Feng69

7 minutes ago, Feng69 said:

 

 

Sorry, sometimes I'm to stupid for the technical things 

2 hours ago, freeform said:

 

Yup - from my understanding this is when Qi starts to fill the Jing Jin and the Huang (various layers of soft tissues). Then the form doing itself is one layer of the meaning of Yi leads the Qi...

 

And as you say this drops away - because you actually need to Song deeper past that stage - it's like you release a layer deeper and 'hang' off that movement more - and a whole new layer of discomfort and growing pain opens up

 

Then the lines rebuild again and again you'll feel the same floaty sense of the body moving you... and again you song a layer deeper... and on and on

 

It's the same process with neigong/qigong.

 

Sounds like you're doing great!

Well...sice that was, I've become stronger, but I'm "waiting" for the next layer when it begins to float again

Could be that therefore I have to practice more, but with an 8 to 5 Job, a son and a partnership with a woman, there are only 2 hours the day for practicing...

But I changed some weeks ago  a bit of my practice... Doing now less form and daoyin exercises but longer standing in wuji and also san ti shi...and it seems to work. Sometimes the system needs a new input. 

Best wishes

Feng69 

10 minutes ago, Feng69 said:

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Sorry double posted and quote. Sorry. 

4 hours ago, freeform said:

For me it was very physical... like being swollen from the inside out. No spinning, rotation, magnetism or anything like that - just physical tissues blown up like a balloon. I had to check to see if I wasn’t actually swelling. Also there’s a distinct feeling of ‘wetness’ - like you peed yourself - but all through your body 😅

 

Now I don’t really feel it at all - except when I catch a cold or get jet lag - then I feel the absence of it.

That seems to be the same I had few years ago when practicing the taiji form I've learned. 

I also felt like getting big arms, legs, and torso from the inside out. And in the arms and legs it felt like a huge load of warm water which was pumped through the arms and legs...a few weeks later, that all stopped...and than in the following weeks, it happened something very interesting ...after standing in wuji posture for preparing the taiji form, "it" made the taiji form with me. Without doing anything "I" did the complete form. the form simply happened without any muscular effort. I only had the small intent to practice the form. That's all.  Can't describe it in a better way. 

My teacher said it is a good process because now the chi would lead my body doing the form...

But also this phenomenon stopped...

It seems to be an endless process of developing... 

Best wishes 

Feng69 

15 hours ago, dmattwads said:

Do the eight brocades only improve health or can they be used for cultivation? Is there a deeper aspect?

In my opinion the main aspect is to bring the body in a good shape. Not the outer muscles but the connective tissues and the sinews etc. And that could be a good precondition for cultivation. But I think there are better exercises for opening the doors within the body and connecting the different tissues. Exercises with much slower movement than the brocades. 

Best wishes 

Feng69 

1 hour ago, freeform said:

Yeah MCO is somewhat advanced... but not completely useless.

 

I think he has methods to develop the LDT in his books.

Ah OK, thank you for mentioning that. 

My statement was nothing against Mr Mitchell. Sorry if it seemed like that. 

Only wanted to say that this free course is the step after building the dantien. 

I like the videos of Damo Mitchell. 

Best wishes 

15 hours ago, thelerner said:

Damo's very generously has a 7 hour free course- https://damomitchell.com/2020/03/23/microcosmic-orbit/

Many good books too, with nice discount for Kindle based. 

On the one hand it's generously to offer a free mco course...on the other hand it's useless until one has not built the dantien in the right way. And these exercises are not included in the course and I don't know any person who will give these exercises for free.

So, first step is building the dantien with the proper tools and 2. step is the mco...as I am informed. 

Best wishes 

2 hours ago, Shanmugam said:

 

I feel very light in the body. The difference is tremendous. I feel more energetic, just like how I felt when I was a child. So, it indeed made a difference in the way I feel my body.

Thank you for your answer. 

Hello Shanmugam

very interesting what you write in your posts. 

