Uprooting

On 1.12.2017 at 0:20 AM, Nungali said:

two perspectives on ‘competition’;

 

 

 

Man Friday understood that "the way is the goal."

21 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

the study of human cultures.

Here is another culture and people, ‘frozen  in time'..for now

amazing they still live like this!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese

Thank you, that's so interesting!

21 hours ago, Nungali said:

Errrrmmmm,  not advised to go here:

"In early 1974, a National Geographic film crew went to the island...The boat landed at a point on the coast out of range of the arrows and the police (dressed in jackets with padded armour) landed and left gifts in the sand....The policemen returned to the boat and waited to see the locals' reaction to the gifts. The reaction was to launch another round of arrows, one of which struck the documentary's director in the left thigh. The man who wounded the director withdrew and laughed proudly, sitting in the shade while others speared, then buried, the pig and the doll.

 

On August 2, 1981, the MV Primrose ran aground on North Sentinel Island, stranding twenty-eight sailors. The next morning, the captain of the ship broadcast urgent messages indicating that natives were on the verge of attacking the vessel with arrows and spears.^[18] After being shipwrecked for two weeks, all crew and passengers on the ship were successfully evacuated by helicopter.^[19]

 

The Sentinelese appear to have emerged relatively unscathed from the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, apparently managing to reach high ground. Three days following the tsunami, an Indian naval helicopter was sent to check on them and drop food on the beach. It was warned away by a Sentinelese warrior who emerged from the jungle and brandished a bow and arrow.^[11]

 

In 2006, Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally for mud crabs within range of the island. Their boat's improvised anchor failed to prevent it from being carried away by currents while they were asleep. The boat drifted into the shallows of the island, where they were killed. An Indian Coast Guard helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies was driven off by Sentinelese warriors, who fired a volley of arrows.^[

 

 

Definitely not a good place for going on a vacation to.

21 hours ago, Nungali said:

sorta getting back on topic;

"They all began shouting some incomprehensible words. We shouted back and gestured to indicate that we wanted to be friends. The tension did not ease. At this moment, a strange thing happened—a woman paired off with a warrior and sat on the sand in a passionate embrace. This act was being repeated by other women, each claiming a warrior for herself, a sort of community mating, as it were. Thus did the militant group diminish. This continued for quite some time and when the tempo of this frenzied dance of desire abated, the couples retired into the shade of the jungle. However, some warriors were still on guard."

Yes, I was particularly impressed by that part of the article. Passionate love replacing hostility. That's amazing!

I just wish that in our so-called civilized world, the women (wives and girlfriends) would keep their men from getting themselves killed in useless battles in the same way...

21 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Yes,  especially the Gnostics; ‘heaven’ is home: earthly life / incarnation is bad/evil.  More people-more suffering; therefore sex is evil as it creates more people (it is also unclean dirty and guilt ridden) 

and,  you know who got the blame for that!...

 

 

Were all Gnostics thinking this way?

21 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

-goes ‘both ways’

 

" . The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices. "

 

 

 

Yes, it certainly goes both ways.

22 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Yes,  but  more  as  sub-discipline  of  cultural  anthropology.

That sounds interesting. How would you define cultural anthropology?

22 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

 

Maybe, I tend to think it is modern separation though

Yes, I meant to say that the separation is a more recent thing. It has probably got to do with the influence of organised religion.

22 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Some may,  but art history  is not supposed to be about ‘belief’

But before you accept something as possible, you usually won't see it even if it's in front of your eyes.

22 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

until......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

The unveiling of a 4,000-year-old civilization calls into question conventional ideas about ancient culture, trade, and religion.

 

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan

 

 

I have heard of the Oxus civilisation before, but I didn't know all the details of its discovery. Thank you for that fascinating article, Nungali. It looks like you like archaeology too.

19 hours ago, Nungali said:

  Sexuality......"pornography".......or 'fertility' ?

I think that these topics were just not separated from each other at that time.

19 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

 

No, serious researchers want a bit more than 'what someone has heard'.

 

And most of them wouldn't believe in extra-terrestrians anyway.

19 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

 

That looks like they were really having fun.

23 hours ago, TheCLounge said:

Thought this was chicken for a sec

 

Sorry just trolling...but it's interesting. I wonder if they actually masturbated to this..

I don't know, but it raises the question whether porn addiction was already a problem in prehistoric times.

I really like surfing in the internet for hours and reading about all different kinds of topics. Just recently, I this fascinating piece of information caught my interest. I wish to share with the fine people here.

