བོད་སྐད་ཤེས་ཀྱི་ཡོད་པས།

ངས་བོད་སྐད་ཏོག་ཙམ་ཤེས་ཀྱི་ཡོད།

ཀུན་ཏུ་བཟང་པོ།

ཨོཾ་མ་ཎི་པདྨེ་ཧཱུྃ

ཁྱོད་ཀྱིས་བོད་སྐད་ག་ནས་ཧ་གོ་པ་རེད།

སྟོང་་གསལ་ཟུང་གཇུག།

 

Still waiting for someone to answer those questions posed in Tibetan there. Should I understand nobody knows a damm word of Tibetan?

 

22 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

One account says  that Sanat Kumara arrived on Earth with the lesser Kumaras some 18 million years ago.  Being young-looking he is sometimes called "the youth of endless summers"

 

"The Kumaras, for instance, are called the “Four” though in reality seven in number, because Sanaka, Sananda, Sanatana and Sanat-Kumara are the chief Vaidhâtra (their patronymic name), as they spring from the “four-fold mystery."

https://theosophy.wiki/en/Kumara

 

 

Lairg, there are various layers of people that are interested in Shambhala. The Theosophs have mustered massive interest in Shambhala throughout the world. But they don't know Tibetan and merely put together concepts from hearsay and made up names and places. The information is a mixture of true information and misconstrued made-up information.

 

 

In the map above, seven Buddhist temples are documented within Hulagu's empire under his rule.

 

The problem with Nungali is that the Okar Research is Trungpa Kagyupa Buddhist and I refer to my posts on page 1 of this thread about the (Kagyupa) Drikung and Sakya warring. The Kagyupas like Nungali don't want the news about Hulagu to get out. It's dynamite to them. Now this forum seems to be politically left-leaning.

 

16 hours ago, steve said:

As a Tibetan Buddhist it’s interesting to me how attached you seem to be to your samsaric stories and how carelessly you publicly share harmful gossip. You are welcome to say and think whatever you like as far as I’m concerned and I’ll respond as I see fit when so inclined.

 

On the other hand there are rules of conduct here and misogyny, homophobia, and right wing conspiracy theories tend to rub the mods and admin the wrong way so I would advice some caution on those topics.

 

I don't understand how Buddhists can be left-leaning when you see what Communism has done to destroy it in Tibet and in China. Now China's created this COVID 19 strain with AIDS in it. Strange how the Islam-loving Left is AWOL on that topic. Like all the rest. Google the KKK page, and see what it says. It says the Democratic Party created the KKK. There's so much left unsaid and so many lies occupying the public arena full-time.

I'm not homophobic nor mysogynist. And I speak, read and write Tibetan while nobody on this board does: - least of which Nungali or Steve. 

 

Just stating the fact everybody knows here.

It seems this thread is out of control.

 

I'd say there's 80% trash/troll and the rest of it is lurking watchers.

 

Steve sent a message of moderation but his ཀུན་ཏུ་བཟང་པོ།

 

....in Tibetan is a Wikipedia cut and paste so he speaks about as much Tibetan as Donald Trump.

 

I reckon that if just one percent of those that read this thread connect and find Shambhala, then the mission will have been achieved. Btw, Nungali's doing an outstanding job of underlining what I'm saying about Shambhala.

 

Ooops! while I'm posting this, Nungali's jostling at the gates and sending new posts. Ok folks, roll it!

2 minutes ago, steve said:

As a Tibetan Buddhist it’s interesting to me how attached you seem to be to your samsaric stories and how carelessly you publicly share harmful gossip. You are welcome to say and think whatever you like as far as I’m concerned and I’ll respond as I see fit when so inclined.

 

On the other hand there are rules of conduct here and misogyny, homophobia, and right wing conspiracy theories tend to rub the mods and admin the wrong way so I would advice some caution on those topics.

 

Thanks. That's clear. I didn't know there were politics on a thread about Buddhism. So so-called "right wing conspiracy theories" will include Hillary Clinton's phone she washed with bleach and Hunter Biden's videos in the simplest attire?

 

Just joking.

 

Thanks for telling me. I see where you're coming from and you're just warning me...

 

So, Obama is the Antichrist is not the right topic here.

 

Shambhala is Hulagu's Empire and he's the King of Shambhala, are both topics that are censored by the police.

 

Can I write a mantra? 

