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Then you aren't reading properly. I'll make it clear for you in this reply.

The name I AM is affirmed in both the OT and NT.

Jesus affirms that it's his name in the book of John. The Pharisees knew he was referring to God and him saying that name made him claim to be equal to him.

As for God and Lord, those are not names..but titles. His name is I AM. God and lord are titles given to him. He told Moses that his ancestors called him Elohim but he didn't reveal to them his true name yet. Read the story of Jacob wrestling God. My first response was to the person who said "God had many names". He has many titles, but only one name..I AM. Read Exodus dude. The roman church replaced his name with "The Lord" throughout the rest of the Bible. When it's YAH. 

As for the spiritual meanings of the Tanakh. I never once claimed that the events never happened and that wars weren't real. I said that the stories were to bring a spiritual meaning and understanding to oneself. The OT is about knowing yourself, the NT is about understanding what the scriptures in the OT were written for.

The trinity is symbolic for the human body. Father mind, Son heart, Holy Spirit Life force

And lastly my experiences are based upon studies and real world interactions.

Anything other than that are just me and you going back and forth on what we've learned over the years..and they'll be no end to that.

God is spirit and truth...I AM is spirit and truth. If you want the various ways to know Gods nature then simply read the scriptures. Other than that, we'll disagree.

53 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Well, he first claimed  'the Bible'   but  when I refuted his claim he switched to some rave about  Hebrew culture, history and The Tanakh ...   ? 

If this is referring to me I made it clear that it's in the book of John. And it is also addressed throughout the OT. Are you reading my replies ?

42 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

Nope ... when the term  'Adonai' appears   that is translated as 'Lord' .   The Bible also used YHWH and Adonai  ,  El, Eloah  as 'God' , Elohim as 'Gods, Shaddai as 'God Almighty'  , etc . 

Smh...Adonai is not a name. Neither is Elohim. Those are titles.

God told Moses that he didn't reveal his name to his forefathers for a reason. Instead he preferred being called Elohim. BUT that's not his real name. I Am is his name. Elohim is a title people subject to him.

33 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Now you are ascribing the Christian  Holy Spirit to the Hebrew concept of  ruach ha-kodesh : רוח הקודש,  Judaism has nothing to do with Christian Trinitarianism .  

 

In Christian Kabbalah  Holy Spirit is ' Sophia' -   Wisdom  and resides in the Supernal Triangle and  not down near  Yesod  (below Son / Heart ) , which is the usual attribution for the 'sexual energy / force ' .

 

What is your source on this ?    (Aside from your affirmation of 'real experience with it '  ? )

I don't believe in the trinity. The Holy Spirit is in you. And yes it is the sexual force of life. Do research and you'll see. Wisdom falls under the same belt. When I say sex I don't mean sex as intercourse

53 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Sorry Dude ... be as cryptic and symbolic with it as you like .  You do realise that some of the 'God's orders' to go make war actually  happened and is in history and the archaeological record  ? 

 

I suppose though you will say all those people back then got it wrong as they don't ascribe to this modern esoteric symbolic all encompassing interpretation  ?  

Never said the events weren't real. War is real and in many ways necessary . It's the meaning behind it and the lesson meant to be taught

I grew up in a family of missionaries. At a young age I was dedicated  to serving others and people in my community. I come from a poor neighborhood that was full of issues.

My parents loved me deeply. They taught me spiritual matters as a child. My younger days was full of culture, history and music. I was very creative and I was always doing stuff to stimulate my mind. As I got older I became more aware of certain gifts I knew I had. I'm very clairvoyant and I have gifts in healing. This was passed down to me from my mother. I consider her a physic, but since we came from a Protestant background I just considered her a prophet. Lots of crazy things happened during my childhood and puberty. I remember when I was 13 I woke up and there were spots all over me. The doctor said nothing was wrong with me though. It went away on its own..Also had deep dreams and prophetic moments.

My Dad taught me how to conduct myself in the streets. Brooklyn is a rough neighborhood and I always stayed to myself and learned to take care of myself.

Growing up I knew that there was more to the Bible than what the European church made it to be. The blonde blue eyed Jesus was a joke to me. I always had a deep interest in science and mysticism. I saw the Bible as a book of mysticism and science. Things changed for me when I turned 16..

When I was 16 in the year 2007 something happened to me. It was like a flash of light. Afterwards I became EMPTY. It's weird. I no longer felt separate from God. But I saw God as the "heart" of all things. My life changed forever after that. Religion was something I left. I wanted to return to "the essence". I also began understanding the Bible more. I no longer read it in a religious way. But in a spiritual way.

