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12 hours ago, Asher Topaz said:

 

I came across shaolin qinggong training in the book "72 arts of shaolin". But most of the training was waigong. I

That is a manga book in itself 😁

I had to Google that one 😁

1 hour ago, Shad282 said:

does it work if more than 2 bodies? and has to be alive?

Being in a mass grave will not keep you warm, if that is what you ask. 

I practice putting on appropriate clothes. 

It's an old trick handed down through generations in my family. 

Adds to the overall confusion. 

10 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Qigong is not the same amongst systems and styles, nor is neigong.

Nor is nei dan. 

The process I had in mind comes after the one described above. 

(I started this with mentioning the expansion.) 

Yes. 

(Ok, you probably want me to use a few more words 😁) 

There are probably a really fancy name for the process, but my teacher didn't care much about those, so basically I have a name for the standing position and a vague description on what to expect. 

I have only found two references to it (as I can identify) in translated books on the subject, and both descriptions are vague. There is a fair description on the actual stance in one of the above texts, so I would guess that the method used to be fairly established in daoist lineages. 

Haven't found it in newer material though. 

You are right. 

Lets specify:

In the tradition I practice, the center opens up by itself when the more peripheral systems and pathways are adequately balanced and open. 

I'm sure there are more direct ways of doing it, but in my experience, every time I have tried a shortcut it turned out to being a detour. 

The center will open up by itself when one has done enough of foundation work. 

1 hour ago, Antares said:

 

But the question then how to apply this knowledge to the real practice? 

Stuff everything in the center until the center expands, thus creating the body outside the body? 

14 minutes ago, Seeking said:

 

 because its the most response I've had to any post and that is quite sad.

Why not try to make your other posts more interesting? 

Instead of seeking attention this way, I mean. 

14 minutes ago, Seeking said:

 pussy foot around using politically correct euphemisms and other linguistic games

Well, yes, that is how the times are right now. 

Makes for less screen time and more practice time. 

A person that can distill something from pretty much any religion is hardly drowning in ignorance. 

I might have missed that part, what exactly do you want to learn here? 

The single most common practice advice here is "get a teacher". 

In the daoist section, that is basically followed by "Check out Damo Mitchell's material", I'm sure there is someone hot on the buddhist scene as well, but I am not in to that specific market myself so... 

13 minutes ago, Seeking said:

 

Clear enough?

That's you sharing your insight, not the other way around. 

I must read the wrong buddhist and daoist books though... 

How do you get insights by the pic you posted? 

But yes, compared to the past, this place is slow. 

(And no, I'm not in any way offended.) 

7 minutes ago, Seeking said:

 

I'll give you 24 hours to decide whether to ban this username or sit down and be quiet as I've no intent of foregoing my nature on your, or anyone elses, account.

It's probably too early for a ban, but challanging mods is rarely a winning strategy.

I would call it the opposite, they both bread in new blood to avoid inbreeding. 

As always when one mix stuff, the result varies. 

According to Pregadio, Shitou Xiqian (caodong chan) wrote a short text with the title "cantong qi". Pregadio doesn't spell it out, but imply it might be related to it and thus reflect a Chan interest in Nei Dan going back to the eight century. 

Caodong imply Shaolin btw. 

No, how could such an overwhelmingly positive person, with such nice robes, be a scammer? 

Ok, the covid protection made me weary at first, but then all of it made perfect sense. 

2 hours ago, dwai said:

I find it a bit amusing to hear of something trivialized as “just mental exercises”.

Do you understand the difference between a method that uses a wide spectrum of psychological and physiological mechanisms, compared to something that is "just mental exercise"? 

Including how this, in the context of the post, is relevant for people that are likely to not being able to have the kind of focus you relate to the trained mind of a yogi? 

Or did you just want to look condescending? 

Just because some qigong is useful doesn't deny the fact that other methods also have healing aspects. 

We also have to match the cure to the disease, so to speak. 

I could analyze choire singing in a similar way as I can do with qigong, as I can with some forms of dancing. 

(Nerd-warning) 

Qigong, as in some qigong forms, work on very useful psychological and physiological mechanisms that can be very healing. 

That is, especially for the person that have specific emotional and autonomic dysregulation problems, often when more physical activity push the bodymind outside of the terapeutic window, or the individual is unable to perform more physical activity for other reasons. 

A young and healthy individual might experience more positive outcomes from other regimes. Few things fix everything for everyone. 

Regulating diet, sleep patterns, and having a balance between rest and activity builds the base for health, no argument about that. 

And yes, some methods are just mental exercises. 😁 

1 hour ago, freeform said:

 

My teacher never spared us from eating bitter

Standing with both hands above the head for an hour is pleasant when getting used to it. 

Some of the assymetric stuff we do, on the other hand,.... 😖

About getting it "right": I would say that every time I take a period with a stance, things evolve and stabilize, a few years later when returning to it, there is another level of experience. 

If I had a point with these few last posts, it would be that it is difficult to judge another tradition by how it is done in "my" tradition. 

2 hours ago, Zork said:

 

you should know all the zz stances in your system by the end of your first year.

In my school, we spend the first year in one stance. 

The rest are given one at the time, if the student manage to stand in them for the prescribed time, and make sufficient progress. 

2 hours ago, Zork said:

By the 3rd year you should be ready and able to stand in each stance for an hour at least. 

I would like to see someone stand in one of our more strenous stances for so long. Wouldn't care to go that route myself though, since it is more efficient in the long run to spend a few more months on it before moving on. 

42 minutes ago, Feng69 said:

 And I don't practice any Neidan. 

That's why I ask if Neidan really works like it is said, because if one can do other things for a young body and quit sitting for stilling the mind, why going that very long and secret road of neidan? 

You are right, the arts you mention also affect the body in this way, so yes, no point in looking further.