old3bob

Maybe you've got a problem saying that just asking about that could be a problem.

some say never say never. (when the world and people are forever changing this and that way )

Note about the quote above: it mentions "individual soul" yet I'd say Brahman or The Self is not a particular individual or soul per major Hindu teachings; it also seems to allude to the idea that illusion or maya manifests from non-illusion or Brahman which is self-contradictory. It makes sense to me when or if schools more or less beat around the bush about a bush that can't really be nailed down intellectually, although that may also have problems if one keeps beating forever and never has resolution. Btw. I'll buy your insight about an incomplete understanding...

On a tangent about judgement; I have to say that to me Master Jesus hit the nail on the head when He said to a gathering that was getting ready to stone a woman to death, "let any among you without sin cast the first stone", and none could.

Apathy is apathy not something high and mighty or deep...

If someone has worked out related types of karma on a subject then it is no longer in them, which does not mean they can't like it and thus fight for dharmic truth... Btw there was a world of hurt that Gandhi (and countless others over the ages) did not like and who thus fought for truth!!

"Advaita Vedanta is a major school of Hindu philosophy (darshan) focusing on non-dualism, positing that the individual soul is identical to the ultimate, formless reality Propounded by Adi Shankara, it teaches that only Brahman is real, while the perceived, diverse world (aka duality, my insert) is a manifestation of illusion maya" from Ai And it sounds to me like some or certain schools related to Buddhism and their interpretation's are along that line.

right, don't know much about it but it looks messy in picture below. Wonder if a earth ear, nose and throat specialist could help this guy?

Thank you Mark, that was finely written and informative! "The fundamental point sits zazen, and what is that other than this consciousness, right here?" Can seem like light years away but is always right under our noses, so to speak...

who is supplying the ectoplasm, and is it organic non-gmo?

not so for some schools...

in non-dualism ok but not in dualism...with some schools in complete denial of dualism which is not my cup of tea.

which is what i more or less implied....yes?

I'd say as long as there is time and space and vast multitudes of various emanations repeating in endless cycles, then there is also dharma and adharma going on. I also like that saying along the lines of : "samsara properly understood is nirvana"

ok, true mystics are not limited to the 100% dualistic orthodox Bible interpretations via its text or other such teachings. In fact some outspoken or otherwise mystics have been murdered by "orthodox" forces over the years.

if dharma is delusion then we're in nihilistic like trouble...or such trouble is ready to take over anytime, anywhere with anyone. I prefer to put unanswered questions on an agnostic like shelf where they don't have to immediately be black or white. Btw, some tricksters (obvious or not) can also be taken as teachers.

if dharma is delusion then we're in nihilistic like trouble...or such trouble is ready to take over anytime, anywhere with anyone. I prefer to put unanswered questions on an agnostic like shelf where they don't have to immediately be black or white. Btw, some tricksters (obvious or not) can also be taken as teachers.

Haribol, to me your quotes are strangely located after the Nataraja image and quote? FYI I did bring up the Bible one about not to worry earlier. Btw, dualistic orthodox Abrahamic religion's per the Bible and other Abrahamic related teachings will never cross the bridge to non-dualism. Agreed?

Where and when does evolution take place? Only in times and spaces, yes? Earlier we talked about human identity as passing and apparent, thus would you agree same is taking place or evolving in times and spaces... anyway I'm not saying a passing and apparent identity can be equated to the Self but that in unwinding a passing and apparent identity (which is noble work and purposeful to find freedom) then what is left or what was always there, thus free of being bound in times and spaces or limited to a particular form, whether it be as a human or a god? I'd say that That is ultimately realized as Truest identity.

Although I'd say time and space in time and space realms (which vary) apply and thus should not be written off as some kind of delusion.

and I'd say such a "sudden" which is now, is not really of time or on a time line.... (thus not strictly bound in ways that we might think)

That's evolution, yes? In Hinduism in general the Self does not evolve and knows the Self by the Self. (with a pure mind being a great and important tool and preparation but not the Self, nor can mind cross the barrier of things which it is part of to reach or know the Self)

"...We remain human..." By Steve, I wasn't sure of your import there (?) but 'if' we remain human then we have not yet realized that being identified as a particular human/mind is only an apparent and passing identity.

not many advanced teachers are married with multiple kids and a 9-5 job of working 45-60 hrs+ a week along with a travel commute, and that is only part of the package of dealing with all the other demands of being a householder in the world! Young kids alone are almost a 24-7 job for one of their parents, or if and when they switch on and off. Ad taking care of parents and grandparents to that...