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So instead of the electorate that results in only 12 important states calling it, we should go to the popular vote and 2 states can call it   

No, dahlink. If it goes to the popular vote, women call it. We're the majority.

If we leave electoral it would need to be either measured by landmass or measured by 1-per-state.

RC

I always find stuff like that interesting, but to me it's too vague, even if there are syncs. Most the determination of what something 'really' means can't come until well after, if the whole thing matches up tight. Some of the things said I think could apply to more than this election/country. Don't you think?

RC

I would cry if I'd spent 24/7 for two years running and lost horribly and unexpectedly. But I'm not running for president.

I suspect if male candidates cry they do it privately LOL. And choose friends who don't promptly go share their private phone calls with people who announce it on the news.

I don't know that it's fair to call her a whole litany of insulting names because she called her best friend and cried about losing, regardless of what she said while sobbing.

I find it unnecessary and disappointing that people are 'sore winners' as well as sore losers.

RC

Yes, it is not acceptable for either party to do that to the other.

Conflicts of interest and blackmail? Given the funding of everyone else and their utter indebtedness to interests, you're worried about HIM? I mean I'm sure anybody with money at that level has "potential conflicts of interest" -- potential is the word. Is he vulnerable in the future? Short of crystal ball reading, who knows, but anybody could be vulnerable in the future.

The guy's first and primary focus is actually dealing with some of the most corrupting influences in government -- something so out of hand it's insane and thank the gods someone wants to address it.

I'm pretty sure that there will be many sources trying to dog his every imaginable step or effort and bring it down, rather than support something positive finally getting done -- the news seems to be trying to START a race war -- but given it's done now, I'm as willing to support his positive efforts as I was Obama's. And that was a total freaking disaster, he's done worse than GWB at all the very things he allegedly was voted in to change. But I'm hoping that DT does better at the "change" thing.

The reality is, if he accomplishes even part of some of the things on his '100 days' list, even after 4 years, he will have accomplished stuff I consider hugely important. If he can keep from behaving like a lunatic until that's over, it would be nice.

RC

Thanks for the input everybody. As noted this is only about temperature, not thirst.

I was tested for just about everything imaginable before surgery. Aside from a faulty (birth defect) heart valve they couldn't find anything awry with me, and it was quite a list of tests. Even the cath test came out clean. However, since the surgery I've been on diuretics, and ibuprofen, both of which affect the kidneys. (And a beta blocker said to be for 'heart remodeling.')

I've been working to compensate with liposomal silymarin and C and Co-CQ10 which do seem to help, but the oddity of the sort of craving-for-putting-cold-inside-my-throat/stomach (no matter what the temp, or what I'm eating or not eating) just finally struck me as very out of the normal for me and only present since the surgery. (I'm a Pitta technically, so hot foods and cold drinks are my thing in general, but this is something different.) (Note that I am not diabetic, and my blood pressure's totally normal, and so on. In fact the docs were basically blown away at how good all my stats were, aside from massive edema caused by the heart valve problem, and lipedema thought to be a possibly genetic issue (no cure yet and cause unknown).

They tell me that since I wasn't getting about 70% of the O2/nutrients (blood pouring into body, hence edema out of this world) that my body has to rebuild systems of every kind, either from scratch or from atrophy. Not to mention I was bedridden for a long time (all but bathroom, for nearly a couple years, and barely moved before then for a few years due to the exhaustion symptoms, so I have to rebuild muscle to walk-etc. again and now my limbs are huge and heavy. Not to mention that is the ultimate long-term profound malnourishment. I think right now, 4 months after surgery, my body just has not yet built sufficient support for the new flow (power), so it is not yet to the point of getting rid of the edema like the docs have all assured me the body will do as it heals. (Glad I wasn't holding my breath. I still have probably 120# of edema on me, possibly more. Most of it on lower body and interfering with mobility, fitting into my vehicle for driving, and more. Very frustrating and very interfering with the exercise I need to do in order to help get rid of the edema, in a catch-22 of sorts.)

