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To go "beyond time" means to enter "noncommutative phase" as reverse time. You claim there is some static timelessness but Pregadio clearly states in the quote you posted that "The regressive process of inversion, therefore is also a progressive process of creation...which is the Elixir itself. Not only do the two processes run parallel to one another but they are also ultimately equivalent." Transforming the Void: Embryological Discourse and Reproductive Imagery in East Asian Religions": So I completely agree with Pregadio - this is the secret of noncommutative phase - it is being in two places at the same time as reverse time processes. Thanks for confirming my view. No "static timelessness" at all. Do you see what I am saying yet? Yuan Shen is time zero as classical physics. Noncommutative phase is the future and past at the same time - reversed to create negative entropy as yuan qi formless awareness, creating yuan jing. Notice again that "spaceless place and timeless instant" are paradoxes. I am explaining the paradox for you. Light does not experience time nor space yet it has hidden momentum as reverse entropy energy. This is why Yuan Shen has doing with no movement. Understand yet?

So then you refer to Fabrizio Pregadio making "comments." So I search Fabrizio Pregadio timelessness. Let's take a look. The book of Nine Elixirs - pdf word search time So this fits what I am stating - the shen is turned around to generate yuan qi that is also called jingqi - or reverse time energy. So the "timeless" condition represents the jing to generate the cosmos. Does that sound like UNCHANGING to you? No - it is "generating" the cosmos yet is timeless. Solve that riddle. I have. The Yuan Shen is "non-movement' with "doing" at the same time - - because it is creating "yuan jing" as reverse time or reverse entropy energy from qi. Moving on. http://www.goldenelixir.com/quotes/quote_of_the_week_57_ctq.html So here Pregadio translates a title as "The Timeless Instant between Beginning and Ending." So you claim that the Taoist master says their is no beginning and no ending. I agree with you but I disagree that means there is some static timelessness that is immortal. Let's see what this title means. It states... So as I have stated - the "timeless instant" is when the shen is turned around and this is the instant that at the same time has reverse time - as noncommutative phase - the Yuan Qi that creates Yuan Jing as reverse entropy. Nothing in that translation about timelessness - only a "timeless instant" - which is a paradox right? An "instant" is still time - so again how do you solve that paradox. I have - just as the qigong master has explained to me - the light is turned around as a laser - it is held onto and the Yuan Qi does the healing on its own as reverse time energy. So then we have Pregadio with his Daoist Immortal Body paper. If you go to the academia link it does not load - is had not be uploaded. So click on the cache link on google - and presto you can read it. haha. Now we word search time and see what we find. Hmm: oh weird - that's exactly what I have been stating. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:D7KRdmw5vY0J:www.academia.edu/30962756/Which_is_the_Daoist_Immortal_Body+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us I think I'll add that to my blog where I have numerous other quotes of similar stature - yet you have refused to engage with. So that's your Pregadio quote but let's get some clarification on that claim. So just as I have stated - it is the Yang Shen that enters into the Yuan qi - and "roams it" - so time is only transcended in the sense that you have forward and backward processes at the same time - the Shen goes to zero and then the nonlocal entanglement is reverse time - it can go into the future or change the past. But as I have stated - the Yang Shen in the end vaporizes back into the Yuan Qi - and it is the Yuan Qi that decides where the Yang Shen roams.

Here is a PDF analysis of you clinging to the Unchanging claim of Liezi. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwjs4uC1_N7UAhVqrFQKHb3tDx0QFghCMAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ideals.illinois.edu%2Fbitstream%2Fhandle%2F2142%2F31983%2FChen_Yin-Ching.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1&usg=AFQjCNHYlDXPVzbSxfxi4Pa0Tg_DLYx1iA&cad=rja Do a word search of "unchang" - to get all references to Liezi meaning of Unchanging. Notice the last reference. If water is damned and not allowed to flow it will be stagnant and unclear. Stagnant water is unclear because it does not flow. Now that explanation of Unchanging , p. 193-4 - actually is confirmed by science. As I detail in my free pdf - water is split by the piezoelectric collagen - so that it emits shen and at the same time the protons of the water create qi energy and the shen goes into imaginary mass. So the protons are "non-locally decoupled" as imaginary mass that is superconducting - as noncommutative phase. So I am referencing a 2012 Ph.D. thesis by Yin-Cheng Chen on Liezi as the focus of topic. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-90-481-2927-0_19 2014 academic analysis: Earliest source of the Liezi is 400 C.E. - mixed in Confucian errors, etc.