 

Om Mani Peme Hung

 

ཨོཾ་མ་ཎི་པདྨེ་ཧཱུྃ

 

I've been a religious Buddhist for fifty years and as Steve says, one should be careful what people think at the forum. So, to carry on with this thread, I'd request people ask me what they want to know instead of getting off course. To avoid discussing too much, I'll stick to the topic and not respond to catcall posts. You can also write to me privately. Shambhala is the most important topic of the last 6000 years. Dont miss it.

I'd suggest to not miss this under absolutely no circumstance!!!

Just tell me what you want me to say and think.

 

Thanks.

 

Much help for me there.

5 hours ago, steve said:

I enjoy the rain.

I’m also appreciative for your ravings about misogyny, homophobia, and antichrists as they inform me regarding the lucidity of your contributions here.

Some here talk about the truth, others indulge in flights of fantasy.

It’s all good - ཀུན་ཏུ་བཟང་པོ།

 

བོད་སྐད་ཤེས་ཀྱི་ཡོད་པས།

ངས་བོད་སྐད་ཏོག་ཙམ་ཤེས་ཀྱི་ཡོད།

 

I'm very happy like you to speak to you about misogyny, homophobia, and antichrists.

 

I'm Tibetan Buddhist and although I understand your need to demonize me, I'm sorry but I don't think I'll be able to fill the bill. Indeed, we're not opposed to women, to homosexuals nor to even antichrists.

 

Even the depth of evil must be given the benefit of compassion.

 

I'll just repeat again what's stated above, which is that the Bible says the Antichrist will hate women. I didn't write the Bible. Somebody else wrote it. Not me. Now I've just stated that all the signs indicate beyond possible doubt that Obama's the Antichrist. If that's a problem here and is seen as being racist on my part, I'll retract that. Is it OK if I retract it?

21 minutes ago, steve said:

 

When you've lived through Trump and Obama presidencies and conclude that Obama hates women and is the antichrist.

 

I think you'd do better concentrating on the "highest form of culture in the world" rather than the lowest form of negative speech.

 

 

Sorry to rain on your parade, friend. It's the Bible that says the Antichrist hates women, not me. As for the highest form of culture, Tibetan Buddhism is tuned into the wavelength of heaven's divine spirituality. I'm tuned into goodness and not evil, #666 is a good sign because it shows Obama's the Devil and that's good news, isn't it? I mean we're talking about the truth right?

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

It’s not 666.

 

The number of the Beast in Revelation is  616 
https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2005/6-may/news/uk/bible-writers-got-the-beast-s-number-wrong-say-scholars 

 

 

Wikipedia says 666 is the Number/Mark of the Antichrist. But rather than get uptight about 666, what about Obama. I heard from sources that knew him in school that his real name is not Obama and he dealt drugs while at school, servicing old white homosexuals in order to buy his coke. What do you know about that? I'l like to know about that to hear from you seeing you're very knowledgeable about these things and know much more than me about that.

 

There are reports from Man's Country bath house in Chicago, where they called Obama Bathhouse Barry. Kevin Dujan made several videos about Obama's homo life. He interviewed guys that knew Obama in Chicago. I think we should delve into that if Obama's the Antichrist don't you? The Bible says the Antichrist is predicted to hate women. Obama ticks all the boxes of the traits that fit the Antichrist. Tell me if I'm missing out on anything. Even "Drink-Along" Nungali's saying I'm wrong in saying he's an Obama lover. He says like me, that Obama's a good-for-nothing crook from Chicago. So, can you tell me what box Obama doesn't tick to fit the Satan-in-Person the Antichrist? He fits all the traits perfectly and to the T.

8 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

I find Leonardo quite satisfying

 

OK, let's say Leonardo is satisfying as you say. Sold! So where's the beef now? Who's the King of Shambhala? Hot air, much?

9 hours ago, Bindi said:

But Todd Strandberg, editor and founder of RaptureReady.com, who tracks current events and links them to biblical prophecy and is the best source online for predictions and calculations concerning the end of the world, said, and I quote, “Obama probably isn't the Antichrist”. I believe Todd Strandberg. 
 

edit to add: I’m mildly surprised that you believed Obama was the antichrist in 2015, and still do to this day. Presidents will come and go, one ex president might even go to jail soon, but you’re still touting Obama as the ultimate evil. Conspiracy theory is a pretty sad hole to get stuck in.

