old3bob

and Jesus saying the following about the humans who crucified him, "Forgive them Father they know not what they do". But he was not so kind when speaking to or about demonic beings in Revelations and elsewhere. Is that something some well meaning Christian's don't understand and thus also try to apply forgiveness to demonic forces?

what? i like Bud light but Modelo more.

well there is the case of having kind thoughts while somebody may be killing you, like Mahatma Gandhi had. (a rare case)

but while drinking vegetarian beer together that should not be to hard?

and to give a biblical paraphrase that goes along that line: "it not what goes into the mouth but what come out of it..." but don't tell that to a hard core vegetarian.

is it really possible to be (humanly) kind/aka non-violent while killing somebody, as Krishna more or less taught before the great and bloody slaughter of battle recounted in the Bhagavad Gita took place?

not sure if that was directed at old3bob but he did mention karma yoga earlier which you seemingly ignored the import of while harping on your favorite of Buddhism...

ok, "if", and lots of other aspects besides just fear.

in the know platitude's galore, try to stop them...

metaphysical platitudes mean well but are very limited...

ideally...

ok, and the word ourselves would be more fitting imo. Thus not just a working on ourselves but at the same time a working for karma yoga that impacts and effects all of us.

ok, and while you are at it Luke take a good look at well recorded history that shows when and how those humanistic virtues are or have been systematically destroyed and how naivety about that destruction continues and does not help preserve same...Granted we can still find some safe places and kindness in mankind for awhile but for how long and where as we also see malicious darkness and murder making gains, where do North Koreans, Russians, Chinese, many South and Central American peoples, many Indonesian's, Mexicans, many middle Eastern and far East peoples, many Europeans, Nordic areas of peoples, Ukrainian's, countless indigenous peoples, Africans, many various Asians and also North Americans go to or how they hopefully maintain such freedoms without a fight for same or to reclaim such on multiple levels? (and lets not forget some Australian peoples who have suffered greatly from genocide as have many Indian peoples around the world have , along with many Indian people in India and countries nearby it whose people suffer in crushing poverty!)

and some are not afraid since they know that their all mighty intellect is far superior to what they label as opiates of religious and spiritual folks...

ask all the enlightened or advanced masters and students worth their salt why they are not afraid to use terms like "evil, demonic, and hell realms or beings" in their spiritual teachings & warnings that give and have protections against same, (along with graphic depiction's of such like on the Tibetan Wheel of Life and so many other examples across a very board spectrum of ways and religions) some of which have lineages and precepts going back thousands of years...

well I'd say much of what passes for human affairs takes place on the surface (so to speak) but that there can also be elements underneath that which are demonic affairs that sometimes seduce, drive or infect impressionable humans . We also have some people who willfully and knowingly align themselves with evil. I'd also add that it is impossible to be truly enlightened without facing and overcoming any evil that may be in oneself and also outside oneself. (along with any pretenses or silences of being above it all and or that ignoring same is nuts)

when there was more of a balance at various times and places....lets remember the wounded can be the most dangerous and the evil on Earth knows its days are numbered thus its doing as much damage as possible before then. Btw, you got to be kidding about a review since this is a spiritual topic...that applies to most all people and their lives in one way or another here on earth. Was the holocaust only political or also of great spiritual darkness....

your last sentence was fine imo, the rest sounded like foolish B.S.

The adharmic actions per the lowest chakras and their related hell realms and their evils are described in Hinduism as: "While the main seven-chakra system ends at the Muladhara (root chakra), some traditions describe seven additional chakras below it, extending down the legs and feet, representing deeper primal instincts, fears, and connections to the earth, including Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Rasatala, Mahatala, and Patala" with the patala being of ruthless malice and horrible murder which we are seeing a lot of manifestation of same talking place on Earth and which btw philosophical, non-dualistic and or humanistic talk is out-right mocked and laughed at by beings operating in those lower realms. The only things that such evil recognizes are great will power and the purity of spiritual light directed against it. There is light at the end of tunnel so hanging on and guarding at muladhara and above is what all wholesome spiritual teachings are about, if we fall lower there is hell to pay.

me thinks emanation is also and accurate pointer, and it could be said that with more permutations the more intent normally gets watered down in the manifest.

well heck don't forget we are "created in the image of God" As for duality it is connected to non-duality, or the manifest is connected to the unmanifest, so who decides what is real and not real if such is accepted? (or where reality or non-reality begins and ends) Many have trouble with the term "God" since much of mankind has created God in their image.

on random association how about those female underhand softball pitchers that throw really fast! (listen to the sweet sound of the ball hitting the catchers mit near 80 mph!)

(May have posted this before, sorry it may not apply to struggling or younger folks )

Btw, there has been speculations about reincarnating into the past to correct past karma making for better outcomes down the line... (haven't come across that speculation here which happens to include some Bible verses (believe it or not Ripley) )

haha, reminds me of when I played catcher in little league without something like that which was a mistake! (besides thinking I could also be a pitcher which was true until someone went up to bat)