HorizonLight

3 hours ago, Wizz said:

 

There might be a solution to this dilemma, its just around the corner. My suggestion for the sake of all people that are interested in Daoism, Spirituality, Buddhism etc. is as follows and pertains to the owner.

 

I suggest transforming the "Personal Practice Discussion" (PPD) into "Personal Area" where everyone is free to express their own personal opinions, views on politics and pretty much anything else. Give everyone moderation option here so everyone can act as mods in their own space.

 

Everyone would be free comment on everyone else in their own space and also everyone is free to respond in everyone's space but if you stop respecting someone else's private space after they delete your content which they don't approve or just say you are unwelcome then a new rule that I would suggest is that board owner/admins disable the personal area for the person doing so.

 

In their own personal area people would be more free to express themselves just as they were off grid but also as long as they don't give in the hate or disrespect the board owner since having a personal area space would be considered a privilege and that alone should provoke at least respect toward the board owner. If someone repeatedly posts content in either personal area or the main forum that isn't approved by board owner admins or disrespects, insults, threatens them etc. should be banned. If you have a problem with house/forum rules then you are free to to create your own forum space where you can preach your own ideas and opinions but expecting to get more then someone gave you as if you have birth right to it is downright insane.

 

So far PPD has served more as a personal diary for people rather then a discussion area on personal practice's and I believe personal practice should belong more in the main part of the forum. If someone wants to write a personal diary they can just continue doing it in the "Personal Area" (or Personal Diary). This way people will start to focus more on the practice and respectful approach instead of expressing their personal opinions most of the time which are in fact just personal judgments which will lead to egomania, exactly what happened to this forum on a large scale.

 

The problem with topics on politics is that everyone sat at the same table and you just don't put cats and dogs all together. Having your own personal space where you can express or comment politics will attract like minded people which will create a friendly environment and keep the trolling at bay so this is one good thing about it.

 

Another suggestion to support the above since this is a Daoist, Buddhist & spiritual forum is that if members mostly start to post in the personal area on politics and therefore don't contribute on the forum with anything but their personal opinions on other stuff then it would be best if the mods just close the personal area for them since the forum isn't meant to be a forum on politics but a forum on spirituality. If this forum is a politics discussion forum rather then a spiritual one honestly I as a member will feel cheated on since I didn't sign up for that and I believe this is the case for every other member as well. Looking from the bright side doing so will make people focus more on the spiritual side of the forum and the main discussion area.

 

If people had a clear sense on what is the main focus here then there should be no problems, the only problem here was when everyone wanted to fit drama with spirituality and this just jibe together as we can witness from experience. If the forum really changes for the positive this will most probably be a deal breaker for everyone that got addicted to the ongoing drama for the past recent years and honestly if that is what is happening to you then you are spiritually stuck no matter how much you think highly of yourself and your practice. Still I think that most people no matter how they identify themselves as came here just as people and I think its great if someone that is a right wing is in search of spirituality since that is a huge rarity and its a rarity overall for people to pursue metaphysics. All it takes to have a belief in something is to see the good about it and that's all, this is how it works for everyone. I'm saying this because there are quite a few members of this forum that are quite advanced in their practice and even tho they have their political views different than being far left they are definitely not from yesterday and are worth hearing out  especially on topics like meditation. There will most probably be a lot of younger people joining the forum in search for knowledge with some prior views on politics so I would rather have an open heart for them as everybody can change, there is always a possibility for that.

 

There was a claim here that politics is somewhat hard wired with spirituality, I'd really like to hear how this goes for you since that oughta say you have quite stable spiritual background, you know experiences in silencing the internal dialogue, visiting other realms, having contact with entities, knowing your lineage, God, Tao etc. If not well then you might consider chilling out with politics because how you deal with all these metaphysical concepts determines your path and if you are busy with just earthly matters you will hardly get anywhere regarding these topics. My personal choice is regarding these matters is freedom, freedom to perceive everything possible while retaining my humanity and being my true self. The concept of freedom comes from the higher realms and unfortunately here on earth is just abused by the mind since egomania is twisting it just as it does to the concept of love and so far whichever political option supports the concept of freedom in a peaceful way gets my voice since I know it originally comes from the heart.

 

I want to say something about Trump and what he did so far that nobody else mentioned here. His main influence is that he made most of the people in US fight each other, people fight in their homes, families, streets, internet etc the brawl is just everywhere. Why? Because he never intended to bring people together that's why. Simply put all that energy that is wasted on the fights is wasted on the persona of Trump. For everyone that got hooked on it my suggestion is to save energy for the better and focus on that and things will just slowly fit where they belong to and since we all influence each other energetically this will slowly change the world but if we just give ourselves to egomania and hate we will just partake in it.