I don't know your (spiritual etc) background (perhaps there is more on your YouTube channel but I haven't watched it yet) but what would be interesting for me is:

Was it only a shift in consciousness or has your body also shifted in a way? Did you only practice "techniques" that changed your mind or did you at the same time also practice "techniques" which changed the body over the years. A change from closeness to openness, from tightness to release from hard muscles to soft tissue etc? 

In my opinion, as I learned, it's best to do both...mind changing and body changing methods. Because if we only practice one of these parts, something will be missing on the personal path, as I see it. 

Best wishes 

Feng69 

Hello all (and sorry for my bad english) 

As I know there are different steps of that what is often called enlightement (from some daoist point of view) 

First "you" have to awaken, to realize what "you" really are. Not only for a short time but for constant time. And therefore it needs also work with your body, not only mental work. 

After that there comes the step of stepping out of the wheel of incarnation...

After that it comes immortality... 

That's what me was told. But I'm far far away from own experience. 

I only have sometimes a glimpse of the first step, the awakening...I've got a long road to go, with many further incarnations... :-) 

Best wishes 

Feng69 

On 12.12.2020 at 4:25 PM, dmattwads said:

I thought instead of starting a new thread about a topic that I'm sure has been discussed a lot I would just dig an old one up. 

 

My question is when doing the eight brocades is there anything that you do internally or is it all just the movements and breathing?

Hello dmattwads, 

I practiced them for some years, and sometimes I still do them. 

When practicing, beside the correct movement combined with the breathing, in my opinion, it's very important to practice them with the feeling that the muscles hang off the bones because then the muscles and the connective tissue have a nice "hanging" stretch throughout the whole exercise. 

That's where the internal aspect rises, in my opinion. 

Best wishes 

Yes I thought that you thought this 

In Europe we drink also Caipi and such things 

Best wishes 

Feng69

8 hours ago, Desmonddf said:

 

Seems like a case of liver attacking the spleen.

 

 

Quite valid and not excludent. This can be both one of the reasons why you're having these problems or a consequence of having those problems.

 

 

Indeed this could be one of the causes!

 

 

Quite probably liver yin deficiency, especially with the vegetarian diet.

 

Chicken meat can be very good for you, especially chicken liver.

 

 

I'd say, since it is winter in the north hemisphere (and if he's from the northen part of the globe), maybe he should concede a bit on eating hot foods. Especially chicken brooth.

 

He could add some digestive spices in order to make it gentler in the stomach, for instance a little bit of cumin. It will be hot, but it won't be toxic.

 

 

Wait, you're brazilian?

 

(Se for, eu sou também, haha).

Hello Desmonddf, 

thank you for your reply

No, I'm not from Brazil, I am an European. 

During the last days, I have eaten many warm meals with different kinds of meat, it was sometimes beef, sometimes pork and a bit of chicken and I have eaten less chocolate (I know, industrial sugar is bad, but sometimes in the evening, lying with my beloved wife in the living room and talking or reading, we love to eat some chocolate. So I won't let it completely, but I'll eat less of it). 

Thing is, since eating more meat and less sugar, heartburn has gone completely. So I was curious and testes a glass of wine yesterday evening...and nothing happened. No pain, no heartburn, nothing at all. 

I will watch it further, but I think, the problem has dissolved. 

So thank you all very much for your very kind comments! Thank you very much. 

Best wishes 

Feng69

On 3.11.2020 at 12:17 PM, dachungzi said:

I hope no one takes offense to a strictly medical point of view, but I recommend seeing a doctor if this is new for you. This can be a symptom of Hodgkin's Lymphoma. You're probably fine and just lost some tolerance, I'd like to ask did you have it on an empty stomach? Or have you been dieting or fasting? But whenever you have new symptoms, especially strange ones, it's a good idea to consult a doctor.

 

It should also be noted that according to Michael Saso, an ordained Zhengyi adept and anthropologist, many daoshi in Taiwan evidently have a reputation for being high functioning alcoholics, even accomplished ones? The line in the sand they seem to draw is staying sober for practice and liturgies. So it doesn't seem to me necessarily that practice would cause this kind of aversion.

Thank you for your answer.