What doesn't change is the process of change. So it's another order of logical type. Are you getting it yet? No he doesn't say that! Show me where he says that. Noncommutative phase is time-like - and occurs when time is zero as quantum entanglement. So light is a point at zero time (classical symmetric math) but at the same time (simultaneously) light is a wave as reverse time (noncommutative phase as infinite complementary opposites). Why? Because light has no rest mass but light does have momentum due to quantum relativity, so light has mass due to the inherent noncommutative phase as the foundation of reality. So the Taoists figured this out in experience. Science has also figured it out but science can not unify the math - because science has a classical math foundation. Empirically science knows that quantum physics is the foundation of reality - but quantum technology is still based on symmetric math. So you have noncommutative phase as "time-frequency uncertainty" or "Fourier uncertainty" - and so if you can bypass Fourier Uncertainty - as was done in the experiment I referred to - then light can actually harness and "emanate" the virtual photons from reverse spacetime. So it's been proven that virtual photons are real and can be turned into photons - but the virtual photons are real energy. So you want to separate the absolute from the change. I pointed out - they are in the same sentence. The absolute is change as "noncommutative phase" - so the change is the same process as change that is infinite. How is that possible? I have given many quotes - that the Yuan Qi is formless and original - and that the Yuan Qi is the One Vitality when yin and yang are "undivided" and "united" and "formless" and that is the secret of the Tai Chi "at rest." I have pointed out that the symbol for the Wu Chi was not created until the Song Dynasty. So it is easy to see how Wu Chi can then be changed to Zero and then you get this Western projection of a static transcendent absolute that is somehow different from change. What that means is the shen is put under the jing as reverse spacetime that creates the yuan qi. The Emptiness is time, the Shen is frequency, the Qi is momentum (noncommutative phase), and the Jing is wavelength as mass. It is a three in one unity. So there is no transcendent "escape" - the immortal is a Yang Shen but as the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality details - the Yang Shen still "vaporizes" back into Yuan Qi. The Yang Shen is only created by converting all the yin qi into yuan qi so that the yin shen converts to yang shen. You only build up the shen by building up the qi, but first the jing has to be built up - so it is a 3 in 1 process that is eternal motion. So the Yuan Qi decides if and when the Yang Shen will manifest next and where. The more an immortal builds up energy, the more impersonal they become into the Yuan Qi. For example if you have spirit travel without enough Qi that surrounds the light - this causes dizziness and confusion. I compare this to the difference between special relativity and general relativity. So if you have enough qi it creates a spacetime bubble that surrounds the light and then the light is turned around to zero time - as the point. This is called the "point of origination" in Ch'an Buddhism. But the qi energy then does the healing on its own - so the Emptiness does the healing, not the "immortal." So if you have enough qi energy then you can maintain a constant velocity of spacetime. And so this is why the lower tan tien is the "cavity of spirit-vitality" because the qi has to built up enough to surround the shen in the lower tan tien. Otherwise you get a loss of spacetime as a vortex spinning around you - I have experienced this problem. It is detailed in chapter 11 of the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality. So the healing is literally a "virtual information field" as master Yan Xin calls it - it is literally a reverse spacetime field. So the qigong master who befriended me states how he literally goes back in time and heals someone - at the point of origination - from before their physical blockage actually occurred. And also he then experiences the past as a holographic 4D field - since for example a house will store the strong emotional blockages - the strong qi energy with the shen - it is stored as a virtual black hole. So light goes into a black hole and seems to disappear but because reality is quantum the energy as information is stored as virtual energy and virtual mass with reverse spacetime - and this process continues infinitely as the 5th dimension of reality or noncommutative phase - it is the unified Tai Chi as Yuan Qi. The difference between the spirit as spiritual ego is when the light is turned around - there is zero time at that moment but there is also reverse time - at the same time - as noncommutative phase - as virtual energy. Does it make sense yet? It is turning a black hole into a white hole. That is the difference between psychic energy that is yin qi and yin shen - and spiritual healing that is yuan qi and yuan shen. That is the difference between shakti energy which is from the formless awareness versus Siddhis based on the spiritual ego.

Roger Penrose says that the greatest mystery in science is that time is asymmetric and to take this into account a whole new type of quantum physics would have to be created. So what he is referring to is the fact that quantum and relativity can not be unified. But the big problem - is that the entropy that Penrose is referring to is an artifact of classical math - symmetric mathematics. So the real issue in terms of cosmology is actually that time is speeding up on Earth as space is being destroyed and contained by classical physics based on symmetric math. So physicists do not talk about ecology nor see the connection between the observed entropy of the Universe with the destruction of negentropy or ecology on Earth. Penrose has figured this out with his work with Stuart Hameroff. I have corresponded with Hameroff.

there is a joke about this - that I should remember. I posted the "no center" line as a direct quote from http://springforestqigong.com But of course also as a slam against NeoPlatonic philosophy from John Scotus Erigena of the 9th Century stating how a circle with no circumference is infinity with no center - or something like that. This is what is called logarithmic singularity in classical physics - for example a rainbow is a logarithmic singularity. So because rain drops are spheres then you get a logarithmic singularity. but that is still classical physics. So - the joke is - and I still have not quite remembered it - but it is something to the effect of ... He is like a ruler who makes a point without power, he has no magnitude. That is the gist of the joke. So John Scotus Erigena, as a NeoPlatonist was against the Lunar psychic energy.