 

You think they'll be able to jail Biden. It's possible. The film "My Son Hunter" is ripping the Islam-loving Demcrats to shreds. I guess you're right. Donald Trump's hammering Biden to a pulp. Next he'll go after Obama. Antichrist Obama's birth certificate, lists the "Father's Race" as African. That's an obvious fake... seeing the US gov documents listed blacks in 1960 as N.groes. Obama's toast. The Antichrist falls all on his own, says the Bible. Like any Malignant Narcissist, the Devil Obama will fall on the weight of his lies, dragging him down.

Obama's like Al Capone, the Chicago criminal gangster and demonic freak show-madman from hell.

53 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

Where Shambhala is an etheric kingdom there are various names for the King such as:

 

- Sanat Kumara

- The Youth of Endless Summers

- Lord of the World

- Ancient of Days (but not the Ancient of Ancients)

- Rigden Jyepo

 

Here is Leonardo's depiction of the Lord of the World, greeting a relative from the dog star

 

 

That 'eagle' appears in many northern hemisphere nations as the double-headed eagle - looking both into the planet and into space

 

 

 

We need proof about that who the King of Shambhala is and  what Shambhala is.

 

I provide that. Period.

2 hours ago, Bindi said:

You identified who the antichrist was because some famous person happened to make a speech on the same day an unconnected state lottery had the number 666 which by your accounting occurs three times per year every year in that state??? This does suggest you have a somewhat alarming propensity for fairly broad and unfounded associative reasoning. 
 

I declare nungali the winner, even though he likes Crowley. 

 

"How could it be possible for #666 to show up in his home town the same day as his acceptance speech? It's impossible for such a coincidence to happen. #666 occurs three times a year in the Chicago Lottery. So of all the 365 days of the year, it happened right when Obama was speaking during his acceptance speech. That's precisely like lightning falling from heaven."

 

What I said was pretty clear.

 

Newsweek made an article about the event.

 

I don't think there's any doubt for people: Obama's the Antichrist.

 

How can one prove Obama's not the Antichrist. He's using a fake birth certificate and isn't called Obama at all. He has all the Antichrist's traits.

 

Revealing the Antichrist is the biggest event of the last 6000 years. The Apocalypse only happens once every 6000 years. Is there any doubt about what I say? No.

We believe in miracles in Tibetan Buddhism because we believe in a fusional relationship a bit on the model of Christianity. Other religions aren't fusional with the divine, but Tibetan Buddhism and Christianity are on the wavelength of the divine and channel heavenly power. That's why Tibetan Buddhism and Christianity are different from Atheism, Communism and Islam-loving Leftists.

Obama's the Antichrist unless I'm wrong, right seeing he's marked by #666? (how could it be possible for #666 to show up in his home town the same day as his acceptance speech? It's impossible for such a coincidence to happen. #666 occurs three times a year in the Chicago Lottery. So of all the 365 days of the year, it happened right when Obama was speaking during his acceptance speech. That's precisely like lightning falling from heaven.)

 

I'm of a royal stock and announcing the Apocalypse.

Lairg,

 

There's been a lot of discussion over the years and about where Shambhala is and who the King of Shambhala really is. Take note that Nongali doesn't say who the King is (I do) and he also relies upon the Okar Research which is Kagyupa (Trungpa)

 

I earlier wrote about the conflict between the Kagyus and my school of Ngor (Sakya). Refer back to that.

 

The Kagyupas don't go after the sources to find out who wrote what, why and when. What counts above all is following the traces of the sources, because those that wrote the texts had their hidden agendas and reasons to keep Shambhala secret. Once you see who wrote the texts, you know why he wrote it.

 

I'm based upon the Ngor School which is a school of scholarship and wisdom/learning.

 

The most prolific writer in Tibet was Buton Rinchen Drub, and he wrote in the 14th century, 80 years after Hulagu's death. There was zero reason for him to write about anything but the reality around him at his time. He wrote the main body of Kalachakra (Shambhala) literature and was Tibet's main Kalacharka propagator. His time was the aftermath of Hulagu's death and the upheavals taking place with the empire left behind at Tibet's doorstep by the phenomenal emperor Hulagu. He was a force of nature but to the Tibetans he was "one of our own", because Hulagu was buddhist and furthermore, for the Sakya Buton Hulagu was (albeit - Drikung/Kagyupa to begin with) converted to the Sakyapas by his brother Kublai Khan....

