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Your on to something keep going.

Yes the original authentic sects and masters either fled to hong kong taiwan indonesia america and so forth or they went silent. Chairman Mao was the biggest hypocrite to have ever lived!

We from authentic pai may have another interest in Xiao Yao Pai it is always useful to make friends plus if the tao in the west is to grow we must give it some room its good if the sects talk and do some light jousting in time a mutual respect will build.

Heavenly title is very important. As a taoist the higher one goes the more aware one becomes of the heavenly court. In my experience it all started with leigong at first I just noticed that he was starring at me. Later I learned that my training was connected to him and that he is known for judging people and serving heaven's justice one who does his alchemy must walk his path. The 3 pure ones that your sect is connected to is highly revered if you are giving people a chance to get heavenly title that is good and something that a lot of teachers in the community dont talk about normally something like this is only for authentic taoist sects and for the successors of such sects in some cases. The tao will only send people out to call others back to the tao.

The quality of the Xian Shen. They are at a very high level of wisdom and consciousness, so we've never had a record of anything like that. Not once since we became public in 1970 and not from anyone of our 140,000+ practitioners. Hu Fa Shen always works to your highest benefit. They are on duty by Tai Shang Lao Jun. Furthermore every Hu Fa Shen must first be authorised by Tai Shang before they can guide anyone under the celestial branch of our school. So you could say they also go through an application and interview to apply for the position. Then they must follow the curriculum of our school. Its similar to a physical brick and mortar educational institution and the Xian have their posts and responsibilities. Our HFS have already refined their negative personality traits and express themselves as a unified being directly from emptiness, so their Mind, Speech, Heart and Action are collapsed into one expression and they are governed by the pre-heavenly virtues, not the acquired post-heavenly hindrances. Quote Yes of course, naturally. We practise spiritual cultivation, so all this manifests through practice. We develop the 6 Transportations of Shen as well as the 8 Supernatural Powers. In addition to that we learn additional skills specific to our school. I can think of around 7 others off the top of my head, but in total they are 26 and this does not include the skills you will learn from other immortals with which you choose to interact and learn from. So in total that's 40. I cannot go into too much detail about many of the additional 26 skills, but I can speak of the 8 + 6 as they develop in every individual who cultivates authentic spiritual methods, regardless of their tradition. The 6 Skills of the Shen are: 1. You can see and understand the Present without discrimination. 2. You can see and understand the Past and the Future without discrimination. 3. You can know a person's thoughts. 4. You can read a person's karma and destinty, both the given destinty and the projection of the acquired destiny. 5. You can hear the spiritual realm and physical realm. 6. You can explore the universe. The 8 Xian Skills are: 1. You can become light, levitate and use soul projection. 2. You can become heavy. 3. You can shrink the spirit body to an infinite size and observe minute processes. 4. You can expand the spirit body to an infinite size and observe grand processes. 5. You can control the 5 elements and create physical matter. 6. You can manifest and enjoy your wishes. 7. You can manifest any energetic form. 8. You can control animate and inanimate objects. A few of those which are specific to our school are: 1. The ability to communicate with any divine being. 2. The ability to repel evil spirits within a huge radius. 3. The ability to clear a space of negative energy and purify it. 4. The ability to consecrate an altar or place and have a Xian guard it. 5. The ability to ascertain if there is "magic" or "power" in a place or object. etc. Most of these skills are developed gradually, because they come as our spirit is strengthened and they become a part of our being, but It's not a snap of the fingers reaction. Others are granted as our awareness and Gong De grows. These are like gifts that are bestowed upon us as members of our school, but they too must also be earned. Sometimes a skill is granted to test our character, other times it is taken away to trigger the very same reaction. To try and explain this, think of a general in an army. His uniform and status allows him a certain authority ie: to command the army, give orders and even launch small controlled tactical nukes. His position bestows him a lot of power, but if he is demoted or losses his post he also losses those privileges. These types of skills are similar to some of those granted to us as our wisdom and awareness develops, but if we leave the school or act unvirtuously, they can be stripped. On the other hand, the general has another set of personal skills which cannot be taken away. Those are the ones he cultivates through his own effort ie: his personal martial ability, his gun handling ability, his skills in tactics and strategy, navigation and so on and so forth. These skills no matter whether he remains a general or not are always there : ) I hope that helps to clarify their differences. - In terms of healing others, we advise our practitioners not to do it until they open the MCO in our system, but this requires the instruction of Jin Jia Shen who appears when the Ren and Du mei are