So you quote one phrase and try to ignore the following phrase. So I watched the video. I totally agree with the video. He says there is "no gap in time." Can you quote him saying there is "timeless immortality"? I don't think so. At one time in the vid does he say that? As I explained - when light is turned around them time is zero but during that experience the spiritual ego as light merges with the Emptiness as qi energy - which is reverse spacetime as energy healing. So I am actually referring to the qigong master who befriended me - he explains this process. There are others as well and I have then quoted the texts that corroborate this experience - along with the science. So you quote an alchemy training - the qi goes to shen and the shen goes to Emptiness. But this is simplistic - we know that the shen, qi, and jing also unify - it is a 3 in 1 unity. So as I have stated - this "yin matter" is superluminal - that creates yuan jing from antimatter as virtual particles. Light does not experience time nor space - therefore it is eternal but it is also in eternal motion. Why? Because of the inherent noncommutative phase as the 5th dimension, causing light to create new matter as reverse spacetime - virtual matter. Yan Xin calls it the "virtual information field" that he does healing with. So since light has no rest mass then it easily can "capture" virtual photons and reverse them back into our 4D spacetime as new matter. This has been done in experiments - photons can be captured and then they are slowed down in frequency to create matter. this is called 720 degree spin in quantum physics. So "zero" does not really exist - it is based on symmetric number as "negative infinity" and aristotle was against zero. Zero is used to create irrational magnitude are "alogon." So trying to convert the teaching to Western math using zero is when this Taoist master causes confusion. Gurdjieff made the same confusion when he still used "divide and average" harmonics like 5/4 and 8/5, etc. so people didn't realize his true teaching of the Law of Three - from Pythagorean harmonics of the Octave/Perfect Fifth/Perfect Fourth as noncommutative phase.

see of over on that thread then if you want to - but keep in mind all I do is study books and sit in full lotus (beyond other strange stuff). haha. I would say Westerners can bask in the enjoyment of ignorance - as those in power have no need to seek out the real truth.

I see your derailment and raise it with this doc expose on David Lynch - T.M. cult. Enjoy.

check out the "difference between buddhism and taoism" thread - I posted more details there. thanks.

Hey as long as you're happy then we are all happy for you.

If you really are Chinese maybe your Communist brainwashing is causing you to want people to admit they are wrong - "self-criticism" is what it's called in the Cult of Mao. You find the similar cause in evangelical Christian Missionaries who insist that typical Christians are not real Christians until they "accept" Jesus by confessing that they are sinners and wrong and verbally stating that they need to ask Jesus into their hearts. This kind of verbal confession - is just a left-brain mind control tactic to break people's will. It's not necessary for real training. People can understand things experientially - and yet in terms of teaching, intellectually - they are not able to articulate the meaning. So this has been my interest. For example Jonesboy says he can find the truth in many traditions. This is accurate but it is not precise. Most Westerners are precise but not accurate. The key is to be both accurate and precise. I would rather be accurate but not precise - as Jonesboy is. But even better is to be bother accurate and precise. haha. So I think you also are accurate but not precise. You want to condemn Westerners - and I think that is accurate.

Exactly we totally disagree and I want to make that clear. I made the same error as you after my "enlightenment experience" - I thought the Emptiness was some static transcendence beyond time - due to my Western bias of monism or nondualism. So I know exactly what error you are making. The qigong master said my mind was still confused. So I kept studying and discovered - no - the Dao is eternal change - there is no "center" of the universe - there is no timeless transcendence. So when the light or shen is "turned around" then time is zero for light - but during that timeless spirit the Emptiness as Qi then continues creating change as information healing that is reverse spacetime creating new matter as yin matter or yuan jing. This is the "golden key" - of how there is "doing" in "non-movement." Please review the quotes and links I gave you so you can do deeper study to correct your error. thanks.

Werd.

Master Zhou was on "That's Incredible!" so it's close. People claim that Master Zhou uses potassium on aluminum or some trick - and so he is fake. I don't believe them. I think Master Zhou is real.

This is wrong - time is eternal change - this is how precognition happens. So as Paul S. Wesson documented - there is a 5th dimension as noncommutative phase - that is "time-like" - it is phase but not space. So you can LISTEN to the Dao but you can not see the Dao - that is why it's formless. So you have reverse time - as reverse quantum relativity - reverse entropy as negentropy. Linear time is from left brain dominance as entropy. It is real but can be reversed.