 

note: That precise topic of the conflict went very far back with the Kagyupas and Kublai.

 

 

Let's sum it up - I don't want to be too lengthy on this:

Kublai had invited Karma Pakshi (the Kagyu head lama) but when pressed to stay with Kublai in China Karma Pakshi declined and so he irritated Kublai.

 

Look at the the Karma Pakshi page in Wikipedia.

 

"At the age of forty-seven he set out on a three-year journey to China, in response to an invitation from Kublai, grandson of Genghis Khan. While there, he is said to have performed many spectacular miracles and played an important role as a peacemaker. Although requested to reside there permanently, he declined, not wishing to be the cause of sectarian conflicts with the Sakyapas, whose influence was strong in China at that time. (There is an independent western reference to his presence in the court of Kublai Khan in The Travels of Marco Polo). Over the next ten years the Karmapa travelled widely in China, Mongolia, and Tibet and became famous as a teacher. He was particularly honoured by Möngke Khan, Kublai's brother, who ruled at that time and whom the Karmapa recognised as a former disciple. After Mönke's death, Kublai became the Khan. He established the city of Cambalu, the site of present-day Beijing, from which he ruled a vast empire stretching as far as Burma, Korea, and Tibet. However, he bore a grudge against the Karmapa, who had refused his invitation to remain in China some years before and had been so close to his brother. He ordered his arrest.

The legend tells that each attempt to capture, or even kill, the Karmapa was thwarted by the latter's miracles. At one point the Karmapa 'froze' a battalion of 37,000 soldiers on the spot, by using the power of mudra, yet all the time showing compassion. He eventually let himself be captured and put in exile, knowing that his miracles and compassion would eventually lead to Kublai Khan having a change of heart which did in fact happen."

 

So Lairg, you see that Nongali's reading out of the Kagyupa handbook and that's very partial and imperfect. The whole Shambhala secrecy and hidden clues is based upon this hide and go seek between the Kagyus and Sakyas; (the political imbroglio and warring). But my Ngorpa school has left that all behind and cut to the chase so as to bring Hulagu's Kagyus to us and now reveal Shambhala for all faiths and creeds to come together about that theme. I'll come back to that below this... and in other posts too...

 

Nongali's doing great work on this thread to reveal all this story of Shambhala to the world. He's making this known to the little micro-world of the Shambhala-seeker who are like gold seekers and keep their secrets like cards close to their chests.

 

I'm not like that and I'm revealing everything I know to everybody.

 

Why's Nungali tagging along my thread if he's really found Shambhala. That's the test, Lairg. Think about it. If supposedly he had found Shambhala and if Okar Reasearch had found it, and if it was Balkh, etc...well that would be earth-shaking... breaking, hair-raising news, wouldn't it? That would be the Apocalypse and the end of the world. So why's Nungali hanging out and heckling a thread?

 

That's the test, Lairg.

 

Obviously, he's got to find some oxygen from my thread because nobody's listening to what he's saying. He's doing a humiliating "singalong" skit here. That's not being a star that has his own thread and proclaims the Coming of Jesus and the Buddhist Messiah.

 

There's another test and that's all these Shambhala/Kalachakra websites you see on Internet have never delivered the goods. When you order Uber Eats, you get a paper bag with food. But all the Shambhala blogs never deliver the food.

 

Who's the King of Shambhala?

 

So there are two tests Lairg, a. if they know where Shambhala is, why's it not first-page breaking, headline, hot, streaming news? and b. whese's the King of Shambhala, and who's he?

 

Either they deliver the news or else they're fake.

 

I'm delivering as fast as I can manage it.

 

I'd like to move on to another topic which is that if Hulagu's the King of Shambhala then the demon iing he fought was the Caliph of Baghdad. But my Tibetan Buddhism is steeped in divine spiritual intervention and sees the world through the eyes of faith-immersed devotion. So the present-day incarnation of the Demon King Krinmati (that the Kalachakra talks about) must be reincarnated today too. Well, there's a clue to who and what he is today and must be talked about now. Obama's acceptance speech in Chicago, saw the same day lottery draw in Chicago was #666. So that's the vital important sign to identify the apostate, heretical demonic Satan-in-Person, Antichrist Obama (not his real name).

