old3bob

Righto Bindi...Jesus was/is  a spiritual warrior who is also an elder brother, good Shepard, the Prince of peace and several other great qualities!

On 7/11/2025 at 12:40 PM, Cobie said:

 

ok. 

 

you are “illumination”-luke. 

 

meaning of an incandescent or energy saving LED type?

Btw mod's,  using old3bob's name on the side (or as an aside) without his ok is not exactly kosher, even if he can take a joke or ribbing.

3 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

a level of spiritual progress is indicated, when someone is able to step away from stances that are condemning and judgmental.

there can also be the case of or sign of spineless apathy or resultant naive appeasement...

"spiritual cultivation" or work also requires hard fought battles besides what could be called the contemplative niceties...who gave anyone the idea that it doesn't??

(for instance speaking truth to corrupted power)

she is just out of reach as she touches you.... and that is enough.

1 hour ago, zerostao said:

" If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."

 

From The Hobbit

 

true, along with not selling out our souls out to maniacal madmen of empty promise's for nationalistic glory.

I'm a hell of a long ways from the ocean which I miss a lot but at least we have a lot of nice lakes around here although along with their hungry mosquitoes'!   (and watch out for those nasty little ticks!)

the image below is an exaggeration but at times it does not seem so ;-) 

Is it like that where  Mark or Nungali live?  We once got eaten alive by these little critters near some northern California lakes!

When I lived in Alaska it was a great relief after we had a couple days cold enough to finish off the buggers for the rest of fall !   (at least until they came back the next year)  Btw,  my surfing sojourn in much warmer Hawaii didn't give that kind of relief from them including the other crawling critters that live there.

it helps to know that the you, you thought you were is not really or fully you, for there is no box big enough or strong enough to hold back Eureka!,  Om Tat Sat or whatever term one relates to...and with you as a visitor that one day becomes a full time resident, so to speak.  I'd say the picture below alludes to this process:

Solomon supposedly suffered some form or degree of doubt that can twist into relative madness when he said,  "vanity of vanities, all is vanity".  Some background from the Bible below:

6 minutes ago, Apech said:

Is it possible to train bears to repeat texts?

 

same question for  two deers

Thanks Nungali for the open road ride video!  That put a smile on me face.

Btw, some of that area looked pretty remote,  with probably little cell phone service to call for help if one's bike or rig broke down?  There are still quite a few places like that in the US but one needs to make decent  preparation if going out into "boonies".  (as in a dependable ride, some water, food, basic tools a full gas tank and appropriate clothing for the conditions)   I've also found that some map apps can not be counted on 100% or to be very clear and could land one who knows where in remoter areas, or not even that remote of an area.  For instance I pulled a family car and the father out of a snow drifted road with my old 4x4 one winter.  The father somehow followed an app that took him, his wife and kids off the main highway onto a secondary road and then onto a gravel road (!) that had very little traffic where they got stuck for 2-3 days and freezing while staying inside their vehicle.  Lucky for him a sheriff that patrolled that area now and then found them and took them into town.  When they got to town they were helped out with a place to stay and food since they were almost broke.   No way the guy had $1000-1500 bucks for a wrecker to pull his car out which is when a local volunteer organization which I know of heard about the situation and asked for my help which I was able to give.  To top it off the father did not speak English and his wife only a slight amount;  but fortunately my bilingual neighbor came along as an interpreter when we went to pull their car out.  Speaking of the snow, the ice was even worse with spots where my 4x4 could hardly get traction, while I'm thinking to myself please don't also get stuck here!  Things ended up fine and they soon continued down the main highway after saying a nice thank you.

39 minutes ago, doc benway said:

 

To me that is similar to JK's refusal to accept the designation of world teacher.

He was always guiding his followers to look inward, not to him but towards something new, something unknown. 

At least that's what I took from his teachings.

 

 

Yes, he was given all kinds of names and titles. Did he ask for them or create them for himself?

