough, one can feel all the unnecessary stress that comes from unrefined methods. One might even kill or limit oneself in the process.

 

Is there even a point for one to cultivate without the possibility for the peak? So, this presents the question: why is this the case?

 

The method is that there is no method. The true method is that which cannot be defined. However, that doesn't mean that it cannot be comprehended and perceived. The only way to do so is to unlock and tap into one's divine intelligence/consciousness. One's divine intelligence is the "coding" that runs one's life processes without one having to consciously do anything. It is also same as the source of this cosmos. This intelligence can likewise be updated and improved by the cosmos, like a cloud server updating a software." Hence, to come back full circle, cultivation is the process of developing this "micro-cosmos" into its greatest potential. 

 

So, understand that the human system has an excellent ability to emulate its target. If the target is the cosmos, it will become the cosmos.

 

So, how does one tap into this divine intelligence? There are numerous ways, but from my previous post, I stated three core aspects of cultivation: Stillness, Emptiness, and All-inclusiveness. 

 

When one is still, one gradually returns to one's true nature. For many people who have not returned to a tranquil state, it is important to sit down and be still. It may seem simple, but in the grand scheme of things, stillness can extend to many deeper levels. To keep things simple, one aims for the following:

 

A still mind, heart, body and energy.

 

When one becomes still, one is able to gain greater awareness of one's inner workings, the blood flow, heart beat, breathe, etc. Stillness is very important because high awareness is necessary to "see" what is truly behind the living process. At the center of our being is the "still core." Being still aligns one with the natural laws of the cosmos, making it easier to also perceive and connect with the "strings" or "webs" of the cosmos that connect everything and link to the still core. 

So what does it mean to be still? There is no need to do anything. Simply be. One is naturally relaxed and loose, releasing tensions in the body and mind. One's heart is cleared and pure, like a mirror. One's mind is calm and empty. One's energy is vibrant and tranquil, like a flowing river. One is like a stone in the vast world, experiencing nature in full. As one becomes still, everything will gradually fall in place, resulting in a Blissful experience.

 

At first, it may be a tough experience for many because one must face all of which that is an obstacle to one's stillness, which may include tensions, obsessions/habits, thoughts. It may be important to discipline the mind and body throughout the day and increase awareness over time. 

 

When one is still, it will also be easier to be empty. 

 

In Emptiness, one essentially emulates, or becomes, the true nature of the cosmos, Nothingness or Emptiness. One's inner system will not only align with the natural laws but also naturally refine all the impurity or nonsense and unclog the system, conditioning a vessel to be more fit for cultivation. In addition, Emptiness has an attribute that naturally attracts or pulls in energy. The emptier one is, the more space is available and energy one can pull in. 

 

Emptiness is nothingness. Empty mind, Empty body, Empty self. One is empty space, void. This happens naturally over time. Likewise, one will face obstacles that prevent one from emptiness. 

 

Stillness and Emptiness stabilize and refine one's foundation. All-inclusiveness is necessary to consciously shatter boundaries and connect to the main server.

 

This aspect has great potential and is a loaded subject, but can also be very dangerous, but so can the other two aspects. One's sense of self may feel "threatened" and feel uncomfortable, but in reality, one's sense of self is moving beyond the mind and body. In the process, one begins to see not only the vessel but also that which is beyond to some extent as oneself. As a result, one is able to gradually grasp more of the cosmos and its natural laws, unlocking one's true potential over time. This principle is important to touching upon higher dimensions, energies, and all kinds of esoteric processes.

 

These three aspects are not really in any kind of specific order, but work in tandem. Once one reaches a high enough intensity practicing them, one will begin to feel and tap into the divine intelligence in oneself and naturally implement it in cultivation. One can then pave the way forward and do what is necessary to walk forward to the peak.

 

I can provide insights on cultivating Dantian core throughout the process, but the way ahead and the steps must be taken, not given. In addition, here are two more critical core principles that one must consider:

1. Never falter
2. That which one focuses on will grow

Faltering at high levels is like a speeding race car coming to a complete stop. It will have heavy, negative consequences in all levels. Look forward and be connected with the still core.