They pour massive stuff into you during surgery I was told, so I came out of it larger than I went in (bizarrely). I went on a ketogenic diet and lost 66# of water in 4 weeks, but after 3w I was in horrific pain and had a lot of side effects, since it's a super low-water body state and this + diuretics turns out to be a horrible combination. I tried to ditch the diurs but I just kept growing so I had to go back on them. Then I did 4 weeks of regular food to try and 'recover' from the pain/symptoms and in 4 weeks promptly got back 24# of that 66 (which I expected). Bright side, don't hurt anymore, and other things. Down side, most of it came back in the inner thighs, affecting walking-etc. yet again. Now I'm on the third experiment which is basically super LC every other day, ordinary diet on inverse days. I hold water for carbs in a huge way, but I can't be keto while on these diuretics, so I'm trying to find a happy medium that will let me actually lose edema but not seriously F' up my body from dehydration (as body water and edema are not the same thing).

I've spent over a decade studying and experimenting related to my body and nutrition so I don't beileve that I have any issues related to that topic, it's merely trying to deal with massive protein-water-edema that needs to be gotten rid of -- at the same time I need to not dehydrate my body of regular water it needs desperately.

I figured my kidneys were probably at issue, so I will look into that and thank you for the specifics on herbs. I really laughed about the herbal shop though. I live in nowhere NE OK -- I would probably have to drive for hours to a big city to find, somewhere, some kind of shop that sold herbs. :-)  I buy nearly everything that isn't fresh groceries online mostly at amazon.

Best,

RC

Why yes, of course people like Miley Cyrus are distraught at what a great person HC is who 'deserves' presidency. Being a paragon of such excellent character herself and all.

(I have never heard anybody say about any man running for office that he deserved the presidency.)

RC

For a few months now (greatly since open heart surgery), I've had this almost chronic craving, actual sense of need, for extremely cold drinks.

I took up chomping on crushed ice in the hospital and am still on that. I was delighted to develop a vice that was not a drug and didn't cost me money and wouldn't give me a disease. :-)

But it's been 4 months now, and I am still just craving COLD drinks all the time. Yes, I am on diuretics (for edema) but yes, I drink PLENTY of water (sometimes probably too much). So it's not just thirst. It's specifically a need for something COLD -- not just in my mouth, but going into and being inside my body like a drink is.

I have begun to wonder if this might be reflecting some kind of need, or imbalance, that people more into the subtleties of eastern medicines might be more familiar with. Need for yin?

I'm wondering if anybody has ever heard of this, or has any comments about it. Many thanks in advance if so.

RC

I think some of them ARE 'professional protesters' -- and ARE 'incited by the media'. Lots of pro signs ready the same all over the country right after he was called.

But -- quit whining, Donald. LOL.

RC

But on TaoBums people I respect think she`s a weapon`s dealer, a pedophile, a murderess.  What gives?

I don't know anything about any of that (though the body count behind her and Bill is downright impressive). I think she is against the fundamental spirit of the constitution and she openly said she would get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I have a whole list of things I don't like about her but that alone was enough for me to not vote for her no matter what.

But once Grumpy Cat is president, if we look aside from his favoritism for the milk lobby, things can change.

RC

You want a grumpy cat for next president?

RC

I don't really understand why some insist on assuming that what Trump has done has been carefully and craftily calculated. Near the end moreso due to certain hires, probably, other people trying.

Does it occur to anyone that rather than him surveying the country, fathoming "what would move them," and then tailoring this message for the proletariat, that the guy simply said what he believed and ran based on what was important to him and what he thought? And that what do you know, he is living in the same country, in the same culture, and so the BS that frustrates him is a lot of the same BS that frustrates other people?