The postmodern New Age conflation of the East is quite fascinating indeed. haha. DNA science proves that white people are from malnutrition due to monocultural wheat farming and the Brahmin caste in India is more white due to chariots going into India, etc. So the "three gunas" are not the same as Brahmin nor Buddhism and Taoism is not the same either.

noncommutative phase is when time is zero but for the "physics" to be converted to measurement then the math is converted to symmetric math via the Poisson Bracket. So you have to use "quantum biology" that can not be recreated as technology. Eddie Oshins knew this.

Oh yeah - how about Continuity of Government? I have a degree in International Relations. Mother Nature is in control. The arctic is going to be ice-free for the first time in 3 million years - very soon - this fall most likely. Then 50 gigatons of methane will erupt from the East Siberian Arctic Shelf. Continuity of Government is for the elite to live underground. haha. Dick Cheney went underground. Bush Sr. - of Nazi dynasty fame - had Yan Xin qigong master go to the White House several times - 8 times to heal Bush Sr. who then did sky diving in his 80s.

it's kind of like "fake news" - the corporate media says - oh there is always "hacking" but now it is being "weaponized." haha.

I documented that SAIC was reading my blog - they are a top military contractor that took over the CIA Stargate remote viewing psychic spy program. It is one thing for individuals to have skill. It's another thing to discover and expose the objective model of reality that enables those spiritual skills. What I discovered and documented is also what Eddie Oshins discovered when he was a Stanford quantum physicist. No one knows about Eddie Oshins - but SRI - Stanford Research Institute is where Stargate was based. So there is a secret objective truth to this training - but the math is very esoteric and not even known by most scientists.

This person studied at Qingchengshan from the Longmen lineage - like http://qigongmaster.com So I trained from that person of http://springforestqigong.com - he has been proven by randomized controlled science, peer reviewed by Mayo Clinic dr. ann vincent.

prior to the emanation of qi emanates creation which is of the substance of qi spontaneously "give birth to" or emanate the One. Kongming - you have made the above errors. You have no claims that the Dao "emanates" qi as the "one." I gave you very specific math as to why you have erred. You quote an academic - Louis Komjathy - and yet no where does he state that the Dao is prior to Qi. I have given you very specific quotes that states Yuan Qi is formless - and "original" is the meaning of Yuan. Yuan Qi does not "emanate" from something that you have constructed or reified as an error. Now - the person you quote states this: So qi=Dao. Now the question is - how does it pervade and transform at the same time? I have given you the answer - the 2, 3, infinity question is noncommutative phase from music theory. You need to study what that means - the pdf I have posted gives the training details. So it is true, as you quote, But for qi to be realized in a human - to be stored and built up so that the human "embodies" qi requires a harmonization process. I can find reference to the claim that the Dao = qi just as the Dao "emanates" harmony. So what that means is to build up qi requires the emanation as harmonization. When you say emanate - you really mean resonate or harmonize and this is done specifically as complementary opposites - the secret of "noncommutative phase" or being in two places simultaneously as formless awareness - this is why Dao=formless awareness=qi energy. As Zhong Gong teaches, based on Einstein, there is always energy - it is never created, nor destroyed, but simply transformed. As Zhong Gong teaches - the "golden key" is thought as "yin matter" that is superluminal - something Einstein could not accept but Louis de Broglie figured out in his Law of Phase Harmony. So Taoism or Daoism is based on the harmony of nature - and this is a specific training process. Qi also means breath - but the original character for Qi is fire under water to create steam (qi). So that is also shen under jing to create qi - and it is done through breath. The water has to be oxygenated - and there is a secret science to this as alchemy. So for example on Earth there have been periods of anoxic mass extinctions of life - due to too much carbon dioxide. We are going through a period like that just from the past boom of industry. So half of global warming gas is from the last 40 years - there is an exponential rise and acceleration in the anoxic mass extinction we are going through right now. The Dao is based on harmony of the Moon with the Sun and Earth - and the Moon controls the water cycles on Earth - because modern civilization is based on Solar worship as "divide and average" math using the solar calendar as geometry - this tries to "contain" infinity as left-brain dominant concepts, as you are trying to do. So Daoism is older - like the "three gunas" of India - not the Brahmin Vedic philosophy, not Buddhism that branched off from the Brahmin Vedic philosophy. Daoism is more like Pythagorean philosophy that is not Platonic philosophy.

It's with a heavy heart that I register onto this forum, knowing full well I hold key ancient Chinese secrets and will not be able to share them with you, yet will have to inform you of your unworthiness. Let the forum thread continue! haha. Hilarious.

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