old3bob

" "I said I wouldn't be morally troubled by it, but yes, I do think that there are points in which the morally 'right' thing to do is to cause suffering..." Paradoxal The "Right" thing to do is not to swallow such dark crap!!

people can have reams of hard proven, undeniable facts covering a wide array of issues from reliable and respected sources or from first hand witness's about what a perpetrator has repeatedly gotten away with over for a long periods of time. Such facts are far more than what should not just to be written off as opinions or tit for tat banter, why - because a great number of people, places and things have been seriously harmed, yet the perpetrator has never really been held accountable!!

sounds like you described Osho in Oregon... btw it also sounds like you are grinding a big ax?

um, no.

just testing 1, 2, 3, testing 1 ,2, 3 seems to be working today, although approval need is still in force ;-)

ok, that's the dualistic take,

I'd say what differentiates us is our individual and unique souls, but when soul merges with God then that unique soul (of woven light) no longer exists, for then there is only "God"... same as when a unique drop water merges into the ocean then there is only the ocean...anybody ready to give up being a super duper and still individual soul identity?

A "constantly" from me is not so, Jesus Christ.

Their days are numbered and they know it but are having a hell of a horrific time !! (of fear, malice, mayhem and murder)

And lots more "problems" throughout history besides just those, the list and notes related to same would be too long to list here! Btw here is a big one: Modern India was shaped by Mahatma Gandhi with his involvement in politics being front and center! He even got the British to help with the partition even if much of that went all to hell. The book, "Freedom at midnight" recounts that time with intense examples!

He made insulting assumptions I'd add...and a high and mighty you, you and you lecture.

how many of us can or will remain safe and comfortable until the adharmic stuff comes knocking on our door and sends us or loved ones off to some distant prison or worse?

I don't come here to have an ivory tower experience or to give one, or to find an all knowing guru although some of us may need that at times. Btw, bad vibes to me also includes apathy or ignoring events that affect all of us whether we like it or not. And again politics ranges in subjects and areas from A-Z with both humanistic and adharmic events and people, thus more than just a "don't worry be happy" song.

considering your earlier posts that sounds contradictory about the subject.

sounds like another form of being consumed...

I'd say politics in various forms in various areas is a lot bigger than such a narrow definition as you imply. Yea there is that which is beyond form and human beings, but 99.99 % of what is going on with people on the earth is in various ways is related to politics. (which is not just a hobby beneath an above all attitude!)

interesting reference, my take is somewhat different in that after 'God" only knows how long that even the dark souls who were defeated and cast out (to what is called "outer darkness" by some) will also "return" at the end of time (s), space (s) and form (s). until the next cosmic cycle....

further meaning the Earth is evolving even though it may not seem so right now and at a certain point the demonic forces and those that follow such ways will no longer be able to (astrally) break through to influence, stick around or incarnate here because of the high purity and law that will be in force with the evolution of this Earth realm.

people enthralled by and under a massive/mob like spell in which actions of and for decent humanistic reason get undone, or are way out-numbered by violence in multiple forms...but not forever. It is easy to run downhill until one crashes at the bottom...

there are categories to deal with but there is that beyond categories. We could also walk around repeating to ourselves and others Self, Self, Self or no-self, no-self, no- self but I'd say such is not going to go beyond categories in steps. (or thoughts on same which is not the same)

Self is transcendent or can't really be nailed down but Prana/all energy is manifest as in "springing forth"

here is another: "Nyad tells the story of Diana Nyad, a marathon swimmer who broke records and achieved a number of firsts in the sport. At the age of 60, she decided to complete the feat she wasn’t able to when she was 28—swim the more than 100 miles from Cuba to Florida without the aid of a shark cage, powered only by her stubborn will and swimming prowess. The Cuba to Florida crossing, through the Florida Straits, has long held a mystique for marathon swimmers for its challenging conditions. Unlike the English Channel, where the water temperature averages about 62F, the Florida waters are warmer, in the 80F range, but that also means they are home to dangerous marine life—most notably sharks and box jellyfish, whose stings can transfer enough toxin to paralyze and even kill a person. The Gulf Stream also makes the currents quixotic, so if a swimmer isn't guided by a seasoned navigator, she could find herself pushed off course into the Gulf of Mexico or toward the Bahamas. A few people had attempted it, but only with shark cages, including Nyad during that first try in her 20s...." https://time.com/6330894/nyad-movie-true-story-netflix/

In Hindu terms I'd say all Prana which makes all things possible is not the Self but is connected to and manifested from the Self...

here we go ;-) “There is a beginning. There is no beginning of that beginning. There is no beginning of that no beginning of beginning. There is something. There is nothing. There is something before the beginning of something and nothing, and something before that. Suddenly there is something and nothing. But between something and nothing, I still don't really know which is something and which is nothing. Now, I've just said something, but I don't really know whether I've said anything or not.” ― Zhuangzi

I suggest putting that on wait and see until you see more... (btw the good guys do not "lord it over" with power on the rest of us)