Feng69

Hello,

I'm the lucky one 😉 who sees his partner only at weekends.

During the week I come home at 5 pm and after a bit of housework I practice 3 or 4 hours Taiji, Qigong, Meditation.

More correct to say, two days the week I first go to the gym for some resistance exercises and on the running machine before the internal practice. At these two days I practice only two hous internal.

After all of that, reading and sleeping.

I'm loving it. 

1 hour ago, anshino23 said:

Testosterone replacement therapy. 

Ah ok, thank you for the information. 

What ist TRT? Tribulus Terrestris? 

I've read the following:

The more you practise internal, the more the jing is stilling, the less testosteron is produced and because of that, testicles begin to atrophy... use it or loose it. 

I don't know if that is true, because I don't practice that much. I only have read that... there are others that know more about  that probably. 

The answer from today on the same question is in the pic.

Best wishes

Feng69

Interesting thing, I communicated the following text with chat gpt.

On 28.11.2021 at 7:03 PM, Shad282 said:

Any practice, energy, thoughts that can keep you hot in super cold winter on streets?

30 minutes daoyin exercises or 8 brocades every morning, one cup of black tea and the body stays warm throughout the day.

But it won't work from the first day on, you have to be comfortable with the exercises and the body has to be "open" for some degrees. 

15 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

I follow Damo's IG for quite some time.  I compare his photos from 2016 to now.  He does age and put on quite a bit of weight in the last 5 years.

 

Reverse aging is quite a big subject.   There are exercises to improve one's appearance.   Generally the aim is to return to pre-puberty.  Neidanists are more concerned in prolonging their lives than rejuvenation.  Damo ages a bit and it is acceptable.  If he ages a lot, then you are right to have questionmark.

 

 

 

Thank you for your reply. That's what I wanted to know. 

I like reading his books and he seems to be a man with big knowledge about the internal arts. 

Best wishes 

8 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

If you want to look younger try Flying Phoenix qigong.

 

It even has a free meditation on YouTube by GM Doo Wai. For grey hair reversal it probably requires hours of meditation per day but for reversing wrinkles and other minor things it doesn't need that long per day.

 

 

I'm looking younger than I am, I'm fit and very healthy. I have a great set of exercises. So thank you, but I don't need another system. 

That was not my point. 

My point was reversing aging from Neidan. Some people say this would happen but I never saw a person where it worked. 

29 minutes ago, anshino23 said:

If you want to look young just do whatever William Shatner did, or have his genes... He's 90 in the picture here below. 

 

 

Also, you can go a long way with plastic surgery, rejuvenation therapies, and also anti-aging therapies. Being lucky (genetics) helps too. You can get all that without having to go through the intense and extremely hard path of neidan. 

 

That said you do make an interesting point. There have been studies where through facial recognition algorithms they can discern the biological age of a person and see signs of accelerated or delayed aging process. The same type of thing should really be happening to neidan masters if they're working specifically on that aspect. In my understanding for instance the turning grey hairs to black is something that only happens in retreat away from civilization where one can work directly with replenishing Jing. 

 

Ultimately I would say that if you're doing neidan, neigong or any of the internal arts just for health or to 'reverse aging', you're probably missing out on the point of the Arts in the first place. The main reason for those arts (in my view) is for spiritual progress. 

 

A healthy diet, enough functional physical exercise (and some stretching) along a healthy social life without too much drinking and tobacco will in most cases lead to a very healthy and long-lived happy life. 

Thank you anshino.

Good points. Short comment on my reason for practicing Daoyin, standing and Taichi (and silent sitting, but without teacher. I only sit and have my mind in my body).

I do it because it feels really GOOD when practicing. After many years of practicing Judo, later bodybuilding and kickboxing I had some heavy injuries and that changed part of my mind. I began with internal arts after treatments from a Chinese Doc. And the arts worked brilliant for my body. They made me strong from inside out. And soon I realised that they also were able to change my mind to a point I had been in my childhood. I became humble again, I became thankful and felt a deeper instance inside myself. All of that and more "crazy" things  like knowing that I had lived many times before, I felt/knew in my childhood. And I lost it at the beginning of puberty. And I became what some call a really asshole. 

And I found it (not all but some of my childhood knowing) again step by step while practicing year by year the internal arts I listed above. 

But the first thing was, at the age of 33, after those painful injuries, to get back health and well-being. 

All the other aspects came from alone so to say.

If that is what you call spirituality, ok that's what I do too. 

Best wishes 

Feng69 

18 minutes ago, Cleansox said:

Actually, no, it does. 

Measurable, on physiological processes. Some are mentioned in the current Nei Dan thread, the one with the extremely long heading. 