 

A third test is thus that - although I mentioned this earlier -, Nungali has totally passed over this in silence. Like he's covering up for the Devil. You see Lairg, we Tibetan Buddhists are very deeply steeped in the spiritual realm and thus the miracles around the Coming of Jesus, of the Buddhist Messiah, and of the Jewish Macchiach are topics that are right up our alley but maybe miracles and divine intervention aren't topics that are dealt with in Dao Bums.

 

I've been part of the Tibetan Tantric temple for 50 years ("Ngor Ewam Phende Ling  in Normandy, France) and I did an eight-month meditation retreat on Dorje Naljorma (Vakra Yogini)  but the Westerners are very materialistic and left-wing woke Islam-lovers and don't ever talk about miracles or the divine intervention in our everyday life. They're very Atheist and fake Buddhist. But maybe Dao Bums are more sincere in their faith.

 

Miracles (like the #666 lottery) are great. But don't say heaven can't speak through the lottery because that's not true and the Bible is rife with casting lots to ask heaven's opinion about the future.

 

Why's Nungali covering up the Devil the Antichrist Obama? Why not. He's free to do what he wants.

The Antichrist Obama (not his real name) is very popular. Not only Nungali that loves him dearly, he, Obama, who is Satan-in-Person!!!! WHaaaam!

OK, 

 

I've got no gripes with Nungali's research and I agree with the consensus here that he's very intelligent. But it's just that there is a little thing that's so very inconvenient which is that "I don't agree".

 

Now, it's clear that this thread has been borne by a few only and crawls along like a snail...in fact. Yes, it's begotten 1000 views and is heading painfully on towards merely 1500.

 

But it's not only been Lairg and Nungali posting: there have been a few posts by Cobie and "Natural" just posted recently but deleted his/her post.

This says a lot about the topic of Shambhala with both intrigues and surprises.

 

I think we have more than good use of many posters and many ideas. I'm here to exchange and confront povs; and all are more than welcome, at least that's my opinion.

 

I think we can propulse this into cyberspace and serve as testimony and archive. There are countless hosts of Shambhala websites out there and I think this one will take it's place of honor among them in a few days.

 

I've been trying to show how I went about my research and how I finally found Shambhala quite by chance. If we have two competing Shambhalas that have been discovered isn't that a good thing? That's going to be my position from now on and not a war of words about who's got the biggest vehicle. Let's say this is a war between McDonald's and Burger King and we're here to hassle the opposition. Why not? If that's the only way to go.

But there are now at least a few more than just us three posting at this thread, so I'd like to discuss freely with whoever feels a lust for freedom and for finding Shambhala and who believes the King of Shambhala is the world Savior and Jesus Christ, the Messiah and Lord of the World all rolled into one.

Nungali,

 

Hulagu was a Tengrist added to a Buddhist, and he prayed to them in combo, with a pinch of Christian on the side, with that.

 

The reason the Tibetan Buddhists called him King of Shambhala was a koan, impossible riddle to solve, unless one had a meditation gift and saw the light.

 

Nungali, do you know Beelzebub?

 

Shambhala is the anagram for Baalshamin, which is the model for Beelzebub: so the Savior, World Messiah of Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Judaism, Hulagu - the King of Shambhala - was modeled upon Beelzebub.

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Also , we dont need such high tech . The descriptions of the geography in the relevant texts are  so unusual they are easy to match .   How many circular rivers do you know of that encircle a central cluster of high peaks , with deep   fertile  valleys ( and hidden settlements )  surrounded by 4 other mountain systems ( other related 'Empires' / countries (at the time ) , also mountainous .

 

It shows up clearly visually from high altitude orbit , or on google earth , no need for ground penetrating , LIDAR, etc .  It even has an easy spotted corridor into Tibet .

 

Its both physical and 'etheric'   ,  of course   

 

Its west of Tibet , but people in Central Asia said 'wisdom' came from the east  - that narrows it down a bit .

 

I will post the stylised map / yantra once more

 

 

 

There are more stylised versions

 

 

In this case the internal geometric patterns are based on fortifications around cities/ settlements    and I can show you ruins of them  in pictures  . 

 

It aso appears that we can trace many of these designs from Ancient Saka * forts , into carpet weaving designs in Tajikistan ( there is hint ! ) all the way to Tibet in Kalachakra tantraic  mandalas.

 

*   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka

 

 

 

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You're making things up as you go along, Nung, 

 

Now I'll take this away. I'm not going to sit around and listen to this crap. Nung, either you found Shambhala or not. Take your dump or get off the toilet.