 

What is focused on with one's consciousness will grow without a doubt. This is undeniable law of the cosmos. Decide wisely what you invest your focus into. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Chang dao ling said:

This what li honzi founder of falun gong Qigong also said. He said a person can only heal patient when he has supernatural powers he also said even having a strong supernatural powers sometimes he can only postpone illness or transmute into other types of misfortune 

No, even when a person has supernatural powers, that is not a validation to healing others. A person who utilizes his/her abilities for healing with simply powers as the basis will make no further progress in the future.

 

7 minutes ago, Chang dao ling said:

Is it possible having a normal chi core in upper dantian. For the people meditate on Upper dantian?

This is incredibly dangerous for many reasons. 

 

First, the LDT is the very foundation of the system, where energies are heated and refined. Creating such high intensities at the UDT without the foundation or rooting will destabilize the whole system and potentially lead to various mental obstacles.  

Second, the concept of a core from my experience is connected to the energy center of the body, which is in the LDT behind the abdomen and acts as a center of gravity that balances the system. Condensing a core anywhere else seems significantly more difficult.

8 hours ago, Pak_Satrio said:

Here you go: https://authenticneigong.com/

 

Teacher’s name is Rudi, he’s my teacher too. The next seminar will be in a few months so you will have to wait until then but it’s worth it.

 

Until then you can practice stillness and abdominal breathing.

 

I should mention that he teaches neigong, not neidan

Interesting. It seems that he is a good neigong teacher. 

 

However, the art of healing others with energies is in itself a truly dangerous practice in 99% of case. Not only does it require the strictest conditions and the highest level of inclusiveness, but also a great understanding of karma. It is good to teach others how to heal themselves, but if we attempt to heal others and interfere with their karma, in majority of the cases, it will hurt both parties more than help.

On 3/20/2023 at 12:33 AM, papasaturn said:

Months ago I had a great Zhan Zhuang session where I feel like I unblocked something deep in my lower stomach. At first it felt like it was deflating then it felt like burning warmth deeper than I’ve ever felt (like where one might feel hunger when fasting for a day or two). I remember being quite warm afterwards despite the weather being cooler as well as a deep connection to my past (had many insights into my early upbringing/traumas etc.) I was also crazy hungry that night.

I haven’t been able to reproduce that experience but sometimes I’ll randomly feel that burning in my stomach again when I am very relaxed lying down when (I assume) some kind of stagnation is being removed (food, emotions, etc). There is always the theme of burning/warmth and a deep hollowness. Like a spiritual fire burning through something.

 

Could someone help me understand what’s happening here from a qigong perspective?

Emptiness or warmth in the abdominal area as a result of energy practice can be a symptom of the (partial) activation of the Dantian. When there is enough intensity or development in the energy center, it may become more active than in normal states. Hence, cultivating the Dantian is essentially increasing the energy intensity there. 

After the energy in the Dantian rises above its normal intensity, the potential energy capacity has essentially risen, thereby improving vital functions such as digestion. Also, as the capacity increases, there will be more "space" to fill with energy, which creates an "empty" feeling. It will naturally seek more energy, like a pothole on a rainy day, so energies will gather there creating a warm feeling. 

11 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Wow this the answer i am looking for thanks.What is regular qi core? 

From my experience, a Qi core forms when a sufficient energy condenses into a single, miniscule seed in the Dantian. One prerequisite would of course be a field of Qi that has reached a peak saturation point. Forming it also requires a certain level of stability within and comprehension of the natural laws. I think the best way to describe transition from a field of Qi to a single condensed seed is thus: a substantial change just like the transition of one phase of matter to another.

 

The seed is then developed over time, growing and eventually forming its own pressure field of Qi. The level of the core and field would depend on its density.

8 hours ago, Taoist Texts said:

sure: those who talk about neidan do not know what they are talking about. they fantasize instead

True. We can only theorize based on the natural laws, unless we have someone who has reached that level.

On 3/21/2023 at 3:19 AM, Conradom said:

I've notice that my sexual energy is really high. I'm assuming it's because of all the energy work I have been doing lately through tai chi and standing meditation. It's something that I never felt before, and it's a bit uncomfortable. Which exercises are recommended to balance the sexual energy?

 

Thanks!

 

Many of these posts are interesting, but I think that a more practical answer might help.