Ok thank you. I will have a look.

And I will not ask more. But still I'm not convinced. 

I do no Neidan. Only Taichi and Daoyin and standing and some pushups etc.

And with 50 I had one of those tests which measure different body stuffs (sorry, don't know the correct words).

And the test said, my body was like a 38 one's body. And I don't practice any Neidan. 

That's why I ask if Neidan really works like it is said, because if one can do other things for a young body and quit sitting for stilling the mind, why going that very long and secret road of neidan? 

But like I said, I only practice for hobby health and wellbeing. 

So again, thank you for your answers. 

3 minutes ago, freeform said:

 

That’s what ‘rejuvenation’ without the cultural conditioning of younger=better looks like.

 

(it’s a before and after photo of a guy who was in deep depression - and him again after he recovered)

So, is it wrong that Neidan reverses the aging process? Because that's what is often written. 

I know it's called a side affect, the reason for practicing Neidan is another one. But if the side affect doesn't work, how can one know that the higher aims work?

No bashing, only asking because of real interest. 

2 minutes ago, Feng69 said:

 

Sorry, too stupid for using my smartphone 

33 minutes ago, Cleansox said:

@Feng69 It was just that this thread started to become a teacher-bashing thread.

If you look through the internet, you will see that other teachers, including Chinese, more or less look their age, so it is unfair to ask of Damo Mitchell to look a certain way unless there is overwhelming evidence that others can live up to it. 

 

Isn't one's hair supposed to turn black as well? 

That one might be extra hard for Damo to live up to 😁

I never had Intent for bashing anyone. And I  didn't. 

This thread is about Damo Mitchell's course. Damo Mitchell practices and teaches Neidan. People say that Neidan has the ability to rejuvenate. And I can't see it in the case of Damo Mitchell. That was the chain of my thoughts And that's why I asked. No bashing, no bad thoughts, only a question.

Because before I give money to a school, a teacher etc, I try to proof if it's good for me or not. 

So if there is no teacher who rejuvenates I ask myself, has Neidan really this effect on people or not. 

Again, I LIKE Damo Mitchell's book and videos. It's only about the so called rejuvenateing aspect of neidan.

28 minutes ago, Indiken said:

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Wrong post sorry

8 minutes ago, Feng69 said:

Sorry. I made a mistake. 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Cleansox said:

@Feng69 

27 minutes ago, Cleansox said:

Do you have photos available featuring other teachers of neidan, so that we can see these rejuvenateing aspects here? 

Oh I'm sorry, perhaps my bad English is the reason for a misunderstanding. 

No, I don't know any teacher whose look obviously became younger. I only practice Daoyin, standing and Taichi, only as a hobby. I'm healthy and fit with 52 and that's fine. I do no Neidan. And I don't know any Neidan teacher in person. 

BUT I've read very often here and in books that Neidan makes one younger again, and I find it interesting. 

And here comes in what I wanted to know. Damo Mitchell (I really like his clips and books! ) wrote a book about Neigong but also about Neidan and he practices Neidan for years, as I read. 

And that made me questioning why he looks like a man in his beginning 40s ( what he IS) and not younger. Looking  both older and new clips from him, one can see that he becomes older like everyone else. So I can't see this rejuvenateing effect of many years of training Neidan. Why not after practicing so long? 

Hope you understand, my English is sadly not good. Sorry. 

On 12.10.2021 at 11:49 PM, XianGong said:

 

 

So, what is the result after 20 years?
 

I'm asking that too.

I don't practice his stuff. I only saw many videos from him, some years ago till today and I like the videos. But what I am questioning myself is: he is 41 or 42 and he looks like that. And his look became older like everyone's look becomes older when years go by. Practicing Neidan for so many years, why doesn't he look younger than he does?

 I read quite often, practicing Neidan stops ageing etc...

But in my opinion he doesn't look at least a few years  younger than he is. He looks good and healthy, like many others do. But not younger. Why not after so many years of practicing Neidan? 

1 hour ago, salaam123 said:

 

 

Feng69: Good advice, do you have any specific methods in mind? I have been trying to be selibate for a long time now with varying levels of success.

Well, I can only talk from my personal experience. 

Having no sex at all works for me at best in times of 

1. having no relationship to a woman (or at least a woman who understands my practice/cultivation)

2. Practicing a minimum of two better three hours or more a day (standing, sitting, Qigong, Taiji). I know that's quite hard when working 40 hours the week but for me it's possible because my circumstances "allow" it most of the time. 

