old3bob

for human beings and all other beings there are dharmic rules or laws and related consequences if broken...thus not so different in result. The "kindness to the unkind" aspect you speak of hopefully kicks into the awareness of the offender quickly or at least after eons...

like every vow and precept that an order has. Annihilation of ego is one thing but that is not annihilation of Self or Spirit which is not on a slippery slope and may be exacting or compassionate depending on the case...(which btw is not really comprehensible to the human mind since same is beyond it)

deep diplomatic thinking as usual on your part Steve.... then again we dont' have to over think a case where student (new or advanced) breaks the vows or precepts of an order that they belong to is not automatically forgiven by the lineage holder unless they go through some type of repentance or corrections of varying degrees depending on the offense....and if they don't do that they are simply kicked out, or maybe worse karma than that will come their way.

Wow, that is incredible and another example among countless others that shows how lust for power corrupts...

bummer, what about forest service type regs on that?

well there is that saying about "no blame" which is more or less transcendent but when there are two parties I'd say there will be an "I" with an associated "give", thus no getting around that karmic situation unless one is actually transcendent and not of just of misplaced wishful thinking of themselves as being holy or above it all.

and perhaps some folks would comment on the last sentence, namely: Then again there is also the aspect or act of not burning oneself up with bitterness if repentance was never given, and thus not easy to deal with also "seventy times seven" ! which could also be lurking in other ways or degrees subconsciously for a long time...

you didn't ask me but I'd say no, never do any kind of advanced practices without true guru guidance/insight, why, because the farther one climbs the farther the potential fall ! Thus a step by step process along with a rock solid foundation that is also continually practiced or made stronger. Btw many may claim to be true guru but true guru or Sat Guru is rare.

Thank you Mr. Cash !!

Thank you Steve.

I did a quick look for the video mentioned and didn't find it? Anyway someone went to a lot of trouble to make a touching video if that is what happened...

where is at?

Some eastern ways and or teachers proclaim everything is perfect.... I'd say that is true and dandy for the Transcendent that is perfect and "beyond" suffering, it not so true and dandy for those suffering and short of Transcendent Freedom/Being. It's nuts to me to hear of the denial of suffering as being non-existent (aka intellectual by-passing) since it is a core teaching to overcome forms of suffering for most eastern way students and to also help others overcome same. Anyhow one can walk around all day long quoting so and so and say, "all is perfect" but I'd say that is not real (or of an actual realization) until it is so via attainment of Transcendent Freedom/Being.

Why is Lord Shiva called Neelkanth? During the churning of the cosmic ocean (Samudra Manthan), a deadly poison known as Halahala emerged, powerful enough to destroy the universe. To protect all of creation, Shiva selflessly consumed the poison, holding it in his throat. His neck turned blue from its impact, earning him the name Neelkanth, the one with the blue throat.

and certain brands of beer...but not Modelo imo.

true from just or only varying human perspectives, and I'd say that if only varying human perspectives were possible then we'd be SOL to ever know, be satisfied, and rest in a greater truth and beingness/source that is beyond change, corruption, ups and downs, etc..

Thanks, btw who doesn't suffer in one way or another over the adharmic or evil in the world including self realized saints and masters? (that feel for their students and all beings)

the working of karma is perfect but karma itself veils the perfect....

right, thanks

not needed since you come off as seemingly knowing everything from A-Z...

"cherry picking" is not exactly a diplomatic term as generally used in conversation, if used for picking a motor out of car it has a more precise in meaning. And to me your explanation leaves lots of room for further interpretation. Btw, I'd say most Buddhists know of the story in their doctrine of how the historic Buddha almost killed himself through extreme methods that he picked which If I remember correctly included near starvation as being one of them...

think about your first sentence above Keith....Did not the historic Buddha teach to question things which you seem to be demeaning by calling it cherry picking? Btw did not that Buddha also do his share or forms of cherry picking along the way which almost killed him?

and of course Advaita Vedanta is only one of the many schools that range from A-Z in Hinduism (so to speak) and thus does represent all of Hinduism as some seem to take for granted.

not the same when or if written off as or bound in illusion.

well I'm no expert but I'd add free of karma and any mental or emotional form of conditioning...