ready to be connected in the way of our school, which is very different from how the Ren and Du are connected and flow in other systems. This allows us to recharge our energy quickly so we can more rapidly transform and apply our energy to another human through Wai Qi Liao Fa safely and without exhausting our own energy reserves. Otherwise the energy we cultivate is too fine to use on a typical Hun Shen (human spirit), so in our school we must do some work to learn how to step the energy down so that it does not shock another persons spirit. We have to tune it down from Wuji to Taiji so we can apply it in the physical dimension safely, if that makes sense, otherwise it can overwhelm another persons spirit. Quote Long Term: Yang Shen Spiritual Immortality and Kong Short Term: Clarity, Peace, Lack of Prejudice, Vitality, Alleviation of Physical ailments, basic spiritual skills. Quote Yes it is fine. Most people who study Taiji that become initiated, usually report an enhanced practice. Stronger energy, rooting, a better perception and sensitivity to energy and correction from Hu Fa Shen during practice for postural alignment etc. At the beginning it is fine to continue to practice whatever you wish on the side, but eventually our practice becomes quite specific so at some point a practitioner will have to step in with both feet if they want to fulfil the more advanced steps in our spiritual curriculum. Between the "beginning" and "eventually" is a time frame that will vary depending on our talents and consistency of practice. For some it can be 5 years for others 10. Quote I think I might have answered this one before. One need only address Tai Shang directly and make a formal request and the apprenticeship will be dissolved. No strings attached. Quote It's not part of our primary curriculum, but the Dao Yu can request lessons on the topic from their HFS or contact a specialised HFS whom excels in these skills. It's fine. Quote Yes, quite, but the expansion is mostly in the spiritual field, which can extend quite a lot. I can usually feel my master in a nearby location even if I can't see him. His spiritual energy would rush up my body like a reverse waterfall. This was my sensation in the beginning, now I do not feel it so anymore as I've adapted to the frequency of our school. So usually now, I just feel an initial connection if I come in contact with their aura, but after that there is no sensation anymore, because I've adapted to it through my own practice and absorbing divine energy during Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu. Quote 5 (8) 0: Dao Yu (道友) 1: Dao Shi (道仕) 2: Dao Zhang (道张) - 2a, 2b, 2c. 3. Dao Zun (道尊) 4. Dao Shi (道师) Quote No we don't. We have two reasons for this in our tradition. 1. We are not a Houtian system, so we don't follow a human master. In Xiantian we learn from Hu Fa Shen. - So there's no way to show a chart with an immortals name, because It can't be verified by the observer in a way that can allow them to authenticate or determine the quality of the school. For that we have initiation, so they can feel the immortal directly as a form of proof. 2. A lineage chart is not proof of anything. It's just something to help ease the mind of the inquirer. - So to provide that assurance, we act as a teacher of the martial arts would in ancient times. We say fight me. If you can beat me, then I can't teach you anything, but If I can beat you then you can learn something from me. To us this is embodied in our initiation. So anyone who is curious about whether what we say is true or false, can just come and test it then they can decide based on that. No bullshit, no gimmicks, no "trust me" this lineage chart is legit. We focus on what we can prove in the present, not what was in the past. We're trying to move forward not back right? So each person must employ the attitude of a scientist and seek proof when they decide to join XYP. We don't entertain the mind of a follower or encourage faith and we don't believe in what we can't experience. We have to shift from Philosophy (Theory) to Action (Experience) and then to produce Results (Skill). So again, in our tradition, we use the initiation to provide immediate experience and results so that there is no ambiguity of any sort. Again, here we differ quite a bit from many schools, but this is generally due to us being Xiantian and not Houtian. Quote We also call it Yang Shen. First Xiao Shen, then Yang Shen as the 3 Hun and 7 Po fuse deeper together to form the unified conscious immortal being. Best wishes. PS: While I was writing this one of our members who came from Belgium that was initiated last weekend just texted me saying she had an amazing experience and she's able to channel HFS directly through her voice to have conversations. She said how is it possible that we can develop such spiritual skills so early on. She couldn't believe it lol - I'm very happy for her : ) PPS: She comes from a previous tradition of Buddhism and received Shaktipath in India from her former Master. Thank you for answering my questions on your sect and its training. I would agree that working with a higher /divine energy is required in high level energy work. So does the levels in your system have meditations outside the work with xian? Also since there is 5 levels does what level does yang shen happen at? Is it really possible for a good student to move to the 5th level of your art? Now when you say convert the body into light do you mean at will and be able to come back into physical form again? Could you elaborate on this? You seem connected with taoist heaven plenty of taoist beleive that lao tzu was an incarnation of Tai Shang Lao Jun have you interacted with him and if so what could you tell us he is like and have you ran into the jade emperor or leigong?