3. Not going to places where my sences are feeded with sexual stimulating stuff

4. Havung not too much stressful situations in daily life (the less the better).

5. Drinking not much, better no alcohol at all during that time

6. Healthy amount of sleep (for me best is 6 - 7 hours)

7. And of course the will that cultivation is a very important part of my life. 

I know this list could be added with many more points but that's what works for me. And possibly the best situation would be, to have holiday for some weeks/months in that intensive times of practice...but not many persons are in the position, having so much holiday. 

Best wishes

(oh I'm so sorry for my English, hope you understand)

On 17.7.2021 at 11:01 PM, salaam123 said:

 

Maybe the chi/jing isn't lost in retaining but the minerals and vitamins that are in the semen go to waste.

 

If you practice sitting and/or standing with a light attention on your abdomen on a daily basis your jing will become more and more still. This makes your urge for sex smaller and then willful retention is NOT necessary anymore because it happens automatically, because your sex drive is lower. 

Just my experience. 

Ok...if you are looking for nice women every day, that won't work. 

So, if you really want to progress, best in my opinion is stilling the jing through practice and not having sex for a time...

As I said, just my personal experience.

Best wishes 

17 hours ago, dmattwads said:

This seems to be a lot more involved than what I learned in Dr. Yang's book. In his book you just focus on the Dan Tien and breathe. If I do this a while I usually feel tingling in the area. I didn't realize there was more involved.

  Developing the Dan Tien has a stabilizing effect on the emotions doesn't it?

 As I learned, there are different things to do for developing the Dan Tien. 

A light awareness on the lower abdomen area is one thing. To feel into this area during standing and moving exercises.

Next thing is letting the breath sink into this area. (Even we know that breath is only going into the lungs, it feels like breath is sinking into the lower abdomen)

And the third thing are exercises where we move the hands for building the shape of the dantien in the correct way. 

I didn't know for many years that I had to do it that way. But since I do it, there seems to build something inside. 

But I am not a professional for that kind of stuff. I am only practicing two hours the day a mix of dao yin exercises, taichi form and standing in different postures and an exercise very simular to that  shown in the video. 

I dont know if that exercises stabilize the emotions in a special way and I am in the lucky position, that my emotions are in general rather stable since I am 19 or 20...now I am in my fiftties an I feel still very happy and stable inside most of the time. Yes, Taiji and Qigong is great for my body and my spirit...but I am not sure if it stabilizes emotions...perhaps the oposite could be the case, if someone with unstable emotions begins with the art (talking in general not talking about you or another person), perhaps it could increase some negativ emotions because of the releasing effect of the exercises.

So sorry, I think there are many people here in the bums with more and better knowledge about that.

And again sorry for my rather bad Englisch. Hope you understand what I wrote. 

On 26.2.2021 at 9:14 PM, salaam123 said:

BTW, why does Damo Mitchell say in the MC Orbit video series that the dan tien is between Chi Hai and Ming Men in the middle of the body above perineum, and in his book, A Comprehensive Guide to Daoist Nei Gong, he pictures it at the level of Chi Hai in the middle of the body above perineum. It's a subtle difference but in my eyes a quite major one.

Sorry, haven't seen the video series about the MCO. 

I have seen many other clibs from him and during the last weeks read his book "a comprehensive guide..." and I also read his first book about neigong. 

In my opinion he writes good stuff even sometimes there are some differences between the old and the new book and some videos. 

But perhaps it has to do with his own experience, changing over the years. 

2 hours ago, Wilhelm said:

Not a Sifu, but this video (short as it was, and most likely a part of a larger program) shows elements of #s 2 and 5 from that list.

 

Sinking in the Kua (which, looking at his YouTube channel, he's gone into detail about in another video) will help consolidate the Yin field, and the hand movements are there to help shape it.  Yang Qi doesn't come out of the hands, but by opening Laogong as he instructs in the video - the Qi inside is influenced to 'shape the sphere'.

 

Checking out his website, it looks like he trained in South America and then China under some names I'm not familiar with.  Definitely comparable to Damo's method, but possibly from a different line

Yes I see it like you. 

As I said, I've learned a quite similar exercise to build the container and as I can say, it works. 

For a free video rather good in my opinion. 

Yes, there are more exercises and more complicated stuff for dantien work, but if one does for example eight brocades or something like that but has not learned how to build the sphere and is therefore not able to store the qi built from the Qigong , the exercise from the video could be a good one to begin with. 

Only my opinion. 

Best wishes 

Feng69 

I saw a video on the tube about building the dantien and I think it's quite good. I learned a very similar exercise but had to pay for it some years ago...what do you think about the exercise, shown in the video? It's important to watch till to the end, because there comes the most important hands movement. 

https://youtu.be/M_9f4XJBuX8

Best wishes 

Feng69