He's getting on toward being an old man. He's had enough life experienced to have developed a lot of opinions, and enough time in leadership to believe that what he wants is good, and that if he pursues it other people will also agree it's good, because of course, we all believe that whatever we think is perfectly reasonable so all smart people should agree with us, heh. :-)

It just so happens that in this case, a lot of people really did agree with him, particularly about the economy and trade, jobs and taxes, veterans, and inhouse security. I don't think it was some genius machiavellian insight that made him take these issues as his platform. I think he just honestly is focused on those issues as something he thinks he can make better.

I'm not trying to be his apologist, but rather, trying to say he might just not be that smart as he's being given credit for -- if half the country agrees with him it might be merely that half the country agrees with him. It happens.

RC

Hmmn. Random thoughts:

Maybe 'Natural Intelligence' does not need to defend itself because it is part of the Tao itself, not encapsulated in any given biological being. Maybe not such a big deal if we directly or indirectly kill off most of the planet; someone will survive, or some mutated variation of them, and life will go on, and it will be fine. For earth, that is.

Maybe we don't vote for the future; perhaps if we did a whole lot of our choices would be better. We vote for the present and we continually fail to improve our future. "The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most for what you want right now," Zig Ziglar once said (and everyone else has usurped it as their own since, I think).

RC

The first thing Trump should do when in office

is to pardon Assange and Snowden

and give them high ranking positions in his government, lol.

Pardoning: if officially guilty in our systems, they should be.

Doing anything else: unworkable. They'd be shot by the same sources that want to shoot them now -- if not officially mandated, then just for the moral of it at this point, I suspect.

RC

You really think we will just magically deport them all?

Never gonna happen.

First you gotta deal with all the kids, parents of kids here, and elderly. They aren't going anywhere. Whatever % that is.

I would say that any existing 'illegal immigrant' who has a (felony level) criminal record or is in that system for processing, should be deported promptly.

Anybody not in either of those groups should be considered for citizenship. There may be disqualifying factors. And they should have to abide by the same rules that legal immigrants do.

Anybody caught in the country after amnesty deadline and grace period who hadn't applied should be deported. Improvement of border security needs to increase so these numbers will reduce.

The numbers are too large to export, the countries don't want them, death would await many of them, the cost would be outrageous for doing it (although offset a bit, but still too much), and the gestapo behavior that would be required to round them up is completely unacceptable.

I think there should be a mass offer of amnesty with some caveats and exceptions.

If nothing else they should be required to pay taxes like everybody else. However I think they should be prevented from any government-paid social services beyond children's, pregnancy and emergency medical, and early-childhood assistance, for a period of five years or something -- just like LEGAL immigrants face, except they don't have any exceptions at all.

My main concern isn't taking in 12 million people already here. My main concern is

a> Our existing agencies are not competent to process even the applications and issues we already have with legal immigration, never mind illegal let alone those numbers. This may be lack of resources, I don't know, but they are YEARS behind on lots of stuff.

b> Adding 12 million people the government (us) has to pay to feed would be insane and impractical. Also the burden of this on states with lower budgets but vastly more of those people would be horrible.

(If we wanted to create extreme discrimination, that would do it, from resentment.)

c> Most those who are actually working would promptly not be working because if they're working illegally, they're only getting that job because someone is enslaving them for dirt cheap. Make those people pay full salary and taxes and health insurance and that's going to vanish.

Some people use this as a reason for allowing illegals -- "who else will do that work" -- but the day you have to use "the good of slavery and servitude" as an excuse for breaking a law, the logic has seriously broken down somewhere.

RC

 

I think a lot of alleged racial prejudice is not racism at all.

I just want to add: The one thing the last three, count them three!, election cycles have done for me, is just emphasize stronger every time how much I actually resent people using whining-defense-as-offense as a form of bullying.

This whole "You can't say X because you just don't like them because they're (black! a woman! muslim! whatever)" is the most wretchedly disingenious and insidious social-orwellian habit we've got in the country right now.