Your asking alot of questions about shaolin...let me tell you this sil lum pai is resepected all over china and for good reason it is very powerful alchemy...and im not talking about the stuff easily found on the internet. but if you dont know you dont know but it seems you need more education on that.

Effilang, You are so wrong that I dont know where to begin maybe you shoudlnt copy and paste things about a lineage unless you get it directly from the lineage itself. So basically your calling shaolin a liar...Interesting Seems you dont understand a lot. Kung fu was created to protect buddha's teachings. Buddhabhadra, the founder of Shaolin was a wandering Buddhist monk from India who arrived in the Empire of Northern Wei around A.D. 464.(also called Fotuo) was a dhyana master who came to China from India in 464 AD in order to spread Buddhist teachings. He preached there for several decades before the Emperor Xiaowen ordered the building of the Shaolin Monastery on Mount Song, in what is now Henan Province, and made Batuo its first abbot. Sources from the period are rare, but the early monastery appears to have functioned as a center for translating Buddhist texts into Chinese. Under Batuo’s leadership, the monks followed the Hinayana school of Buddhism. Since the Hinayana path was notoriously hard to follow even for monks, the monastery remained relatively small. It was only with the coming of Bodhidharma, another Indian monk, that Hinayana was discarded and replaced with Chan (Zen) Buddhism, which the Shaolin monks follow to this day. "In Shaolin temple Ba Tuo , proclaimed the Buddhism Hinayana of the "Buddhism of the small vehicle" also known in chinese as Xiao Cheng , which was a premature part of the India Buddhism , which supported solitude . That narrow and strict form of Buddhism had many rules (250 for men , 500 for women) and it was non-achievable for most people , even for monks . As a result , Ba Tuo had little apostles .There where many worshippers , who came to him from all places in the world seeking Hinagiana Buddhism . Among them , Hui Kuang and Seng Chou were the best of Ba Tuo's apostles. Honored BaTuo's two gifted and renowned monks , were former generals and were the first ones to bring martial arts in the temple . According to a legend , the monk Hui Kuang could kick 500 times at the speed of a flying arrow and monk Chu had separated two tigers that were fighting , with his staff , and chased them away . These two monks established martial arts in the temple and that is how Shaolin warriors tradition began." Let me further correct you on a few things Temples back then were built on hills so they could not be raided...so they offered protection. "Kung Fu's original purpose was to protect Buddha's teachings. Now what the 28th Indian patriarch Bodhidharma (who later became the 1st chinese patriarch) taught the shaolin monks one complete nata and 2 pratimas of the Bodhisattva Vajramukti, namely the nata of Buddhist Lion Play School and 2 of its pratimas(shorter sequences). The nata was called Astadasavijaya which means 18 Subduings. This practice was absorbed by the chinese and was called the Shiba Luohan Shou or the 18 hand movements of the immortals. The Shiba Luohan Shou was the most important buddhist nata/xing introduced into china. Which became knows as the Shaolin Szu school of martial arts or Quan Fa. Which translated into the 18 Buddha boxing methods. The 2 shorter pratimas or forms taught in this were the Asthimajja Parisuddi- which is a buddhist movement and respiratory yoga for tissue regeneration, catharsis, and karmic recognition. In chinese this became known as the Xisuijing. The second pratima was the Snavasjala Nidana Vijnpti which in chinese is called the Yijinjing which is a type of isometric exercises and meditations which builds vitlatiy and can change the health from poor to good. So basically meaning that the xisuijing and the yijinjing were 2 small energy practices of the larger vajramukti which was termed Quanfa in chinese and this spread during the tang dynasty(600-900A.D.) This gave birth to the 18 Luohan monk forms. So you can see that kung fu became a very evloved method of internal cultivation. Also what the monks were doing is that they were taking other forms of high level alchemy and turning them into internal kung fu." Bodhidharma chose 18 out of the 500 followers of buddha to honor called them the 18 lohans. He chose to have 18 close disciples. This tradition continued at shaolin and after the burning of shaolin the 18 lohan started the white lotus soceity later becoming the triads that still exist today. But triad meant heaven man and earth because they believed that the only way to unite heaven and earth is thru man aka the middle path aka the heart so it is very buddhist in nature. Sorry man I actually know what im talking about lol..oh and STOP INSULTING A VALID SECT LKE SHAOLIN!!!