As the years gone by 2012 became another year of spiritual awakening for me. I began feeling sharp pains in my chest and more on the top center of my head. Everytime I went to the hospital the docs would say nothing was wrong with me...but there was. And it was the church.

My dad realized that although he respected his religion, the church was taking him away from his "real self". And I was resonating with him. He decided to leave his ministry and seek a genuine life where he was free to be "him".

I was at this youth group one night and I disagreed with the teacher there. They claimed that if you committed suicide Jesus would send you to Hell forever. I told him no one can truly die because I AM (God) is the life inside all of us. Death is not a physical matter but a spiritual one that brings rebirth.

They KICKED me out...in a heartbeat..in front of everyone lol

Later that year in 2012 I left the church completely. And that's when I finally established "my path". My spiritual awareness became better and I began understanding things never before. 

Im thankful for the events in my life. I have a deeper connection with my "I Am", and that allows me to connect with everything else because everything is an extension of yourself.

Im not bashing religion. I still read and study the Kabbalah, biblical scriptures and other esoteric practices such as numerology, astrology etc. But I believe if it weren't for that, I wouldn't be where I am today. I seek to be EMPTY. I seek to be nothing..

We should respect religion because it is a stepping stone for us to bring us back to ourselves. But when the ego becomes too deeply involved we lose track, and all we're left with is a "religion". I hope this has inspired someone

7 minutes ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

Popeye bible is worth a read for a deeper understanding. Popeye points out the many ancient systems systematical used in creating the bible. He examines how the traditions are bent to serve the porpoise of genocide which in this case is a very noble and holy thing indeed unless you are one of the "others" then it is not a very good thing for humanity

Thanks...now I want some Popeyes chicken..

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10 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

The psalms are not part of the gospels. It is again the Old Testament. So I assume you do not know of any place where Jesus teaches the I am concept that you described or it is described anywhere in the gospels? 

 

Also, the original Greek versions of the gospels are still available.

Read the book of John dude lol

Aperion also just posted and answered you. After Jesus said I Am the Pharisees wanted to kill him because he said his name. Making himself equal to him

And to understand the NT you have to read the OT and vice versa 

In conclusion I agree with Chersire Cat.

The Bible doesn't talk about God

It talks about your highest self..

Father (Mind/Crown chakra)

Son (Heart)

Holy Spirit (Sexual energy/force)

You guys can study the Kabbalah and really dig deep into the meaning of these terms

9 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

Where does Jesus say anything like the name of God is I Am in the gospels? 

If you read the book of Psalms David is also very poetic about Gods name. 

Problem is the ROMAN CATHLOIC CHURCH took out his name YAH(I AM) and replaced it with "Lord". 

When they edited out out his name throughout the OT people couldn't really feel or understand the verses being said.

Lord doesn't mean anything.. I AM does..

1 minute ago, Nungali said:

 

Maybe  .... but what does  ' I am that I am '  mean   (  אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎,)  again , context !

 

ehyeh asher ehyeh [ehˈje aˈʃer ehˈje]) is the common English translation (JPS among others) of the response that God used in the Hebrew Bible when Moses asked for his name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" in Hebrew; ehyeh is the first person singular imperfect form and is usually translated in English Bibles as "I am" or "I will be" (or "I shall be"), for example, at Exodus 3:14. Ehyeh asher ehyeh literally translates as "I Am Who I Am." The ancient Hebrew of Exodus 3:14 lacks a future tense such as modern English has, yet a few translations render this name as "I Will Be What I Will Be," given the context of Yahweh's promising to be with his people through their future troubles.^[1] Both the literal present tense "I Am" and the future tense "I will be" have given rise to many attendant theological and mystical implications in Jewish tradition. However, in most English Bibles, in particular the King James Version, the phrase is rendered as I am that I am.

Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (often contracted in English as "I AM") is one of the Seven Names of God accorded special care by medieval Jewish tradition.^[2] The phrase is also found in other world religious literature, used to describe the Supreme Being, generally referring back to its use in Exodus. The word Ehyeh is considered by many rabbinical scholars to be a first-person derivation of the Tetragrammaton, see for example Yahweh.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am

 

 

In realktion to 'I am that I am '  from  Cheshire Cat , in relation to warlike advice and orders issued to Jews , from me

 

 

That makes me the archangel of fire  !