Just like the Order of the Star wanted to call JK the World Teacher, JC's cult had other ideas for him and continue to use and abuse his name for their own ends. It puts me in mind of a beautiful parable from Anthony Demello - 

 

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There’s this guy who invented the art of making fire. He goes up to the snow-clad northern regions where you have hill tribes shivering in the bitter cold, and he begins to teach them the art and advantages of making fire. He shows them the value of being able to be warm in the winter, cooking their food, helping with their buildings—and they learnt enthusiastically.

 

They were so grateful that they had learned the art of making fire, but before they could express their gratitude, he quietly slipped away. He didn’t even give them time to thank him because you know those rare human beings endowed with greatness—they’re not bothered about being remembered, they’re not bothered about being thanked—they want your good.

 

He went to another tribe, and he began to teach them to make fire. The people were enthusiastic, and he began to get more and more popular. The priests feared that their own popularity would diminish, so they decided to get rid of him by poisoning him. A suspicion arose among the people that it was the priests who had done it, so you know what the priests did?

 

They had a portrait of the Great Inventor enthroned upon the main altar of the temple, and a liturgy designed so that his name would be revered and his memory kept alive. The greatest care was taken that not a single rubric of the liturgy was altered or omitted. The tools for making fire were enshrined within a casket and were said to bring healing to all who laid their hands on them with faith. The High Priest himself undertook the task of compiling a Life of the Inventor. This became the Holy Book in which the Inventor’s loving-kindness was offered as an example for all to emulate, his glorious deeds were eulogized, his superhuman nature made an article of faith.

 

The priests saw to it that the Book was handed down to future generations, while they authoritatively interpreted the meaning of his words and the significance of his holy life and death. And they ruthlessly punished with death or excommunication anyone who deviated from their doctrine.

 

Caught up as they were in these religious tasks, the people completely forgot the art of making fire. The veneration, the worship, the ritual, were faithfully observed and went on decade after decade, century after century. But, there was no fire. Ritual, remembrance, gratitude, veneration, goodwill, yes. But, no fire.

 

 

For me his teachings were always very open, no conclusions, only guiding people to find their own way through self-inquiry. 

Up through his last teachings, I found him to be very consistent but certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

YMMV

 

granted he did share some gems, then again "no man (or woman) is an island" and no man  or woman does any kind of humanistic or spiritual work without help getting there... besides self-inquiry or no self-inquiry...

Btw, I'd say his anti-guru guruism was pretty much his incomplete conclusion or stance.

give me a home where the buffalo roam or maybe a Kawasaki W800 and rides on open, uncrowded roads!

On 7/5/2025 at 2:11 PM, doc benway said:

Seems to me like JK and JC had a similar relationship to their followers and a similar resistance to hierarchy. The rest was added later by people wanting to use their gifts to control others. In true spirit there can be no hierarchy.

In the NT Jesus said something close to,  "I do nothing except by the Father" and "not my will but thine",  he was also named or called  "King of kings" (etc.) which smacks of lawful spiritual hierarchy...but sure he was against a heavy handed, "lording it over on" type of hierarchy by corrupted and egotistic worldly powers.  Btw,  I'd say JK. lost it along the way (Kundalini or no Kundalini) per his profound sounding denials or profound sounding smiting along with some added commiserated like and incomplete conclusions.

Wow, never seen a truck and trailers set up that long ------------------------------------------------------ !

As for back in the old days many of us were poor but still had a relatively good times (like in nature),  and didn't have to concern ourselves with a lot of the stuff that is going on now,  like almost weekly school and other random shootings that are horrific to the max!!   Btw,  now some of the powers that be want to turn teachers into armed cops at school without them being qualified as cops!!

And that is partially on the gun corporations for pushing guns 24/7 to everyone for maximum profit, along with nixing lots of reasonable safety ideas and laws for civilian gun ownership....almost no one needs a 30-50 round magazine semi-automatic combat type gun at home that can cheaply be turned into near automatic!   Except for maybe off duty swat officers or cops on call.  Good God!