I looked at my family and many of them including myself had and still have heartburn when eating or drinking the "wrong" things. 

And I tested other drinks with alcohol. The pain inside the stomach comes only when drinking red whine or cold beer (or sometimes black coffee). 

When I drink for example a small glass of whiskey or a Caipirinha, there is no pain in the stomach. 

And there are absolutely no other symptoms for lymphoma. 

I think I'm healthy and have only some problems with to much acid in the stomach. 

Thank you again for the answer. That was very kind. 

And sorry for my bad English. 

Best wishes 

9 hours ago, Gerard said:

Do not remove meat from your diet as it invigorates the Spleen, particularly this Metal Rat year being cold, controlling Wood (beef is Wood in nature) ---> Metal controls Wood element in Wuxing theory.

No reason why alcohol should be part of your life. 
 

Vegetarianism does not equate to health. 

 

Balancing diet is the key as well as listening to your body because everyone's yin-yang make up is different.

 

 

 

I see it like you do in that post. 

I always listen to my body and I've been living very good with it. 

I'm 51 and still in a good shape and my jing level feels still quite high (because of the external and internal practice and probably because of my preheaven ingredients imho). 

So I am a really lucky man and hope I can practice for the next 50 years.

2 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

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Can't see your answer.? 

1 hour ago, Sea Turtle said:

Hello again Feng69, 

 

ok, so heartburn usually signifies stomach fire, so we would recommend to eat "cooling" foods.

 

Regarding meat (tonifies the qi, so yes, your perception is right), consider cooler methods of preparing the meat, like cooking, boiling or steaming, and sticking to cooler kinds, like chicken or other poultry.

 

Goat, lamb and venison is "hot", so not suitable for stomach fire, and every preparation with dry heat (baking/roasting, grilling, barbecueing or stirfrying is making food hotter, so get your meat in a nice chicken soup or  a stew or as a traditional Austrian Tafelspitz (steamed beef). In addition, try to balance meat with cooler foods (vegetables, steamed fruits etc.)

Consider replacing some of it with fish. Provides great protein, omega 3 fatty acids and rather strengthens the yin (also good for the sweating.

Red meat develops toxic metabolites in the large intestine, so should be reduced in the overall consumption. (bowel cancer risk)

 

Klonk

Sea Turtle

Great answer! Thank you very much! 

34 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If anything, I think your cultivation is probably helping you become aware of something that may have been there all along.

 

Really recommend checking out a good acupuncturist, doc, or stomach gut health doc.

 

If you want diagnostic help, Master Lin or any of his students in SFQG can tell you what is going on.

Eric Isen is really good as well.

 

Good luck,

John

Thank you John! 

Like I said, normally I'm absolute healthy. 

So first step is, to drink no alc at all. That's fine.for me. I drank it only at birthdays etc, never at home or alone. 

So, no problem to stop it completely. 

Best wishes 

48 minutes ago, Sea Turtle said:

Hello Feng69, 

as Gerard said, highly concentrated alcohol is Yang (hot) and can cause pain in people with stomach fire (burning pain after drinking or eating). Is the pain different if your drink beer, wine or spirits?

 

But this burning pain should also be able to be caused by any other very hot food or drink, like hot spices (chili, cayenne pepper), black coffee, barbecued lamb or game meat.

 

Are you generally hot of temperature? Do you sweat easily? Do you suffer from heartburn/reflux?

 

Does your face and eyes tend to get red?

How is your tongue? Red? Yellow coating? maybe a straight crack in the middle?

 

To answer your question, you don´t give enough information. I don´t think from my experience, that martial arts lead to physical problems with alcohol. Rather your mind does not need it that much anymore.

Alcohol dissolves tensions and relaxes you,. the same you achieve by martial arts, so you get a better solution to stress.

But usually the stomach can still transform alcohol.

So I think there must be other reasons, I mentioned a few questions above, maybe you really suffer from "stomach fire" and should reduce all hot foods for a while.

 

Hope this helps

 

Klonk.

Sea Turtle

Thank you Sea Turtle. 