 

 

 

 see above

 

 

Then, don't say it   

I've studied everything you've posted and I still stand on what I said. You should study Hebrew culture more and history.

The Tanakh is a spiritual book. The wars in the OT represented the wars inside oneself. 

To burn in fire is to be enlightened and awakened..Fire is a symbol of life and essence.

I AM is the essential nature of something. It's timeless and endless.

"God" is vague because you aren't referring to what god. Is it the life force of all things, or is it something else? You are God, and so is everything else in and around you. You are the I AM. Know your true self and he will be revealed to you in all things. To not know yourself is to worship false idols. 

Simply BE...

Im not just talking out of my ass...I HAVE REAL EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.

Just now, Nungali said:

 

What ?  God has many names in the Bible ... why are you saying it is just 'I am "  ? 

 

I am wondering what the  'reason'   behind you claim is, if it was true anyway ?

 

 

Parts of the Bible seem to say that ... for some .    As you wrote it ^   , that's a bit of a stretch .

 

 

Depends what you mean by 'ego'  I suppose .  Its a very flexible term nowadays

Exodus clearly states that I AM is his true name. Beginning and end. The very true essence of life. If you read the Torah he makes it clear that this is his name because it indicates his nature. He is nature itself. He tells Moses that he hid his name from Abraham but he wanted to finally reveal it to the people of Israel after freeing them from Egypt. Israel is the true self. Egypt represents the ego. The entire Torah is about knowing your true self. Not about religion. The 10 Commandments are the Laws of Cause and effect. Positive and negative. Masculine and feminine. The first commandment summarizes and fulfills the all..Which is I AM..Acknowledging your "I Am" is to know and acknowledge all life itself. Because it is all one

There are many titles used to "describe" him. But the Torah makes it clear that his name is I AM. Jesus also affirms this all throughout the NT. When the Pharisees wanted to kill him for saying his name.

There is power in that phrase. To say I AM you are realizing an essential part of something.

6 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

?     .....    That is an answer to this ; 

 

" But I prefer , when examining Hebrew names of God , to go to a  Hebrew tradition, not a Christian one "

 

Jewish traditions do not understand Jewish words ?  ...    What ?

 

 

What it sounds like depends on the receptor I suppose.  One has to not go on 'what it sounds like'...  merely to  oneself . You have to try and understand it in context of levels and the other names of those levels ... which Is why I posted the charts and the Tree of Life   .

 

It can be interpreted as the  essential existential statement ; an essential awareness without description or qualification  , not something I would attribute to a warlord .... although, in many other cases of communication from Yahweh ... I certainly agree with the Warlord 'tantie'  rant  !  ( Taking that in context and with the actions that followed )

I AM simply means awareness and essence..

where did the idea of a warlord come from? Lol

in hebrew your name indicated your nature

I AM indicates that God is the true essence of all things..

I hate saying the word "God"...it means nothing without a purpose..

A lot of people misinterpret the meanings of the sayings, laws and symbolism in the OT. Mainly because they don't have an understanding of Hebrew culture and esotericism, and because the Roman Catholic Church screwed everything up

On 10/12/2017 at 9:59 PM, Nungali said:

And maybe when it says God  ... it means  you  ?          

Gods name in the Bible is "I AM"..It's that way for a reason

The bible says you are God

The knowledge of good and evil is the ego that separates you from your true essence. From your true self..

On 11/8/2017 at 2:44 PM, ljazztrumpet said:

Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind means, to me, to love everything intensely because everything that is, is God and you are part of that. 

 

Love your neighbor as yourself comes after you've cultivated a sense of love for everything that is. That you realize that everything you are conscious of is really you. When you have cultivated this sense of all-encompassing love then you kind of 'focus down' and go about your practical life and feeling that love you are developing for everything - the everything which is you - and you are feeling that feeling for everyone you see.

 

To me, one is more of a meditative exercise you may do when you're alone and, then, when you are out and about in your daily life interacting with others, you feel that love for all of them. And, perhaps, as you cultivate that love to a high enough level, you see no difference between your 'self' and 'other'. I still think love is the most effective way to break down the illusion of separation, just because it's so experiential. You start to love others more and more because you see them as simply you. I think it's a practice to be cultivated and, i would think, it becomes more and more natural over time. 

This is basically what Jesus emphasized as the fulfillment of the Torah.

God is an empty title. It only means what you choose to give it. Like Nietzsche said, "God is dead.." A lot of people don't understand why he said that..

The best and most authentic way I can describe "the essence" is by the Torah.

