old3bob

not to worry I think I heard hell is also empty....

so some seem to see no difference (or a cut off or on point so to speak) between just verbal/non-verbal interaction and interaction at much stronger levels of energy that can have far more serious results. I'd say that idea is bogus as it can be !

hmm, not so in the sense of magnitudes, I'd say "resist not evil" is coping via spiritual phycological methods whereas in more violent situations different means are rightly called for. That is unless one is a 100% pacifist no matter what and is prepared to suffer whatever is dished out. (?) Examples: a verbal confrontation that starts and ends that way compared to a life or death fight that also starts and ends that way. (there are also progressions, namely escalations or de-escalations that start and end in one way or another)

Well that saying is along the lines of not getting caught up in or being reactive too evil which I'd say works to a point, but the point can also come when being a pacifist, "turning the other cheek", ignoring, or acting above it all during developing and dire situations no longer works. (or is applicable)

philosophy on a matter can be interesting but is not exactly a personal cut off point... (so to speak)

Praying for them to visit and making an offering, that might work. On a different subject I loved watching "Sea Hunt" with Lloyd Bridges when I was a kid. Great scuba diving episodes! Also like the work of his sons Jeff and Beau.

Oh happy whale , Have been real close to a gray whale in the water on my surfboard in southern Cal; btw. being near their big back flipper is not where one wants to be! Surfers like it when dolphins are around since they tend to keep sharks away.

hell, I don't know maybe I was older then I'm younger than that now...

if you run into heavy seas along the way I hear there is a yellow submarine out there somewhere (which people live on) that could safely take you beneath the waves....

or I'd say incomplete perception as the "genius" of Buddhism points out...

Best wishes Bindi on what you are dealing with and going through...I'm not a qualified member of a Saivite school but have studied some of their teachings and have been fortunate (guest) to have met qualified members/teachers. Considering your interest and studies of Shiva/Shakti have you met members or teachers of any of the 6 main Saivite schools for further information, help or involvement therein? I'd say these powerful forces you are experiencing can come across in multiple ways for instance in a fierce Rudra aspect (like you describe) or in a benevolent and revealing grace aspect depending on where a person is at. "Fear not" is a key and bottom line saying of the higher force but that is easier heard than done for many of us struggling as human beings to take in. Something or ego has to give - so to speak, since it won't be Supreme Being or whatever term one relates to... I'd also say that for me the Lord Nataraja (cosmic dancer) related Saivite teachings cover the bases very well ! Om Shanti Om Peace

well to me there is conscious mind that works like a computer with hardware and software, which Spirit can see through. there is also conscious mind identity as human ego which sounds more like what you mean, (?) along with it surrendering to higher Self thus knowing its place as servant and not as master as it would like to be.

its not that big of a biggy and I've also done my share of it, but is still something to consider about interjecting.

"I would suggest that Shakti isn’t about bliss, but burning karma at the heart level. This is required as a step towards going beyond conditioning. But it’s not her job to do the next step, which is to burn karma and destroy conditioning at the head level. That’s Shiva’s job. He’s the one that goes beyond identification with the “individual acquired mind.” Shakti doesn't" Bindi Satchitananda is said to be It by some or many schools and is described further in the following Ai excerpt : "In Sanskrit, "Sat Chit Ananda" is written as सच्चिदानन्द. It is a compound word made up of three Sanskrit terms: sat (सत्), chit (चित्), and ananda (आनन्द). These translate to "existence," "consciousness," and "bliss," respectively. Therefore, Sat Chit Ananda is often translated as "existence-consciousness-bliss" or "truth-consciousness-bliss". This is the context I relate to when it comes to term the Shakti at its purest and deepest level. Some schools say that is It, although other schools say Satchitananda is "Samadhi with seed" whereas in some schools Shiva/Self is transcendent beyond all categories thus Samadhi without seed. And yes, unless karmic "seeds" are burnt as you say, and which I'd say is done through yoga's and a teachers help, otherwise identification in whatever category one was about will at some point come back. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "A rough sketch that embraces the need for duality in spirituality is long overdue though. If the conscious mind doesn’t understand the importance of duality, it’s never going to lead you down the path towards Shakti and Shiva." Bindi Sure, getting a handle on dealing with duality is needed and can not be by-passed but that is during transition is it not? In other words to me Non-duality is big enough for duality, although some or many wouldn't agree with that. As for the conscious mind I'd say it has its place along with its limits, meaning it can not deliver on the full freedom of Shakti/Shiva unity where it does not have the power or Beingness to reach. ---------------------------------------------------------------- "I don’t think the transcendent just falls into place, I think it’s a hard slog up a very tall mountain, and then some. Dismantling conditioning on both conscious and unconscious levels is hard work." Bindi What I meant might be better said with Its already and forever in place but our attempts to nail it down with our minds is not going to reveal It, although all the hard work you speak of is our part in important preparation, while revealing Grace (an aspect of Shiva) is beyond any work or preparation that we can do of ourselves. ------------------------------------------- Another great teaching to me from Hinduism is given about Rama and Sita which has some parallels with Shiva and Parvati.

there is also an Alaskan island not far from or in the 'ring of fire' called Amchitka. It had three underground nuclear tests done on it: Long Shot (1965), Milrow (1969), and Cannikin (1971). The fact of those tests being done near a major earthquake zone was kind of risky and an unknown; thus some people plausibly thought that the power of those bombs could trigger a major earthquake! (along with a monster tsunami) Many of us living far away on the north shore of Oahu back in 71 were warned to keep listening for updates on the radio after the blast just in case such waves were headed our way. Being extra cautious several of us walked way up into the hills that day after notification of the bomb blast but where we could still see the ocean below since we didn't completely trust in the radio reports. No waves ever came but we did enjoy having a beautiful day up on hillsides!

did I ask your opinion or his...

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hmm, are you getting away with personal politics

when are you going to write a longer script and make a movie out of this?

sure, and preferably as healthy as possible, I've always loved homemade oatmeal raisin ones.

So we could follow up with why isn't pure shakti/bliss enough since it is a long, long ways advanced down the path and way ahead of the game for many of us yet is also something to be very thankful for if felt! Btw. it's also more or less problematic to keep speaking and conceptualizing endlessly in trying to map out the transcendent since doing that is also "not enough". Alas, the best possible map is still only a map. I'd say as human beings we can have and know certain levels of satisfaction in doing small or simple things well (which is enough in that moment) for then the big things (or transcendent) will fall into place where it already is and has always has been, so to speak. That saying about chopping wood and carrying water before and after enlightenment (in a manner of speaking) is a fine one.

well baked cookie....

in the meantime which way to the kitchen, I'm hungry, btw when will be done with digging ditch's and falling into them?

well he might be amendable by tempting with tuna or liver which most cats can't resist...

the absurdity to deny or ignore politics: the kitchen may get or be hot but it is not for half baking, btw there are both small and big fish to fry.