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  2. Posted · Edited by Jedi777

    thinking that my dsl line was back up and stable, i proceeded to write a long post on this subject.

     

    then i hit send, only to find that the line was down again.

    :angry:

     

    :rolleyes:

    whatevs.

    i shall try again, only shorter this time.

    everyone is right, to an extent. western magick is both a weak waste of time AND a very powerful transformative practice. it really depends on the knowledge, commitment, and maturity of the practitioner, PLUS the strength of the magickal community they plug into. seldom do solitary magicians get very far, unless they achieved a high level in a magickal order and then left the order so they could go deeper.

     

    once upon a time, i was a member of the Ordo Templi Orientis. had lots of fun with them. learned a lot about symbolism and sacred geometry. but in the end i became disillusioned all western traditions because of them.

     

    very intelligent. masters of symbolism (which makes sense, given that they have a masonic structure). but the spend more time figuring out clever concepts than they do cultivating. make no mistake, real western practitioners DO cultivate. the banishing and invoking rituals are powerful. the middle pillar exercise is powerful. the high rituals are crazy-powerful if you've done the preliminary work. the problem, the way i see it, is that the importance of daily, consistent practice isn't emphasized nearly enough, and discussion about the energy isn't really dealt with at all. so i read a lot of books, and i practiced the lesser banishing rituals of the pentegram, and my energy attainment increased. but that was about it, and many other members of the order, who were of higher grades, didn't even achieve the little bit that i had. strong theorists, all of them, but terrible work ethics when it came down to practice. they were a pretentious bunch that had something bad to say about every other tradition, and they could win most any debate on the occult, but they were severely lacking in real ability. when i left i challenged them to a magick contest and told them that i could get better results with wiccan spellwork (wicca was a running joke among them) than they could with all of their elaborate rituals. there were no takers.

     

    the demon evocation rituals (the lesser keys of solomon) were a thing i never played with, and i'm glad about that. not because the demons were too dangerous (that's what made it so seductive), but because i lacked the maturity to understand the nature of the rituals. the demons are ourselves. isolated fragments of ourselves, like if i were to seperate just my lust or just my anger and have a dialog with it (this is a gross simplification, but it gets the point across). with enough prior cultivation, a magician can make these energy expressions visible.

     

    i didn't fully understand the purpose of the rituals, other than to control demons. i didn't realize that we employ the same principle in psychotherapy when we learn to embrace the disassociated parts of ourselves. Genpo Roshi's Big Mind Process operates on a very similar principle, but is much safer psychologically, and much more real-world in its application. but the goal is still the same; to acknowledge, embrace, and properly organize all facets of our being to function smoothly and in the service of The One.

     

    crowley was very powerful, but you have to remember that he wasn't training so he could do parlor tricks; he was training so he could achieve complete union with the Tao. realization. that's the Great Work. to that end, any and all means necessary is fair game, even bloodshed. and all other motives, no matter how seemingly benign, is black magick. he was able to conjure a ball of light in a pyramid in cairo that was so bright, he was able to read from it. with the incident that scotty mentioned, he didn't just put his walk in sync with the man in front of him, he put his entire being in sync with him. he embodied the other man, and in doing so, was able to influence him physically. there's a real lesson to be learned there if you think about it. it's a crucible in magickal training.

     

    i have a ton more to say, but i gotta go. maybe more later.

     

    ;)

     

    Fantastic post Hundun I have a back ground and exp kind of like you

    Yes AC was very powerful and high level. I agree with you on the folks who claim to be magicians dont do much practice--but i love it

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    This has been a great blessing in my life and has helped me understand many things more clearly.

    Peace

     

     

    http://theosophy.org/

     

    The following quotations will deepen one's understanding of what Theosophy is all about.

     

    "Theosophy is that ocean of knowledge which spreads from shore to shore of the evolution of sentient beings; unfathomable in its deepest parts, it gives the greatest minds their fullest scope, yet, shallow enough at its shores, it will not overwhelm the understanding of a child." - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "Theosophy is the shoreless ocean of universal truth, love, and wisdom, reflecting its radiance on the earth... Theosophy is divine nature, visible and invisible... Theosophy is the fixed eternal sun... Theosophy is the quintessence of duty." - from The Key to Theosophy, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "Theosophy, in its abstract meaning, is Divine Wisdom, or the aggregate of the knowledge and wisdom that underlie the Universe - the homogeneity of eternal GOOD; and in its concrete sense it is the sum total of the same as allotted to man by nature, on this earth, and no more." - from The Key to Theosophy, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "Theosophia: Wisdom-religion, or 'Divine Wisdom'. The substratum and basis of all the world-religions and philosophies, taught and practised since man became a thinking being. In its practical bearing, Theosophy is purely divine ethics." - from The Theosophical Glossary, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1892

     

    "To fully define Theosophy we must consider it under all its aspects. The interior world has not been hidden from all by impenetrable darkness. By that higher intuition acquired by Theosophia, or God-knowledge, which carried the mind from the world of form into that of formless spirit, man has been sometimes enabled in every age and every country to perceive things in the interior or invisible world." - from "What Is Theosophy?", by H. P. Blavatsky, 1879

     

    "Once that a student abandons the old and trodden highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of independent thought-Godward-he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a seeker after the eternal truth with 'an inspiration of his own' to solve the universal problems. With every man that is earnestly searching in his own way after a knowledge of the Divine Principle, of man's relations to it, and nature's manifestations of it, Theosophy is allied." - from "What Are The Theosophists?", by H. P. Blavatsky, 1879