 

Racism develops when too much emphasis is given to any group whatever it is about. Its the very root of egomania, egocentrism and pride and its a universal issue not just a earthly political one. To stop it you must intend to be silent you must stop your internal dialogue, just being smart is not enough.

 

In the end however is to be on this forum will be shown effective or not and so far things changed as they didn't work out as supposed its obvious not everyone was happy and this should concern you if you are friendly and want to share the good with people.

 

Well that's about it regarding suggestions!

 

Your point practically transcends every possible obstacle of the  mind and it's reasons to be pro or against any wordly matters,  no matter how creative it could be. 😀

The effect of your words is a relief, calm, warm and light feeling, a solution to the urge to protect the already established wall/fence/shield of the personal belief system, no matter what it is. 💚

The most beautiful flowers 

Grow

On the graves of the heart's

Spirit.

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56 minutes ago, Wizz said:

 

Did I say that? Wow..

 

Jeff is like God and admins are his archangels, Jeff doesn't intend to be a God and archangels find hard to accept that he doesn't. "Other angels" are accusing God for being well not good enough even dangerous! So they left the heaven promising to never return again but archs still believe there is a chance they do if they keep going all good on them.. On lower levels we have lions, tigers, birds, and other kung fu animals fighting for dominion while on the higher level angels are at full time work because at the heavens door there is lots of barking and roaring by animals trying to get in. Its dramatic I tell you.. The Buddha is fine, he's smiling in his grave thinking how cool and fun is to be a lamb in his local manifestation and how everything can fit into his big cozy belly, I mean heart..

 

Conclusion - the universe is SELF obsessed.. When Sean realized this he decided to launch his master plan and deal with all this by creating DAO BUMS and once he did he left for the beaches, I can hear him laughing there all drunk thinking to himself "I did it I did it.. I showed those archs whos the real boss!"

LOL 😂

43 minutes ago, Wizz said:

Jeff isn't dangerous at all I've confirmed that for myself, when I met him I had some doubts about him and even tho I didn't quite agree with him I witnessed for myself who and what is he about in astral dreaming where I met him as well. Actually its on astral levels where I found out more about him and I even confirmed some things that he spoke about in the waking hours. I saw him as a beam of energy as well while he personally explained to me what I'm seeing, these experiences were real and not regular dream projections as some idiots think they might be. If you really knew who Jeff was you might actually be sorry for thinking he was dangerous as I witnessed for myself in astral he helping quite a few people. I'm just being objective here..

 

So far given this thread its obvious Jeff isn't a problem here but the real problem lies both in those that hate and him and those that follow him, both parties are obsessed with Jeff and portray the attack-defend syndrome which throws them in the same league. Its just self importance in different disguise and its all over the place. Both parties should be thankful to each other since so many issues are out in the open for them to deal with. I asked for this thread to be moderated but unfortunately nothing happened and I had to go trough pile of crap by myself to post and since Sean isn't available the only one I could contact about it is Jeff since he seems to be the real boss here since admins are his followers. No offense guys but the forum is full of such threads and full of passive aggressive junk and most of us really have to be crap friendly to go trough the forum and this is just a product of lousy moderation.

 

I hope you can handle the truth guys and do something about it, something constructive. if nothing you can always mutterate my off topic post here

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reasonable, well said, truthfully, open hearted. Cool 😀

in the name of the spirit itself: LOL!

When you are not responsible for your actions and choices and let yourself fly as a leaf on a wind so you can say and do whatever comes through your personal filter which you call 'I' , then you can blame someone for something that 'happens to you'. The only thing that you are doing in that case is drama. It's not even reason. This is the usual level of consciousness that we all are in. And the group of people will probably operate in this level of consciousness if just one of the members is in it. Do you want to change that? Be responsible if you do. The truth is that everything that exists / is alive is energy itself and that everything has some kind of impact on everything whether you feel / see / know / like it or not. I mean, do you have control over what you think or do, or you have to depend on someone/something?

6 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Sure you can delete a post on this forum  .

 

Change what please  ????     Your perception that posts cant be deleted

 

You wanted to reply but changed your mind ???   But you did reply  !

 

I think earth is conjunction with planet Obscura today !  

 

Maybe I depart until this wave passes  .

I edited my post, look again the last sentence and the meaning of what I said will fit.

I'm on my phone so maybe that is the problem with possibility of deleting the post. I will check it.