 

When one starts doing energy work, it is natural that one may see an improvement in one's sexual energy, as one's awareness grows and blockages starts clearing up. The system will start feeling more vibrant, and so will sexual energy. Understand that it is very normal, but now you might need an outlet. Sexual energy is very potent, so it must be refined and utilized for some purpose, digested back into the system, or released through ejaculation. You must consider which is your goal. 

 

1. The first thing I would recommend is stillness meditation. When one is still and empty, it becomes much easier to calm the system and the mind. Naturally, the sexual energy will also be refined and flow upwards, bringing greater vitality and exuberance, perhaps even possible spiritual breakthroughs if you wish.

 

2. Go work out or do something to tire yourself out; drive yourself towards some purpose. Your body will naturally burn the energy to reenergize you towards something you are passionate about. When you are dead tired at night, you will not think too much about sex.

 

3. Cultivate the Dantian. Condense the energy into your lower Dantian. 

 

4. Go jerk off if you really do not have any use of sexual energy. The recommended healthy timeframe is every 2-3 weeks. The longer the more health benefits.

 

 

Hi.

One way this relationship can be looked at is that Jing, or vital essence, can be refined into Qi or be used to enhance Qi and Shen, the spirit. Vital essence is extremely potent, sexual energy for an example, so it is a valuable resource that can be integrated into the Dantian to help form a dense core of Qi. Vital essence can also act as stimulant to supercharge the natural state or development of the spirit.

 

The Golden Core stage is an advanced level that I cannot say I have much experience to describe it. Essentially, it is a core that has gained a level of divinity. In other words, it contains a denser essence of that which is the basis of all life and has high intelligence. Hence, a Golden Core cultivator can easily live much longer because the core acts as a "energy factory" that refines and absorbs energy and supplies vibrant Qi to the vessel.

 

To form a Golden Core, the amount of energy required would be massive, exponentially greater than the amount necessary for a regular Qi core. Just having such a potent thing in the human system will require great mental/physical stability and tolerance, opened and stretched energy pathways to handle all the energy, and a profound understanding of the Dao to reach this level. Otherwise, the person will be dead before they can even stabilize such a core.

3 hours ago, Antares said:

 

The false one has no location because it is not dantien for there is no elixir. People think that they have built it but this is just water/fire channels harmonization. Good for health and balance though. The true one' location is between navel and ming men. 

 

I can support that the Dantian core can be formed between the navel and mingmen. 

 

I think what they might be describing as the Dantian is naturally formed energy spaces in the body. They allow for the creation of energy core.

3 hours ago, Antares said:

Yes, they are constant. But I did not see the correct channels description in Indian system. And they work differently with them from the very beginning. I mean Indian system does not imply correct practical routine of transformation and even in building the LDT. And i totally disagree with their methods that they offer these days. I dont know how it was in the far past  but I did not see the term of Kundalini in Patanjali sutras for example. In a work of Indian yogi of 10th century I could find the term of Kundalini but it has different meaning than they put forward now. More over that they practical aspects are quite doubtful and even harmful. That's why I dont see a reason to take something from their system and apply to practice. In general this is a typical mistake of many beginners to mix systems and theories. It is not desirableto practise more than one sytem even within Daoist system but yo want to mix theories of both systems. It is better to undesrtand one system at first but it must be authentic system of course. The contemporary yoga system is not authentic. Period

I see your point of view. Thank you for sharing. 

 

I think that what I have learned from certain Indian gurus about the consciousness and life process allowed me to enhance my awareness and spirit and cultivate my Dantian core further.

 

How is your progress in cultivation so far?

12 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

It is not for me to proclaim status.  Those with inner eyes can see me.  Those that have learned inner measures can measure me.

 

The five electricities can be useful.

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

As far as I have seen manifested Existence operates in three phases:

 

- learning to manage energy and intelligence

- learning relationships so that the aspects of Existence can fit together to form greater entities/systems

- using those greater entities/systems to achieve higher purpose.

 

It seems that this solar system is in the second stage so that right relationship is the primary task.   When sufficient species are in right relationship (internally and externally), the collective (solar system) may be strong enough to withstand being used by Divine Intent.

 

 

Interesting. Would you mind sharing your progress so far in your cultivation journey?

16 hours ago, EFreethought said:

 

One of my instructors said that people do not start out w/dan tiens, but that we create them by doing qigong/meditation.

 

I think it depends on which definition of the Dantian that is being used.