     

    "Theosophy believes in no miracle, whether divine or devilish; recognizes nothing as supernatural; believes only in facts and Science; studies the laws of Nature, both Occult and patent; and gives attention particularly to the former." - from "Occult Phenomenon", by H. P. Blavatsky, 1880

     

    "A true Theosophist must put in practice the loftiest moral ideal, must strive to realize his unity with the whole of humanity, and work ceaselessly for others." - from The Key to Theosophy, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "We assert that the divine spark in man being one and identical in its essence with the Universal Spirit, our "spiritual Self" is practically omniscient, but that it cannot manifest its knowledge owing to the impediments of matter." - from The Key to Theosophy, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "THEOSOPHY... has existed eternally throughout the endless cycles upon cycles of the Past, so it will ever exist throughout the infinitudes of the Future, because Theosophy is synonymous with EVERLASTING TRUTH." - from The Key to Theosophy, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    Three chief objects:

    1. Brotherhood of man, without distinction of race, colour, religion, or social position

    2. The serious study of the ancient world-religions for purposes of comparison and the selection therefrom of universal ethics

    3. The study and development of the latent divine powers in man

    - from The Key to Theosophy, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "Theosophy is wisdom about God... and wisdom about nature. Embracing both the scientific and the religious, Theosophy is a scientific religion and a religious science." - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "Theosophy is not a belief or dogma formulated or invented by man, but is a knowledge of the laws which govern the evolution of the physical, astral, psychical, and intellectual constituents of nature and of man." - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "The teachings of Theosophy deal chiefly with our earth, although its purview extends to all the worlds, since no part of the manifested universe is outside the single body of laws which operate upon us" - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "Religious doctrine gives a theory which conflicts with reason and fact, while science can give for the facts no reason which is in any way noble or elevating. Theosophy alone, inclusive of all systems and every experience, gives the key, the plan, the doctrine, the truth." - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "Theosophy asks every one to reflect whether to give way to the animal below or look up to and be governed by the God within." - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "Theosophy applies to the self - the thinker - the same laws which are seen everywhere in operation throughout nature... all varieties of the great law that effects follow causes and no effect is without a cause." - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "Theosophy views the Universe as an intelligent whole, hence every motion in the Universe is an action of that whole leading to results, which themselves become causes for further results." - from The Ocean of Theosophy, by William Q. Judge, 1893

     

    "The strength of Theosophy lies in the fact that it is not to be defined. It is the wisdom of the gods, or of nature. This means, that evolution, slowly progressing will bring out new truths and new aspects of old truths, thus absolutely preventing any dogmas or 'unequivocal definitions.' Were we to make and declare a definition of Theosophy it would be only the words of those who participated in drawing it up, and not acceptable to all. And were it possible that all would accept, then would be sounded the doom of the movement. Hence the reply to the question, "What is the criterion of Theosophy?" is that it is found in each man's perception of the Truth; therefore there is no single criterion. Inasmuch as Theosophy is the whole body of truth about man and nature, either known now or hereafter to be discovered, it has the 'power of growth, progress and advancement,' since every new truth makes it clearer." - from Forum Answers, by William Q. Judge, 1896

     

    "Behold, O happy Pilgrim! The portal that faceth thee is high and wide, seems easy of access. The road that leads therethrough is straight and smooth and green. 'Tis like a sunny glade in the dark forest depths... There, nightingales of hope and birds of radiant plumage sing perched in green bowers, chanting success to fearless Pilgrims..." ." - from The Voice of the Silence, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "Before the soul can comprehend and may remember, she must unto the Silent Speaker be united just as the form to which the clay is modelled, is first united with the potter's mind. For then the soul will hear, and will remember. And then to the inner ear will speak-- THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE." - from The Voice of the Silence, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "Let thy Soul lend its ear to every cry of pain like as the lotus bares its heart to drink the morning sun. Let not the fierce Sun dry one tear of pain before thyself hast wiped it from the sufferer's eye. But let each burning human tear drop on thy heart and there remain, nor ever brush it off, until the pain that caused it is removed. These tears, O thou of heart most merciful, these are the streams that irrigate the fields of charity immortal." - from The Voice of the Silence, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "The seeds of Wisdom cannot sprout and grow in airless space. To live and reap experience the mind needs breadth and depth and points to draw it towards the Diamond Soul." - from The Voice of the Silence, by H. P. Blavatsky, 1889

     

    "Dogma? Faith? These are the right and left pillars of every soul crushing Theology. Theosophists have no dogmas, exact no blind faith. Theosophists are ever ready to abandon every idea that is proved erroneous upon strictly logical deductions. Realizing, as they do, the boundlessness of the absolute truth, Theosophists repudiate all claim to infallibility. The most cherished preconceptions, the most 'pious hope,' the strongest 'master passion,' they sweep aside like dust from their path, when their error is pointed out." - from "A Society Without Dogma", by H. P. Blavatsky, 1877

  19. Posted · Edited by Jedi777

    I just read over this thread.....God there is a lot of Bullshit here.

     

    I hope know one buys into the BS SDenty & D Shen V are pumping out.

     

    I love how only 1 man has all the answers and the truth about the Dan tien and or cultivation...mean while there have been plenty of masters who have an actual dan tien and real cultivation from Sufi, Tao, Buddhist & hindu Tantric traditions, Egyptian mystery schools etc.

     

    God Bless & do not buy in to expensive bullshit.

     

    Peace

     

    Santiago

    I happy you said this I was about to say the same thing!!!!!!!!come on people use your Discernment!! <_<