old3bob

don't know about that stone but I like the enneagram of perpetual motion/energy... See link: https://www.ouspenskytoday.org/wp/about-teaching-today/enneagram-in-motion/

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some might, helps them fly better, btw what about people with stub like tails?

Have not looked it in scripture yet but here is something: (fyi i'm not a Buddhist but have studied some of it) Paraphrasing Zen Priest Kobutsu Shindo, the first thing the Buddha said when he awakened was, “Wonder of wonders, all beings are truly enlightened.” when death dies then sorrow and doubt also dies...

partly agreed imo, and I'll say next is not a match in analogy but there is that saying about dropping ones raft after crossing a river, problem is that its unwise to drop the raft (or trustworthy teacher) in the middle of the river.

I could dig up the text/sutta that I once read, then again Mark may have it on tips of his fingers for us

if so why and if one recognizes the historic Buddha then why did he proclaim "wonder of wonders" and so much more?

yea but only one was left in the end, the rest had their heads chopped off.

of course "we" don't have proof either that they were all just fairy tells just because they don't fit into what we know of the world taken at the mundane level.

I'd say far more more important than prolonging physical age is the souls realization of the Self. (as pointed to in the Upanishads) The teaching is that the Self does not become immortal or eternal it has always been so, beyond death , change, etc.. Of course that also can not be proven except to one per first hand experience.

yea, makes one wonder about those very old timers in O.T., were those accounts all just fairy tails? I don't know. If I remember correctly several Hunza people have reached 120+ without being in a mystery school.

well there have been accounts of the very long lived people in parts of the world who had pretty good proof of being 150+ years of age but few believe them or want to and just write them off because they don't fit into their reality. (there goes that "we" again ) Souls live on in far more subtle realms than just the physical...and for the Buddhists the historic Buddha said he lived through so many incarnations that they were more or less beyond count...

Btw. Taoism has several levels of "immortals", who is the "we" you are talking about Maddie; many would say otherwise based on their first hand experience which of course they can not prove to somebody else. If all the "we's" want proof they are gonna have to realize it for themselves! (books, second hand accounts and pointers are not and never will be proof enough)

Oak, you got it all wrong , no one is ignorant if they don't agree with someone else's notions, opinions, interpretations, or subjective experience's! As for the many so called facts out there, especially "spiritual" ones many of those may not be so clear or agreed upon either (x10,000), for instance most religions or ways end up with lots of variations! Sure there are some agreed upon, long standing mundane facts that apply to the physical world which are hard for anyone to argue about...like the earth is no longer flat and ships will not sail off the flat ends which was what some people believed for awhile. Anyway stuff your freaking and presumed insults towards me they are so shallow and juvenile its pitiful!

seeing people starve, freeze, or very ill

I agree with blue eyed snake about those things for basic needs and survival. and I'd add clothing, more livable land per climate, some medicine, and people with basic skills for same.

.Ok I thought you meant the more orthodox Rabbi's and Jews.

true in a lot of ways but then there is that which has a lot of across the board intrinsic value and which mankind has also fought hard for or against one another.

interesting, did not know that. Do you have examples?

Fiat money has always been more or less a lie...and sooner or later collapses. We can keep printing paper but 33-34 trillion bucks in debt is the reality...

give some examples or sayings along this line if you are inclined to do so: "to whom much is given much is expected" "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it" too much of a good thing gone awry "don't bite off more than you can chew" "The truth will set you free" "I had it and I lost it"

I did not say anything about the many interpretations/commentaries on the Bible, including the esoteric or largely unknown and also very subjective per individual experience thus not being main stream. It sounds to me like that may be what you are mixing in with the quote from Swami Yogananda and expecting such information and conclusions to be included in our short exchange? whereas I meant just read the Bible text as it is and as many people do and thus they end up with information that says the earth is only around 10,000 years old, eternal damnation, etc. etc. Jesus is a truly great golden soul per my subjective and fortunate experience and which I can not prove to anyone, and btw. I'd also say that Yoganada's take can also not be proved unless someone experiences same first hand! Anyway Jesus has been co-opted 10,000 ways by thousands of ism's which are about impossible for a regular Joe or Jane to untangle, and which many do not even think of untangling!

sure you do...

your game? -squawk and avoid the Bible text,

read your Bible