This is about the earliest examples of figurative art that were found by the archeologists, and guess what, many of them are sexual symbols.

From the article I linked on the bottom, I will post a few pictures and quotes to comment on.

About this figurine:

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No one would mistake the Stone Age ivory carving for a Venus de Milo. The voluptuous woman depicted is, to say the least, earthier, with huge, projecting breasts and sexually explicit genitals.

 

Nicholas J. Conard, an archaeologist at the University of Tübingen, in Germany, who found the small carving in a cave last year, said it was at least 35,000 years old, “one of the oldest known examples of figurative art” in the world. It is about 5,000 years older than some other so-called Venus artifacts made by early populations of Homo sapiens in Europe.

Another archaeologist, Paul Mellars of the University of Cambridge, in England, agreed and went on to remark on the obvious. By modern standards, he said, the figurine’s blatant sexuality “could be seen as bordering on the pornographic.”

 

Isn't that marvelous? Now the archeologists find one of the oldest art objects - and it's "pornography"!

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The discovery, Dr. Conard wrote, “radically changes our view of the origins of Paleolithic art.” Before this, he noted, female imagery was unknown, most carvings and cave drawings being of mammoths, horses and other animals.

 

Scholars say the figurine is roughly contemporaneous with other early expressions of artistic creativity, like drawings on cave walls in southeastern France and northern Italy. The inspiration and symbolism behind the rather sudden flowering have long been debated by art historians.

 

I have heard that Pleiadian extra-terrestrians influenced human genetics right around that time. But I guess those art historians wouldn't consider such ideas.

More in general:

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These sites, he concluded, “must be seen as the birthplace of true sculpture in the European — maybe global — artistic tradition.”

These objects are all awesome . A is a Paleolithic "Venus" figurine, B shows female vulvar symbols carved on a limestone block, and C represents a phallus, carved from the horn core of a bison (shhh... I wonder if this could have been some happy woman's toy ).

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The short, squat torso is dominated by oversize breasts and broad buttocks. The split between the two halves of the buttocks is deep and continuous without interruption to the front of the figurine. A greatly enlarged vulva emphasizes the “deliberate exaggeration” of the figurine’s sexual characteristics, Dr. Conard said.

 

The object reminded experts of the most famous of the sexually explicit figurines from the Stone Age, the Venus of Willendorf, discovered in Austria a century ago. That Venus is somewhat larger and dated about 24,000 years ago, but it is in a style that appeared to have been prevalent for several thousand years. Scholars speculate that these Venus figurines, as they are known, were associated with fertility beliefs or shamanistic rituals.

 

I wonder, what may those shamanistic rituals have been like? Curious me...

Original article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/science/14venus.html?_r=0

Nameless

To be true to yourself, you first have to know yourself.

It seems like sexuality, greed, and malice are all the same to you.

Love is wonderful, but there is nothing wrong with lust either. Ideally, they go hand in hand.

It is usually only the suppression of sexual desires that leads to "sexual issues".

Daoism (in my understanding) teaches us to accept our nature,

Ghostbuster

On 16.11.2017 at 9:20 PM, Taomeow said:

Anastasia,

 

don't use me as a springboard to launch into your hobbyhorse subjects.

 

And don't try to control me by ascribing feelings to me I didn't proclaim.  "I sense a lot of anger from you" is a manipulative and dishonest move behooving only a gaslighting sociopath.  Don't fall for the seeming ease of dominating someone by telling them what they feel.  Some people indeed are manipulable by this method, you can shame and belittle them easily by telling them what reprehensible emotions you "sense" about them.  I am not one of them, so don't waste your energy playing this game with me.  I've known too many players, professionals some of them, demons some others.  I eat them for breakfast.  Peacefully, with no anger.  I don't ever get angry at my food.   

 

Edit: typo

Dear Taomeow

I have no interest in playing games with you. I was simply sharing my observations and views. If you think that my perception of you was wrong, okay, let's say it was wrong.

Best wishes

Anastasia

On 9.11.2017 at 4:30 AM, Taomeow said:

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Misogyny schmisogyny.  Here's the deal:

 

1. I am a believer in traditional matriarchal societies that kept us safely alive and thriving and happy (sic) for a million years.  I don't think we ever got anything right on this planet since the patriarchal takeover.  As in, never, and nothing.  As in, an ongoing disaster of a few thousand years with no end in sight.  As in, I don't think there's a political system that can grow out of a patriarchal set-up that will ever bring anything but misery to the majority.  I don't care what it's called.  I call it zombie patriarchy.  It can manifest as zombie capitalism, zombie socialism, or zombie feudalism.  They're all the same to me.  Dead on arrival.