We know who has never recognized the 2020 election!  Anyway many citizens are now hoping the 2017 midterms will turn things around for the better in the US but that remains to be seen for by then we could (very easily) have marshal law declared to nix any elections  and to also allow for greater mayhem along the lines of imprisonment,  deportation and even murder of those who dare to demonstrate peacefully or otherwise;  such is the mind and heart dictatorship!  Btw. such can't be denied via the drift we are heading in and as has happened in other dictatorships.  This is not only political but also spiritual darkness!!  "Good luck' won't be enough to stop such from happening, and I'm not sure what could?

(Master Jesus and Mother Earth look on in hurt and cry, but are not broken and prevail in the end)   

On 7/2/2025 at 4:21 PM, Nungali said:

There is room in that bed  for him  ?  

 

dictators can smile, shake hands happily, and even joke around while 100's of thousands (in some cases events millions) of people are suffering or dying under their actions!  (of zero conscience)  

On 7/4/2025 at 4:44 PM, Nungali said:

 

Its something I never understood .    This race to 'crowd up' everything . It even happened on the commune . In the old days when we went from illegal to legal , we had to apply for 'multiple occupancy tenancy ' at the local council authority . One thing we had to do was make a development plan and show how where and how many house sites we were going to develop .

 

Some members suggested crazy high numbers  that seemed ridiculous to me . Why not just build  blocks of flats  and cover the land with development ? obviously they didn't want that , it would defeat the whole purpose of the enterprise .  So they agreed with me that some type of limit  must be put in place .  Okay good , you agree on a limit .

 

Now, why not make that limit  a good limit that is healthy, sustainable , enjoyable  ... etc  .  That got them thinking . Fortunately many decades later  we still have pristine and natural land , animal reserves ,  river front riparian zone,  a home for rare and endangered native animals , a festival site , and  still have some house sites that have not been developed yet ! 

 

Why wanna cover everything with people ?   

 

A day at the beach ; 

                          

 

Your picture on the left reminds me of driving on southern California highways,  sometimes it's like bumper cars for real!  Btw, unleaded gas did cut down a lot on some types of pollution but then the number of vehicles and roads kept growing and growing!  Note below: part of that road is elevated on top of another road, don't know the location but I've been on ones like that in Texas where most everything is Big.

(just a random fact and not as big as Australia which is 10-11 times its size ;-)

38 minutes ago, doc benway said:

 

I had a chance to spend some time visiting an intentional community based on Rudolph Steiner and theosophical principles. Very interesting and mostly self-sufficient community, particularly the elder care and biodynamic farming, but not quite my cup of tea.

 

I think one of Jiddu Krishnamurti’s most insightful and valuable actions was rejecting the Theosophists’ mantle of world teacher and disbanding of the Order of the Star. This refusal to participate in the hierarchy prevented yet another cult of spiritual control and empowered the individual in all matters of spiritual investigation, perhaps the most important thing I gained from his teachings. 

in many instances  worldly powers turned Jesus into a cult,  He didn't but He saw that coming.  Btw I'd say there is nothing wrong with recognizing hierarchy based on Spirit and not ego...   

Also did not JK establish a non-cult cult? 

58 minutes ago, Apech said:

Yes, let us celebrate as only the mystery schools of Alexandria knew how.  Cucumber sandwiches cut into Gnostic triangles and served on the best china. With a pot of tea shared between us.  Perhaps a few biscuits or scones with cream and jam.  While we speak in Pythagorean verse and draw signs in the air with our forefingers.  And curse the demiurge and the fallen star of Lucifer. Then summon a sweeter muse that arrives on a gentle breeze and shakes the hibiscus bloom.

 

a poet of sorts, cool.

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

 

 

If I disagreed with you, would I be allowed to say so?  In the US I am not permitted to loot your businesses, graffiti your garden walls or spit on your security guards, no matter how strong my feelings, but I can still say my piece.  In this respect, the constitution still stands.  

 

But this post of mine, like yours before me,  is current event talk, and the rules of this forum are stricter than the rules of the street.  I am willing to stop.  Are you?

the constitution stands for a heck of a lot more than just that, and thousands of GI's have given their lives so the rest of us in the US. would have certain rights which we often take for granted!  (aka forever events)