It is literally impossible to hold any conversation (let alone an intelligent one) with a goodly number of people who, outside this pathology, seem perfectly normal, because they are so hyperdefensive about people's race or gender or religion that all conversation that is even the slightest bit critical -- let alone a lot critical, as is often to be expected in politics direct or indirect -- is perceived as an attack on the detail, and hence an attack on morals, and hence an attack on their morals, and hence an attack on them, and one minute you're having a conversation about the economic consequences of say, legalizing marijuana or enforcing border control, perfectly normal socio-political things to talk about, and next thing you know someone wants to KILL you because you are a racist/sexist/religionist/nazi/pig whatever.

It was really crazy with Obama -- and there *was* racism at times I agree, and I called it out everywhere I saw it -- but there was also the need to be able to talk clearly about someone running for President, which was nearly impossible because no matter what you said, it was always interpreted to be about his race. I've seen more assumed-insult-based-on-sexism since HC lost than I have in the last year which is really saying something. Endless women going "Well you can be (insert list of DT insults here) but you can't be a woman and be President!" which is so injust to women, and to the Presidency, and to all elections including ours. For godssakes HC is not the only -- and probably one of the worst -- woman who could have run. Hell if they'd have made Anne Coulter the nominee instead of Trump she'd probably have won by a larger margin and then the left would have committed collective suicide over the next 24 hours (solving competition for the next 2 elections, at least, lol).

To me this is like putting women in the military and then if someone says, "She can't carry that pack that far, she can't move fast enough," and someone goes, "you can't say that! You're just being sexist!" -- at that point it's a serious problem. If women can't do whatever needs doing, they shouldn't be there, and plenty of women CAN, and will seriously kick your ass for implying they couldn't LOL, but it would be utterly wrong to create some thought- and word- gag on not being able to say what is, from someone's perspective, simply observably true. And in this example case, people could even say, "Women don't have the same upper body strength (obviously) in general so insulting their strength-stamina about it is sexist" but no, it's still not sexist if that issue is THE issue under discussion and it's real.

So I guess my point is I'm just really weary of the "offended on behalf of" meme. Nobody can "prevent anybody saying anything someone might perceive as racist" because a lot of people perceive every damn thing as racist.

I actually can look like nearly any race except black/asian/oriental depending on my tan or makeup. Accidental benefit of being about 15 nationalities and a light olive generic result. I sometimes kid myself I should do some great makeup, add a partial veil, and use an avatar that makes me look like an arabic woman. Oh that'd really screw up conversations now and then LOL.

RC

I have absolutely no idea why 'people of color' would be scared because DT won presidency. This seems so proactively over-paranoid to me I don't even know how to address it.

I actually like that the moderators err on the side of allowing rather than restricting -- though perhaps it's a bit much on the whole jewish thing, given the number of posts about that I've seen -- but the reason I like that is because I think a lot of alleged racial prejudice is not racism at all. For example, with the Islamic thing -- to me there's a variety of issues around that NONE of which are racial -- plenty of people from the middle east are not Islamic and there's quite a few people Islamic who are non-caucasian.

And the philosophical and cultural effects of religion are definitely something that seems to fit into the forum, even if alas one mostly runs into the dark side of it.

I do understand your defense of the trying-to-exterminate-white-people comment though Ralis. I agree that one was over the top. :-)

RC

He does seem a bit distracted and subdued.

Maybe they took him to an underground room and showed him all the other clone versions of him that could live just as happily with his family and job as he is, or some other far out scheme. I always find it fascinating to wonder what ages presidents THAT badly!

RC

Gah! Please stop! If we must have yet another argument over just HOW many jews died in Nazi Germany I'm going to be sick on my screen. We have another thread for that. Or make a new one, I bet the forum staff will just love that.

Can't we keep this thread to the spewing and insult about the election and HC&DT?

There's plenty of misery and anger to go around and fill a whole 'nuther thread on that other topic, I bet.

RC

 

"He told me of alot of situations, some wonderful, some ... difficulties.."

Well, looks like Trump just learned that we are under the control of the aliens. He looks shakin'.

Great quote! Maybe so!