 

2.  One of the most devastating developments of the patriarchal rule is the transmogrification of women.  A patriarchal template does not change when this or that slot happens to be occupied by a patriarchally trained woman.  The fact that she is a woman is irrelevant if the slot in the patriarchal template of power remains unchanged.  The woman who is not a patriarchal ruler can't fit in in a million years.  

 

3. Hillary is a patriarchal overlord.  Please do not ascribe misogyny to whoever dislikes her for her patriarchal overlordly ways.  I don't dislike a woman.  I dislike a patriarchal overlord exploiting its anatomical features toward a patriarchal power grab.  Patriarchal power grabs exploit whatever is handy -- in this case, being a woman is used as one such exploitable feature the patriarchal overlord Hillary has in its possession. 

 

So please.  Enough with the misogyny card. 

 

I am thinking of starting a matriarchal political party.  But first I would have to write a manifesto and sharply delineate the difference between a woman of patriarchal functions and a woman of matriarchal functions in society.  I submit there's no women in power today, period.  None.  Not one.  If she has power, she has patriarchal power in a patriarchy.  If she is a carrier of matriarchal power, no one has seen her or heard of her.  She keeps the species alive, but she's fucking tired. 

 

Tired...  She might let go and then watch it all turn into a rotten pumpkin it's always been behind the grandeur illusion.

Hello Taomeow

There is truth to be found in your words. But I also sense a loft of anger from you. Anger that you project on a somewhat abstract masculine, which is you believe to be responsible for all evil in the world. You are a feminist in the sense that you elevate the feminine over the masculine. And your acceptance or rejection of others (males and females) seems to depend on the degree to which they embody the masculine principle that you reject.

What is happening is that you are confronting your shadow self (C.G. Jung), which in this case is the masculine part of your personality. This part should be allowed and gradually integrated, as we should akways seek the balance of yin and yang.

Interestingly, the rejected part of self or "shadow self" is usually expressed plain for others to see, such as in your "diatribe".

Many of the imbalances that you see in the world around you are the result of imbalances in the individuals which compose it. No political changes will make things better as long as people don't choose to create peace and harmony in themselves.

On 9.11.2017 at 4:44 PM, Taomeow said:

It is not necessary to have lived in every society to have an idea of what it was/is like.  No one but me in this thread lived under what they call "communism" yet ideas abound.  Everybody and his brother and sister have an opinion.  So that poster who shall remain unnamed who disqualified me from having an opinion about martriarchy yet expressed a hundred opinions about things like, e.g., Russia or Ukraine or what have you should have disqualified himself first if applying this criterion.  I have a good handle on world history (though not the kind enforced by weapons of mass instruction) and a brain.  Sapienti sat. 

 

I grew up under a Communist regime too. And I would say, the worlds you and I live in today are not so bad, after all. Though that depends on what you make them to be for yourself (on a personal level).

On 9.11.2017 at 4:44 PM, Taomeow said:

Matriarchy is not a "rule" of anyone or anything over anything not already ruled upon by nature.  Everything else goes against nature, and can never succeed because of that, in any shape or form.    

Nature is demonstrating principles of holarchy, not matriarchy. Principles that we can indeed learn from nature and apply in our human way. That's why Daoism uses so many metaphors taken from nature.

Best wishes

Anastasia

Hi dawn90

Good to hear that you are on the upward curve.

Please remember that plenty of sleep, healthy nutrition, and healthy habits in general can go a long way restoring your vitality.

Sweet corn

Unicorn

2 hours ago, rainbowvein said:

 

Pun

It is true that our heart is going through many different situations on its journey. And these pictures are showing this.

Thank you for this topic, Nungali. This is beautiful.

Popper (the philosopher)

2 hours ago, Marblehead said:

But we might be talking about death of ego here.  No more transformations because we have already merged with the One.

 

This actually takes a lot of pressure off our mind.

 

I agree. I think it means we stop trying to become something else and find peace being ourselves.

Infinite

23 hours ago, Marblehead said:

Repose in what has been arranged for you and leave transformation behind, then you will be able to enter the unity of vast heaven.

I really like this sentence. I feel it is the essence of Daoism.

Thanks, Marbelhead.

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