In the book of Exodus Moses asks "God" his name and he responds "I AM THAT I AM.."

He didn't say "God" or lord. God is a title that people use to invoke fear and judgement through people.

But when you say I AM, you realize something much deeper. You realize your true essence, and how it is connected to the true essence of everything else without the fallacy of the ego.

I AM is the true essence of all thing in you and around you. In the Bible I AM is also said to be light and fire.

Two elements that symbolize enlightenment..

Can anyone explain here how to be in a Lotus position. My internet is disabled since I'm practicing mental celibacy and only a few sites are available 

When you truly wish to help someone you would also realize when you are not in the position to do so..

Either because of inner conflict or just not being able to have the right mindset to extend yourself..

5 minutes ago, cold said:

 

 

I generally pay pretty good $15.00 an hour ($120.00 a day) its hard work out in the weather yet pan handlers may get twice that and don't have to do much...

I will offer work or share a meal, too often I see them buying booze when they get cash.

Agreed. I usually offer them food instead of cash.

My basic point is that life is simple yet because of our egos we are faced with inner conflict on what we consider "right and wrong". Because of some kind of social and/or religious conditioning we faced..

The only way to truly be compassionate is to be in the moment where you are able to BE that..

imo

lol I'm from and live in Brooklyn and homeless people are everywhere 

Best con men in the world. A lot of those guys are doing a lot better than you think! 

On 11/15/2017 at 0:22 AM, Lost in Translation said:

We all know people who are suffering. Many of us may also be suffering.

 

We cultivate compassion towards others, and towards ourselves. This is good. This is excellent. But what does that actually mean? For example, you know people who are suffering. You feel compassion towards them. What's next? Do you reach out to help? If so, how can you help without enabling? How do you know that your actions are truly compassionate? It may be that the best compassion is to do nothing.

 

Ideas?

I think religion has created this idea that one is "obligated" to help others. And if we don't we suffer damnation

This is wrong. You are not obligated to help others. If there is obligation then that means it is disingenuous. Anything that requires you to "try" to do something good is disingenuous and only reinforces the ego..

The solution is simple...Help when you want to help. And if you don't want to help then simply don't do it. It takes a level of self awareness and honesty to know when you truly want to do something or not.

Our egos are very tricky when it comes to decisions. You may think you're doing it because it's good, but chances are you're doing it because you're expecting a reward or because you hope to escape some kind of "bad karma" BS..

All of it is wrong. Help only when you truly seek to help. And the best way to help, is to simply...BE

If you have to think about doing it, chances are you aren't really doing it. It's your ego. Compassion and forgiveness can only be expressed when you are fully accepting of yourself and the situations that surround you. 

If you feel guilty by not giving that homeless man your pocket change then chances are you would have been lying to yourself if you actually did. Which means, there was no compassion. It was simply a lie..

1 minute ago, thelerner said:

We all howl at the moon sometimes.  Caught at the wrong moment we are at our worst.. random factors align and people lose it.  Often on others who don't deserve the attitude.  Knowing that it happens and cutting ourselves and others some slack, seems an essential skill in life. 

 

Without a constant flow of forgiveness, we'd carry too much mental weight. 

I believe forgiveness is the ultimate skill anyone can learn

1 hour ago, Stosh said:

The sun shines on the wicked and the just alike.

Since there is no static version of you , whatever labels someone used were somewhat correct and incorrect at all times.

You couldn't consider the labels incorrect, if you didn't have an opinion of what the correct label would be , Right? 

Lets say you trend towards being stuck up , well , is that really such a bad or unusual thing? In light of all the traits you could show? 

I think not , plenty of folks get through life like anybody else does , despite the characteristics , which they occasionally exhibit , called foibles. 

People think I am cocky sometimes , so , I tend to play that up till they feel more insecure about themselves ,

I know , I know, its a bad habit , but its like a consolation prize for labeling me. 

 

On the other hand , maybe they aren't so far off the mark , and I can live with that too. 

 

Loved everything about your post 

2 hours ago, Marblehead said:

I agree with you but I still like to use labels.  They offer points of reference.

 

And dualities are a part of the human experiences.  Lao Tzu told us that.

 

It is extremely difficult to have no opinions of our own.  That is, to be beyond good and evil - beyond right and wrong.

 

But I agree with you that we should be our natural self.  When we are born we are neither good or evil, we just are - a blank slate.  Our teachers will determine, in the most part, who we become.

 

 

I believe in duality. But I believe they are connected instead of separate.