RC

islamaphobia:

"Where the openly stated philosophical and religious desire of a group of people to subvert, terrorize, enslave and murder everyone not-them makes you at least slightly concerned that maybe they don't have anyone else's best interests in mind."

Imagine that. You must be paranoid you racist warmonger!

It's like guns. For godssakes don't maintain any concern for your own self-protection. Not even when there are valid and serious reasons for concern. Your proactive worry for the well-being of your country, family and self is offensive! -- I mean, what if in doing so you actually hurt someone's feelings?!

RC

Gosh that video sounds just like my teen especially when she was about 16.

It took all the profound motherly love in my heart not to kill her during that period.

I hoped she would grow out of being a toxic irrational psychotic and she did. I blamed hormones.

I don't know what to say when that behavior is evidenced by lots of adults. I don't think we can blame hormones.

RC

All of these things require careful, compassionate for the welfare of a human but stern for the welfare of the group, thoughtful consideration of many details. I'm sure that's a given. Nobody would -- or could, in the case of those who would -- employ a strategy that was off the cuff or inhumane.

Much of the knee-jerk frustration about things like illegal immigration are not because people are against immigrants in general, but because currently our authorities' approach to the topic is SO bad it is literally creating resentment.

Right now for example it is not even uncommon that illegal immigrants can be arrested for a crime, tried for a crime, imprisoned for a crime, and then released -- back into the general public. California is infamous for doing that and not even notifying authorities at federal level they've done so.

Far as I'm concerned if you have valid reason to come to the attention of law enforcement -- and there should have to be a charge (just to prevent the overzealous jackboot scenario. Which I never support, but of course, one isn't supposed to be here illegally to begin with) -- and you are not legal, you get deported.

Obviously some plan has to be made; you can't deport people into the water off Florida if they're from Cuba; or into Mexico if they're from, oh I dunno, Finland or something (as if anybody from Finland is likely to want to live here, let alone illegally, lol).

And the problem with deporting to Mexico and a few other places, which is pretty much a pit run dominantly by the collusion of competing drug lords and utterly corrupt authorities at every level, is that this would have to be supported by their government or really we'd just be sending people over the border so someone could shoot them in the head, take their wallets and walk away.

One of the problems here is that other countries don't want to deal with their own people or take them back. The best thing we can do is make it known that it is very difficult to get in here, and very easy to get caught and thrown out, so people don't make the effort of getting in illegally in the first place. That's hardly an instant solution but it's the best deterrent for a problem we can't entirely solve on our own (if we look at the humane welfare of the people as part of the problem, and to me it is).

If someone is a child, or is the verifiable parent of a child here, I think most people even in favor of deporting illegals would balk at that, for several obvious reasons.

And of course you cannot just deport 12 million people even if you could find them all. (And who would want to.) (Some people might want to. I don't think more than a tiny fraction could ever be feasibly addressed.)

But the desire to address the issue is important and something needs to be done -- even if that something isn't anything like the major move the more extreme folks might hope for.

RC

CNN's home page tonight reads "Obama's Legacy Nightmare" in gigantic letters.

Glad to see objective journalism is just what it usually is... see, nothing really changes.

The news media will spend the next four years trying to keep everything hysterical.

It is distressing to see so many of my good acquaintances online saying things like "See, we're a whole nation of racists" or "See, you can be a sexist and win but you can't be a woman." As if being a woman had anything to do with it. As if things like economy/jobs/veterans/etc. as a platform had nothing to do with it.

One woman said she was really concerned for her (legal immigrant 20 years ago) Pakistani-American friend, who along with her people and all who love her are very frightened for her. WTH? It's got to be the largest mass sale of fear in history -- my gosh, and we thought the Republicans were bad selling fear for war back when, but Obama's had way more war than they did, and several other things that make even George Jr. look clean comparatively, but I guess if the news doesn't attack you and make you responsible for everything before 9am, the people won't either.

Best thing about Trump taking the chair: finally we can blame something on the President, rather than blaming everything, STILL, on George Bush Jr.

RC