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Announcing a new KUNLUN Meetup in NJ What: Kunlun information session When: June 14, 2008 10:30 AM Where: Fords, NJ - http://spirituality.meetup.com/76/calendar/8133610/ Meetup Description: We are fortunate to have the opportunity for Oscar Hsu to visit us at our usual meeting place of Fords Library at 10:30 AM this Saturday. Oscar will be discussing Kunlun, an ancient Taoist practice of spiritual awakening. This practice can help individuals to clear deep seated emotions, tension, and trauma. Please see the link on Kunlun for more information about this practice. Also, I've added a link containing an interview with Oscar from YouTube for further info. Please RSVP so we can get an idea of who will be attending. Donations of $10 for discussion and sharing of energy suggested. Also, Oscar is trying to build a center for Kunlun in Hawaii, so additional donations would be very much welcomed. Here's the link:

Interesting I found this in another post http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...%20law&st=0 Not sure if Yoda is saying that Chris said this or who did ? Yoda ...>?

From what I remember, when conditions dont permit or for other reasons, and you need to do it without chair, You can do it sitting down. Just keep hips higher than feet. Ultimately form is important, but its a technique. Once we master it we can to that state with just a thought. Counting in Zen Repeating Mantra in Yoga Looking at a candle flame they are all techniques, once you get to the state, you dont need the technique. Important to be comfortable - if you are not comfortable - surrender will not happen AND SMILE!!!, dont be serious. Important to not get caught up in the method, but enjoy!

Max showed us Standing Kunlun, but I think it was more as simple games we can try - Like he has few stand and asked them to initiate and be open to kunlun, then he would show the group things that could be done with energy. - Tree game, that you stand with your back towards tree, put your mind on ur back, initiate Kunlun and take your mind towards the tree... I agree, I think from what i know so far from Max, Kunlun is to be done sitting and mastered. Standing Kunlun is not a practice but side things...

Standing posture from what I understand were shown and used in training to: - Prepare us: As we come to a session or get ready to do any Spiritual practice, we need to put outside world behind us for that time period. There is a transition needed, where we tell our body and mind that all the things we were doing until that point are no longer needed for this next 1 hours or so. All problems, issues can wait... Different schools, religions, practices use different methods. Rituals are used in religions, Bowing is used in temples as a way to transition you. And then.... slowly you can get into the real practice. For some it may not be needed, they can simply go into Kunlun or meditation simply by a thought, for others it helps. For even experienced practitioners there may be days that you have more things on your mind, and such INTRO rituals will help. It can be Standing posture, or bowing or Yoga or 5 Elements or Tai Chi. What ever works for you. I use slow Hatha Yoga and 5 Elements for 15-30 minutes as a INTRO, and I can see that it calms me and others in my group for deeper meditation experiences.

" Official site: http://kunlunforum.com/ " This site is not functional live yet - changes are being made by Chris (Mantra). So I have created a new site. Plus I see a need for having a place to have Local GROUPS that can meet and post.

Who is planning to go ? I am looking to share room.

topflight and anyone else - i am looking to share too. please send me a message and lets talk.

Looking forward to more of Max. Any one else going ? that may want to share room ?

Chris (mantra). Let me know if you need help in setting up the Forum. I have done so for few sites: Sample Kunlun Forum on Meetandgrow.com http://forums.dalailamajuly2008.com/ Jazz

Attain the utmost in Passivity, Hold firm to the basis of Quietude The myriad things take shape and rise to activity But I watch them fall back to their repose. Like vegetation that luxuriantly grows But returns to the root from which it springs. To return to the root is Repose: It is called going back to one's Destiny. Going back to one's Destiny is to find the Eternal Law, "Tao" To KNOW "Tao" is Enlightenment. And NOT to know the Eternal Law, "Tao" Is to court disaster. These are my notes and understanding while working on above sutra, from the book "Living Tao" by OSHO. Please read and comment on your understanding. "Attain the utmost in Passivity": We are always active, doing something! this is how we work or how our mind works and stays alive. If there is a thought, there is mind. To be PASSIVE is to not do anything, to give in surrender, to observe, to be a witness - Mediate. 24 hours we are doing things and things.... if one hour we can be passive and stop. Let things happen and we simply watch. Utmost Passivity: simply being passive is not enough. In being passive, we are trying, making effort to be passive. As we are trying we are still doing something and mind is still working... Meditation happens when we stop being active, surrender or forget about it being passive we simply observe. Its like trying to sleep, If you try to sleep it dosent happen. The moment you forget about sleep, you somehow sleep. Till you are excited, you cant sleep. The moment mind dosent have anything to do, we go to sleep. If we are trying to relax, it goes against relaxation as we are still doing something. Relaxation happens when we are not doing anything. Utmost in Passivity is when there is no effort to be passive. Beautiful things happen, they are not done. Love happens, meditation happens, relaxation happens. We cannot make it happen. No one can force us to love, we could pretend but it wont be love. Material world is a world of doing, and Spiritual world is a world of happening. Another way to look at Active and Passive is as Male and Female temperament. Males are more active; doing, women passive; waiting. Greatest thing happens to women, not men. She becomes pregnant, gives life! A god is to be born, women becomes a temple. Man simply remains a doer, outsider. To receive ultimate, we need to be feminine, witness, non-doer, utmost passive. Ying - fire energy, Yang - water. We need to be more like water, flowing and less like fire, rigid. "Hold firm to the basis of Quietude": Mediate to reach the core of ourselves, in the stillness find the center. It is there! hard to find with all the thinking going on, but only matter of time if we keep trying. Once we find it, hold on to it. "The myriad things take shape and rise to activity But I watch them fall back to their repose.": From the center and stillness we can watch things take place and they come back to stillness. When we meditate, we watch our mind and the thoughts go from one thing to other. Sometimes one thought leads to another, and on and on, and we realize and we come back to center. If we are centered or grounded, we watch things happen around us, people acting, but not being affected, we can simply watch without being affected. "Like vegetation that luxuriantly grows But returns to the root from which it springs.": Everything goes back to origin. Spring comes seeds becomes plants and trees, then one day day they fall and go back to ground. Child is born, becomes old and dies back to origin. "To return to the root is Repose:" In west progress is seen as linear. In east its seen as circular. In linear, everything moves in a line, and keep moving in a line, things are happening.... on and on, one thing to another. History is important, historical facts are important. In circular, everything moves in a circle, things happen then they go back to the root, history is not relevant as its a circle. 'Sansar' the world for world literally means a Circle. History becomes less important, and is substituted by Mythology 'Puran'. In Puran we are concerned with the essential, in History we care of the facts. Who cares about when Buddha was born, what matters more is what he said. Buddha becomes a symbol of all Buddhas and what happened. We are born and then we die, we return back the root. Life is a circle, death is repose. When we understand this, there is no struggle, there is acceptance. "It is called going back to one's Destiny. Going back to one's Destiny is to find the Eternal Law, "Tao" ": This is the Eternal Law, to understand the circle. "To KNOW "Tao" is Enlightenment.": Once we know, we dont fight it, we live with it. A wise man moves with the law, a foolish man suffers. If we go against the law we suffer, no one is needed to punish us. You put your hand in fire, it will burn. In our moments of happiness and bliss, we are with the law. "And NOT to know the Eternal Law, "Tao" Is to court disaster.": To not be with the law, to go against the law, we cause our own suffering. We create our own Heaven and Hell.

