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Recently I had a student seek me out. They told me they studied this many years with this teacher, and this many years with that teacher, and they self studied this course, and that book, and this video series, and that. They were trying to convince me how well educated they were on the topic. They were very dismayed when I explained that all of that puts them at a disadvantage compared to someone with no experience in the matter at all. They were puzzled how that could be. Surely someone who has put in so much time and effort would be more advanced than someone who has put in zero time and effort after all. I did my best to explain to them that studying 100 systems that are false, and trying to combine them into something new, doesn't result in a new and improved amalgam of a system, and having to beat all that nonsense out of the student is very difficult to do if not impossible. Getting someone to empty their cup, especially when they are so proud of the contents of their cup is almost impossible. The person became very upset, and defensive, and demanded I teach them. Never a good sign.

M In Soto Zen the stick is used to "suddenly awaken" a student, but few American temples do so anymore. I suppose it could possibly be effective, but I don't use that technique with my students. The problem with some traditions is that their "skillful means" don't evolve with societal changes. What might have worked in feudal Japan might not be what is best for a student in todays day and age. There are plenty of other opportunities and techniques, and an experienced and intuitive teacher could choose something much more personal and effective in the moment. _/\_ - I haven't found that there is any issue with mixing techniques where the intention is awakening/enlightenment. I have no trouble mixing techniques where it is efficacious. I will do whatever I can to help precipitate awakening in truly committed student. Microcosmic orbit practice is one example of a practice when mixed with others that can end very badly. I have seen many students mix this together with another practice, and then blame the other practice for the resulting health issues. It is a shame indeed, and it becomes the responsibility of the teacher to filter out students likely to do stuff like this in my opinion.

That is a different Sean than the person who started this forum.

I agree. Many seekers I meet want to absorb all teachings, and then combine them into something new and better. This leads to health problems no one knows how to fix. Often the last teacher and system they represent gets the blame for the health problems.

I don't think hitting a student with a stick is a good idea, it was more of just a response to Apech's post. The main point being is it is difficult and often impossible to get people to give up teachings they consider valuable. Mixing practices can and often does result in health problems, for which the teacher ultimately will be blamed.

They not willing to unlearn as a first step, so no, nothing more was given to them.

It was meant more metaphorically, often it is not possible to force people to empty their cup. This is especially true when they hold the teachings they already have in high regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keisaku

A suggestion would be to create a separate forum to mirror this one. thedaobumspolitics.com or something. Then invite everyone over there. That way the staff's wishes are respected here.

Just as a flock of starlings has no leader, neither do your neurons. "You", "I", "Ego" etc. is all an emergent phenomenon, arising from their interactions and communication. If you are looking for a command center in the brain, the thalamus, anterior-dorsal insula, and the claustrum. Those are all regions that if artificially stimulated can lead to temporary loss of consciousness.

Imagine at a city council meeting, the members unanimously decide to increase taxes. They organized and directed the decision to raise taxes. Imagine this morning you decided to make scrambled eggs, bacon, toast, and coffee with cream. Your neurons voted on it much like the city council did, and that is what happened.

The void of outer space is full. Everything else is empty. Check out "A Universe From Nothing" by Dr. Lawrence Krauss MIT Basically empty space is full of matter/antimatter particles fused together. Random quantum vacuum fluctuations can separate these into equal amounts of matter and antimatter.

If you asked an individual neuron to solve a partial differential equation, it would have no clue. If you put a bunch of neurons together, and let them act collectively, they can indeed learn together how to solve a problem as a group that none of them understand individually. The understanding exists in their relationship to one another, but not with any single individual. "you", "I" ego, identity is like that also.

Analogies are rarely perfect.

I know there are certain topics they ask us not to talk about, so I will be vague. Right now spiritual people, at least the ones who are paying attention have a lot more on their minds than normal. I have a good Buddhist friend recently who committed suicide rather than deal with certain realities. I think a lot of people who would otherwise be posting here are not doing well because of things, and maybe they are withdrawing from communities like this one. Just my $0.02

So to get back to the no you discussion. Starlings fly in patterns that no individual member decides on, I posted a video previously. Imagine that this collective made up of birds developed an ego, an identity, and could communicate with you. When you looked at the individual birds themselves they would have no clue about higher level concepts and language, they are just birds. Imagine collectively such an intelligence emerged from their communication and interaction though. In this scenario, there is no I anywhere in that flock of dumb birds. It is just an emergent property of the flock communicating. As to what reality really looks like. Color doesn't exist, light has a frequency, but not color. Color is something our brain attributes to the frequency of light. In reality nothing has a smell, or a taste. Those are attributes our mind gives to chemicals we interact with. We aren't looking at reality, we are looking at an abstraction of it.

Two monks were arguing about a flag. One said: "The flag is moving." The other said: "The wind is moving." The sixth patriarch happened to be passing by. He told them: "Not the wind, not the flag; mind is moving."

We don't look at actual reality itself, but rather the energy and information being exchanged in our mind. The job of the brain is to create an experience which represents the reality outside of us. Whatever reality is it looks nothing like the experience we are having of it. At best the reality we experience has representational value, like a painting of a pipe represents a pipe.

When we communicate, the energy and information we exchange is the same as what our neurons do. This was true before AI was a thing. There is no "I" there is only the voices of trillions of cells talking to one another, the "I" that emerges is their collective conversation. It is much like murmuration seen in starlings:

I view myself not as one thing, but rather the conversation trillions of cells are having across an organic internet. I am the energy and information they exchange. The collective conversation that society of cells has. I am that energy and information. There is no me inside this body. There are just trillions of cells talking and communicating with one another. Each with their own individual wills and perspectives. We also are doing the same thing our cells are, as we share energy and information and communicate on the internet. That exchange of energy and information gives rise to an awareness not unlike our own.

If a homeless person wanted to offer you advice on which stocks to invest in, would you listen? If a teacher with no accomplishments offered to teach you the real deal stuff, would you listen? I think you should be very mentally hygienic, and focus only on practices which have good evidence backing them. Anyone can make a course and a website and charge a monthly fee, but not everyone knows what they are talking about.

I think the threads have been hidden in some section of the forum only admins and staff can see. It was over the top Chūnibyō syndrome stuff.

100% same guy, new name.