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He is right on this I noticed it as well but wasnt going to say anything on it but flowing hands is right. The meditation to me looked like very old shaolin.

Nah I think opendao is right on this one. Theres nothing wrong with calling things as you see them if your in the same field.

With any authentic practice and any authentic pai one will eventually start to see buddhas taoist saints or gods that is assoicated with the lineage anyways it happens in time with authentic training. What im not seeing is for a lineage to be thousands years old and authentic im not seeing a stand alone high level practice rare herbal formulas a lineage chart no mention of the master interesting healing methods or a break down of how the alchemy from their shan works.

Couldnt have put it better myself.

Im not that invested in it. Here's my thing I asked basic questions on cultivation like experience of the teacher healing mco and so forth. They could have just answered it and won me over they didnt or they chose not too. Not sure why exactly would have been much simpler to answer basic questions which isnt an insult or against the rules. Here's my thing why would I or any experience practitioner in their art leave their art and do this practice without having some things answered first. I shouldnt have to meet you and so forth to get a simple question on the mco in relation to your art answered for that is literally the whole point of asking questions in the first place is to see if this is something worthwhile or not.

Ha ha you dont know. Why does everyone act so high ha ha. u come on a taoist forum and think that you are the only one. Only true sincerity and humility can reflect the natural state. The only thing a taoist fears is the virtue of others. We come from a gate that represents the earthly plane if someone of our lineage shows up it means that your lineage has fucked up..... We come from the divine qilin of heaven that sits on the right and left hand of god sent to protect this realm but yes we will come check you out it is our right to remove lineages off of the map. Thus is the right of all of those who have the purple gold elixir. Btw we know all of what happen from persia to india to china....

You can meet me. ...lol Ill hold you to your word. you speak of the taichi gate but not the one above it the dragon gate. Oh well.

You had best be careful if your sect does not have the purple gold elixir currently then.... I will tell my sifu but answering simple questions will help your cause. All alchemy comes from heaven we know of the 3 pure ones you mention but to our understanding a new guardian of the taichi gate has not been chosen... My sifu knows all I do Ive already told him so be good for goodness sake....

Xiao Yao Pai you made a mistake by deleting my post...... I asked fair questions in the open so all could see. None of the questions were insults in any way now ill tell my cantonese master to look at Xiao Yao Pai... where there's smoke there's fire.

Whatever that was days ago when I posted that you said you were going to I waited now your going back on your word... being authentic means you can answer basic questions I dont know seems a bit shady to me...

Answers please should be very simple to answer if you are authentic.....

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Also do you guys have a lineage chart? Is the mco orbit opened with this practice if so is it early on or later?

Are there levels to this system and if so how many?

Yes very cool exp. So as in relation to skill or ability does this mean the spirit immortal can be used for other things as well? What stops it from becoming violent? Does one develop the ability to heal others, internal power, some type of spiritual power and so forth? What does long term and short term practice get you? Can this be done with taichi? Does it enhance taichi or my other practices? What if one no longer wants to do Xiao Yao Pai is there a un-initiation? Now if your a pai then you should have some rare herbal tonics and teas is this correct? Does the training develop a strong wei field?

Here's my question what are you guys cultivating I know you train to reach yang shen but what do you call it in your system. Also other than good health and feeling good what else can be cultivated thru this art like what skill is the pai known for?

Listen. Clarity only comes from true listening which goes into true feeling. For without true feeling there is no understanding.