Any one interested please checkout: http://meetandgrow.com/community/groups/ku...p/52/88.aspx#88

Question: does it matter wich leg is on top ? also Does it really matter if my hands are facing downwards or upwards ? If you are starting out, whats important is to relax. Until you are relaxed, meditation wont happen, you will be trying. Seating position is important but not as important. More important is to sit relaxed, SMILE, and let it happen. Question: is it ok during my usual activities throughout the day to try to keep my attention in Dantien for example when I'm working in the garden or when I'm cleaning the house ? YES, Once you understand, everything we do can become and should become meditation. Being with what we are doing, and not somewhere else! Also I was wondering if it's ok to sit in the outside in the grass or am I prone to catching pneumonia and dying with all my attention in Dantien. Be reasonable, If the weather is decent sit outside. If its too cold, no need to torture yourself. There are practices/techniques to overcome hardships, but i would say relax. Buddha experimented with all techniques and then choose the middle way, and he was enlightened when he let it go.

Every lienage has a practice, style as their main practice. That to me means ROOT practice. For Max its Kunlun, like for zen its zazen. Even though so many meditation techniques exist in Buddhism, zen uses zazen, but others are available. Our minds want more and more. One is not enough. So Max shows you many practices, but really 1 practice is all you need. If you could master one you would have it. Problem is for a beginner one is not enough. As example there is so much esoteric info on his book, but at first glance one would say, that it ? such a small short book. You may tend to buy a 500 page book on Taoism if you were searching in a bookstore. That being said, different people have different mindsets. Some are more visual, some more calm, some hyper. For this reason, one practice (technique) dosent work. In one of Indian books Shiva sutra (The Secret) book I have, there are 131 documented techniques of meditation and they all work. some are totally opposite and meant for different people. We need different styles. Thats why the whole world dosent follow zen or dao or vipassana or yoga. As not every style works for everyone. I have seen Max, advice few people RP instead of Kunlun, as he probably felt that would work better for them. To me he said Kunlun is your practice. And its just a matter of forgetting everyhing, and just practicing.

I find it very effective! Its like instant On switch for me.

Guys we arranged a follow up session with Oscar this past Sunday. It was great to meet about 8 of us and I left with a big smile. Any one in NY NJ CT area that hasnt given me thier email - plz do so I can keep you informed. Oscar is here another week, and we will try to meet again. http://meetandgrow.com/community/groups/kunlun/default.aspx http://mykunlun.com Who all are planning to go to June - La seminar - perhaps i should start a new post .

Hello Everyone & especially my new TaoBum friends that I meet over the weekend in NJ. I am so glad, I ran into the sessions with Max, because of you Bums!, I got so much extra time and practices. Jazz Singh I have started a group for East Coast members from the weekend class: MeetAndGrow.com ::NAMASTE::: The highest in me bows to the highest in You! I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells, I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light and of Peace, When you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, we are One. :::NAMASTE:::

The guy next to me is : Dalai Lama. - for me it was a moment of a Lifetime to meet him. and now ... to meet Max. I have updated my Avatar to the fresh picture.

Thanks to my Dharma Bum friends! So glad to have run into you, catch onto your energy on Friday evening, even though I was not a bum yet, but i have always been a bum. Have been Dharma Bum and now..... Tao Bum! So glad that because of you guys.... i got the extras of time, conversations, knowledge, practices...... from Max. I have started a group for East Coast members from the weekend class: kunlun ::NAMASTE::: The highest in me bows to the highest in You! I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells, I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light and of Peace, When you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, we are One. :::NAMASTE:::