Stomach fire is possible. 

I drink no coffee at all because than I get reflux and a bit of heartburn and I don't like the taste of coffee. 

So normally there are absolutely NO problems with my stomach. Only when trying alcohol or coffee. Wine and bear doesn't make difference. Same kind of pain. 

And yes, I'm sweating quite easy when practicing kicks etc. 

But no read face or very read tongue. 

I was vegetarian for the last 5 years and began eating meat 6 months ago. But it makes no problem. I felt, that my body needed it, because it became to weak when I trained much. So, with meat it's much better. I can practice 2 or three hours the day and it makes me stronger. 

So I think it's OK letting go of alcohol completely. 

Because normally I am really healthy. No problems at all

Thank you very much for your helpful answer. 

Best wishes 

Feng69 

5 hours ago, Damla said:

Hello,

Sometimes we perceive things in some other dimensions that we arent quite aware. Things have a lot of things associated with themselves in those other dimensions. That is to say or examplify as if : That thing has a word and sound form, a material form, a past universal form etc. Now, since you have wanted to have a different perception with your body, that thing's perception changed in your body as well.

Then you ask: why it is towards alcohol and not towards any other things? Does this even have any significance that your body picked alcohol to give an hint and not apple juice?

 

 

Thank you for answering. Don't know if it's my approach, but it is an interesting one. 

10 hours ago, Gerard said:

Why would you drink if it is clearly too Yang for you? Stomach Fire + Liver Fire. 

 
For medicinal purposes it's a wonderful substance...when combined with herbs like Gou Qi Zi and Wu Wei Zi during the winter months to nourish the Kidney.

 

But you need to see a physician for this to determine whether you need it or not according to your constitution.

 

Until then stay way from it! 

 

You are absolutely right. Like I said, I never drank much. But since that stomach aching, I stopped it completely. 

My question is, if there are other practitioners experienced the same and why it is that way. 

So, thank you for your answer. It is helpful. 

Hello everyone, 

I never was the one who drank much alcohol. During the last 15 years I had only 3 or 4 times the year a drink, for example on a birthday. 

And the more I practice the internal arts, the less alcohol I want to drink. 

And here comes the point. 

Since a few months (I have increased my practice to 2 hours per day, sometimes 3) , I am not able to drink only a bit of alcohol at all. After a half glass of wine or bear my stomach is aching and it feels like the stomach crunches (hope that is the right word). I realized that two times this year, when I was at a birthday. 

My teacher says it could be normal because the body becomes more sensible, but he is not sure that pain in stomach is normal when trying alcohol. 

I'm complete healthy, only when trying a drink, this pain is coming. 

Has anyone else practicing the arts, had similar experience? 

Best wishes and sorry for my rather bad English. 

10 minutes ago, freeform said:

Yes there are certain pills designed for longevity.
 

But as far as I’m aware, they always go hand in hand with inner cultivation. Without specific cultivation most of these pills will have an adverse effect or no effect.

 

Neigong pills are openly sold in Asia for example. These are low-level pills designed to increase the production of yin and yang Qi... but if you don’t have a consolidated Dantien and relatively open channels they will give you a burst of uncomfortable levels of energy while depleting your essence. Generally people feel manic, excited, unable to sleep for a period before crashing.
 

For someone who has trained extensively, they gently upregulate the production of Qi in your system and the Qi will begin to ‘fill’ the Dantien. 

Thank you freeform for your reply. Didn't know that there are such pills sold in asia...interesting but also dangerous. 

One of my teachers in the past told me, if practicing longer sitting and standing sessions for a longer period of time it could help to supplement cordyceps. But if one don't practice intensively, one should abandon it. 

Sounds a bit similar to what you wrote. 

2 hours ago, freeform said:

 

 

It is definitely not the case that you take a pill and it magically makes you enlightened.

But to make you live very much longer? 

Hello Daniel, 

I'm not free-form, but let me write a little comment. 

If there is no stretching routine you have learned, try it with this for example. I think, this is a good one. 

https://youtu.be/iW0_U1O3ynQ

Best wishes.