15 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Ummmm ... no  .     Scary isn't quiet the word I am looking for      

You can't delete a post on this forum?! Change that please. I wanted to post a reply to this qoute but changed my mind so I posted this. 😀

1 minute ago, C T said:

Haha well said.

 

I see an invitation for you soon.

What invitation?

On 9/23/2017 at 6:32 PM, Jeff said:

The purpose of this thread is really just to highlight the accomplishment (or reality) of what one of our members has done for an extended period. What people often call consciousness has a zero level, then many levels/layers of relative form and astral stuff, and then beyond that are the various formless realms. While this member is now back to residing more at the higher end of form layers (super guru stuff), the member spent over a year residing at what can only be described astronomically high (or fine) levels of formless realms. It is hard to describe, but this is way beyond what some traditions call “god realms”. And if you think of your favorite guru of maybe residing in comparison of a mountain top in height, this is like living on the moon in comparison.

 

Just thought you might be interested. 

 

Forum is a place where people speak. I mean, you write your opinion on something or your experience and you probably won't be understood by everyone because words are confusing when you're not in the same line with somebody. So, one really has to put effort to be understandable. If there is no effort, you feel some kind of a trick in it, something is hidden and you want it to be revealed. If you're in the same line with the words being said, everything will have sense and you will be affected somehow by them. Best communication is achieved when you know someone's dictionary (meaning words that carry a meaning and which when combined make a concept that you want to share and highlight - with members of this forum), than you understand.

The question that I ask myself when talking/writing about something is: with this said, do I expect that everyone understands my dictionary? Am I projecting something I didn't say anything about really? Or I really want to share something so that I can see someone understood what I was TRYING to share. For example in your post, everything you wrote before: "Just thought you might be interested." for me is actually similar to a longer version of a headline in some Hollywood magazine. You know, it attracts my curiosity but it doesn't mean anything actually. So, if it doesn't mean anything and it's just news, it is normal that I want to know one more little thing: a name/nickname/avatar of 'our' member! Because what else do I have to say about it and what else does anyone has to say about it if you expect that everyone understands your concept (are in the line with you). We could all just agree with it and our normal, boring, not in Hollywood life goes on. With that said, I feel your point of this post was achieved. I understood that 'Jeff ' is in state of some PERSONAL good feeling about some member who achieved some not zero level of some consciousness that 'Jeff' metaphorically measured as 'moonlike' in comparison to 'mountaintoplike' and he wanted to share that good news because he thought I might be interested. And it's ok! I see the heart in it. But also (in this personal thing) it seems that 'Jeff' could have some sort of problem with some 'zero levels' and 'relative form layers and astral stuff' and 'super guru stuff' because he used words that project those things as being not good enough as 'living on the moon'. And I could also ask myself (if I choose to go with it as I believe 'Jeff'), why the hell this "member is now back to residing more at the higher end of form layers (super guru stuff)" if 'Jeff' believes that 'formless levels' are qualified as being best, the only and main goal, last and only true conscious residence (because this is news about great achievement)? With this said, it seems that 'Jeff' definitely has to put some effort in all this, there could be some mess in his own belief system.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong about your quality measured system of levels of consciousness. All in all is confusing. For me, conscious beings are all in one with every state of consciousness that has it's own qualities. In dreaming, I consciously saw and visited different worlds and levels of existence and there is definitely no measure of better or worse. There is just what it is. I would say it is freedom, personal and at the same time nonpersonal choice, a path that one chooses to go on and achieve. It's about the spirit, the heart, the death, the energy, the will, the intent, the responsibility and impeccability and every other word I could use to touch the heart of it's mysteriousness. If 'moonlike' state of consciousness includes all possible states then that 'member' could know all it's qualities and astral won't be 'stuff' but residence of it's own, simple as that. So 'favorite guru' state has it's own quality state and if you say it like that, you definitely have some personal judgement that I'm not familiar with. Do you want to break my belief in my 'super guru stuff' by making it less worth and show me something better? Please say if it's so.

And, who the heck is the man? Is he traveling through different states of consciousness? How is he doing that? Is he the 'super super guru stuff'? If there are no words to describe it, then you can just do it. Ok, I came to an end of my words. Thanks for paying attention.  

Yes, I got to meet you and your friend last night in chat... I'm really glad you've joined, and

look forward to some new and interesting explorations here.

Hello HorizonLight!

Welcome to the bums!

 

Maybe you'll tell us a bit about what interests you, what drew you here...  

A friend told me about this forum so I decided to see how it is. :-)

thank you :-)

Hi everyone, nice to be here