 

You're not authorized to talk about scriptural authority for Shambhala. You're not talking about the Kalachakra. But you're talking a lot about the Bön.

 

So what is it? The Kalachakra? Or Bön? 

 

In the Kalachakra ,there are two main traditions. They go through Tibetan authors that propagated them. They speak about old origins of the Tantra, but the main body of the Kalachakra was written by the most recent authors.

 

Like so many Westerners Nung, you're not relying upon the Tibetans for your research. You're doing your little piecemeal, armchair research but not relying upon the sources nor the scriptures.

 

Your "findings" are New Age out there stuff.

 

Now what you should have been doing from the start, is talk about who wrote the Kalachakra and who invented the Shambhala myth.

 

It's not rocket science you know. You waste a lot of time on other random stuff when you should be cutting straight to the chase.

 

The dates for the Kalachakra's main propagation are right after Hulagu's time, when Buton Rinchen Drub was composing massive Kalachakra literature.

 

Once that's down pat, we have to look at who he is and what his political alliances were. Now we're getting somewhere. Now we see why he made a Shambhala Myth and what for.

 

This is what I've been talking about since this thread started. I'm talking about the Sakya author Buton and his alliances with various forces in Tibet and the Mongol forces outside Tibet that were vying for influence inside the Tibetan world - in China, Russia, - in Iran/Syria etc...

 

Nung your view is more like Disney World than Buddhism, honestly. It's more like a Lego World universe.

heading for 1000 views...this is the most active of Dao Bums right now.

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

He thinks its the western Mongolian Empire, all the way to Turkey . So that area MIGHT show some old ruins of ancient cities    

 

Good luck with that Nung. (the links you sent about your "theories.") Hahahaha!

 

Yes there are remains of Buddhist temples in the Hulagu Khan Empire, the Ilkhanate.

 

https://www.academia.edu/7925048/Ilkhanid_Buddhism_Traces_of_a_Passage_in_Eurasian_History

 

Here:

 

14 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

With ground-penetrating radar in satellites it is easy to detect the remains of ancient cities.   Does Google Earth have a large blurred area west of Tibet?

 

Is Shambhala etheric rather than dense physical? 

 

Is "west" an energy reference rather than a geographical reference?

 

 

 

 

 

The Theosophical Society developed the idea of an underground world from the Kalachakra teaching that spoke about a hidden land.

 

I'm unwinding both the Theosophical Society's idea so as it solve it and the Kalachakra riddle.

 

No need for laser-sharp military drones, nor for underground travel.

 

What's needed is laser-sharp minds to study, and intellectual research to travel through the archives of time.

 

I understand this is confusing. When I wrote this: "... a mythical hidden land called Shambhala (which is situated to the West of Tibet i.e. exactly where Hulagu Khan's Middle Eastern Empire is.)." I mean the contours of Hulagu Khan's empire.

 

Nungali sent a map of what I'm talking about in a post on Page 2 of this thread:

 

 

He also sent this link https://www.timewisetraveller.co.uk/halagu.html

 

It's a good summing up for the whole Mongol Conquest. It shows that the world was divided among the four grandsons of Genghis Khan at the widest expanse: Hulagu Khan, Kublai Khan, Batu Khan and their uncle Ogedei Khan. 

 

The Western Tibetan extent of Hulagu's empire was the region in Nungali's map that's in yellow (in a pyramid-form), just above the "Sultanate of Delhi". That region was made up of what's called appanages, which means that they came under the privilege of levying taxes by the one or the other of the Mongol families.

 

("appanage" definition: "a provision made for the maintenance of the younger children of kings and princes, consisting of a gift of land, an official position, or money.")

 

Western Tibet was face to face with Kublai Khan's possessions on the rest of Tibet but Hulagu held the areas that his own sect of Drikung Kagyu held, which were Ladakh, Mount Kailash, Ngari.

 

(My school of Ngor has since then converted the region of Ngari to our tradition and we're thus realizing the prophecy by Buddha that Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, our founder, would be Buddha's own reincarnation and spread the Buddha Dharma worldwide. Indeed, by converting the previous Drikung Kagyu, Hulagu region of Ngari, our founder Ngorchen,

1. united the lands of Hulagu,

2. the lands of Kublai,... seeing Ngorchen belonged to the Sakyas that Kublai had protected,...and

3. the sect of Drikung - Kagyu

4. the Sakya

5. Shambhala, including in it's realm Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Judaism, as well as the faith of Baalshamin, aka the shamanic Tengrist faith of the sky-god.

 

Those regions remained under Hulagu's control when Kublai took over Tibet. Hulagu and his brother Mongke had fleetingly held the land of Tibet previously under the rule of the Kagyupas, under Karma Pakshi. Why was this land so secret? It's because  Hulagu's Empire was a land of Tibetan Buddhism but because of the power-brokering between the brothers Hulagu and Kublai they split up the world between themselves. Then the two Buddhist brothers became estranged on opposite sides of the world.

 

The two worlds starting traveling away from each other like spaceships traveling out into space and leaving each other far, far behind. That's how the notion of lost and hidden land came into being, Lairg.  But they vowed to find themselves again in the future, even if it be only in a future lifetime.

 

That's in a nutshell the story of the hidden land of Shambhala, Lairg. Is it any clearer or did I even muddle it up worse than before?

 

I'll sum that up if you like.

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

Maybe the name Sham is like Smith is in the west  ? 

 

Think about that. When you see the name Sham, does that remind you of anything?

If you concentrate you'll think: "I've got it! So smart! Sham makes me think of Shambhala. Sham is like Sham and Bhala is Bhala."

If they give Nobel Prizes you're sure to get one Nung. You're a pure genius.

Mad Max drinkin' Nongali can't stop and keeps on rantin' non-stop. Let it rip! God's speed to MM Nun. I doubt he's a Buddhist despite what he says, because he doesn't talk like a Buddhist, more like a crazy loonie from the OUtback or like anti-Buddhist freaks like David Snellgrove or Jean Luc Achard, the Bonpo madman, Buddha-hater, (my co-student at university - INALCO Paris - for three long years).

Shams al-Din's name was certainly used (in multiple aliases and namesakes), to mark the datelines of Hulagu's dynasty and also marked the geographical limits of his empire, from Konya in Turkey, (where Shams e-Tabrizi came from - all the way to Kutch and Multan, in Pakistan/India - where we find the same Shams Tabraiz (missionary) i.e. "Shamsuddin Sabswari"...in between those extreme limits of Hulagu's empire to the West and East,  we have the central part of Hulagu's empire with Baghdad where Hulagu razed Baghdad, and Hulagu's capital in Iranian Azerbaijan where Shams e-Tabrizi is also said to be buried - in Khoy -, and Shams al-Din is also buried there: and they're buried right at the same time as Hulagu.) But this name of Shams has a different dimension as well, because it represents missionaries and messiah-figures of Sufism and Ismailism (which are tolerant sects of Islam) that accepted Buddhism as a converging influence. The convergence of an union of Buddhism and islam was achieved under Hulagu and among his succeeding descendants that converted to Islam but also converted their followers to forms of Buddhist-Islam such as they themselves practiced. I'm not just supposing this but have the proof in examples of Hulagu's successors such as Ghazan's tolerant policy (though himself being a Muslim) towards Buddhism, marrying several Christian wives etc...

Through the gruesome horror of Hulagu's Mongol Rule and dynasty, we see the emergence of a tolerant form of fusional religion that includes and overarches all faiths and all creeds. That's the world faith of Kalachakra taught in Shambhala, by the King of Shambhala. It's the Christian Apocalypse's Messiah, the Jewish Macchiach, the Buddhist King of Shambhala ("Rudra Chakrin") etc...all faiths are realized at that moment of revelation.

Shamsuddin Sabzwari

Shamsuddin is the same name as Shams al-Din.

 

This personage resembles Shams Tabraiz (missionary) ... mentioned above in the thread .... and their lives are practically the same. I say that this is one more Shams Al-Din figure that fit perfectly with the dates and places of Hulagu Khan if one looks at the biographical background. He originates from Sabzwari which is right next to Sistan where Hulagu's empire's destiny played out as I indicated in a previous post. This saint Shamsuddin, is an Ismaili (Persian) missionary to Multan and Pakistan (which is a recurrent feature of the Shams al-Din personages which one finds in historical sources.)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamsuddin_Sabzwari

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

 I wipe my arse with royalty. 

 

Australia is a dominion of the English Royal Crown.

My Norwegian country is also a Royal country under the same family as the British Crown of England.

So, the Australians and I are of the same Royal empire.

Just sayin'.

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