Karl

Your fractured narrative regarding global warming is completely flawed. 97% of all climatologists agree that humans are the cause for AGW. Have you read any of the research or are you listening to the corporate shills that are paid to spew propaganda?

 

For a further understanding of the earth's complex biosphere, a primer in complex non-linear dynamics is appropriate.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc

 

Dr. Oreskes is a climate historian at Harvard University. She discusses the propaganda model that big tobacco companies used to deceive the public regarding cigarette smoking. The same model is being used by global warming deniers to deceive the public.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXyTpY0NCp0&list=PL1eZiQLduolmhW7FUoMay4x4t8-Uf82cC

I don't give a fuck about AGW, is that clear enough for you. As for smokers they all knew, as did non smokers that cigarettes were bad for their health-the argument had been settled conclusively by the millions of wheezing, gasping, sick smokers who had tried to stop.

In my mind there is a large middle ground between having some government and the NWO.   Karl, if you want to live in the world of possibility you may want to aim at smaller government, which is certainly possible, versus No Government which barring apocalypse is not. 

 

I think Rallis is for smaller government.  Really most people are.  They just want to cut programs that help other groups . 

If others wish to live under a ruler then I have no problem with it. I and many others do not choose to live under a ruler just as I don't wish to steal, rape or murder people. If other people wish to live like wild animals then they are welcome to choose a zoo.

Got a fishing boat years ago.

Never really caught much,mostly none caught,sometimes one or two fish.

 

Still got the boat,don't go out much.

Happy for fish to stay in the water and be fish.

 

Impermanence is everywhere.

I like them battered and fried with chips, mushy peas and a cup of tea. Nice pan fried or oven roasted. Not keen on the bones.

Wow an actual denier! Ur views are hilarious.

Not half as unfunny and dangerous as yours fortunately.

Karl,Please stop deflecting.Answer the questions or say you have never experienced them. But dismissing people and then claiming Trivium is like the end all be all is kinda funny.

How can I say if I have or haven't if I don't know how you define your experience so I can contrast it with mine ?

Neither have I said the Trivium is the be all and end all, unlike the practitioners on this website who do say exactly that. The Trivium is simply a more accurate way of establishing the veracity of your claims for practices.

Karl I know we debated earlier about the trivium vis a vis meditation etc. Since I am always looking to open my mind more I have tried looking into the trivium more to see if its something that could help me. I came across the guy you linked to who interviewed Joslin earlier, Jan Irvin. He has the Trivium education site Im sure youre aware. I listened to him interviewed by Dave Asprey and was kind of taken aback by how he just in that interview himself made quite a few leaps of logic and when Dave questionsed some of the things he was saying he usually cut him off and rambled. He did a very poor job of getting across what the trivium could do to benefit someone to follow the method.

 

I also perused his website and was astounded. Its conspiracy theory central. Having already been told by you that you believe definitively in a Nwo amongst other things I can only conclude that either the trivium leads to these types of beliefs or these beliefs have been indoctrined into you. I listened to 3 or 4 of his interviews and again, the leaps of logic made are incredible. a few of the interviews about how music throughout our history has been used to control us were entertaining, yet I found it extremely disparaging that Irvin didnt appear to be using the trivium on his guests who were making some VERY dubious connections and logical fallacies almost every 2minutes. Alleister Crowley is apparently the godfather of the modern musical devil worshipping groups from the beatles to david bowie. The rolling stones apparently have performed ritual sacrifices. and on and on. Yet in these same interviews meditation is frowned upon as a mind control device. They never really backed up their facts, and a google search revealed the same tenuous connections with not much substance.

 

I guess I am dissapointed. The trivium itself may in fact be a great way to see reality, but since we are on the topic of gurus in this thread I guess maybe the method itself most likely deserves better representatives to pass it down. I guess im asking who would be a better source to go to to maybe look into learning this stuff? I have to admit visiting Irvins site and seeing the massive amount of beliefs that are just to me another system of fear mongering was extremely off putting. Thanks.

Another option is the Mises course on Mises.com but that comes in at $49. I used Peikoff on the advice of Gene. That course was $11 and you must factor in that Peikoff is an objectivist although he sticks essentially to the pure Aristotlian logic and he does put out where objectivism can offer an alternate.

Finally of course you could buy Lionel Ruby's book -Logic and Introduction and work through it yourself ( the issue here is that you won't get the more intense

There are always downsides to every option, but once you have the basics you will be able to see where the faults lie anyway.

As far as 'conspiracy theory' I was also of that opinion. However there are conspiracies and conspiracies. Some, like Fabian's, Unesco, Club of Rome and the US governments own announcement of Agenda21/NWO are stated world aims and not hidden in any way. No reason you have to buy into any of it in order to work through the Trivium and really it's best to have the Trivium onboard if you interest runs into investigation so you can seperate reality from fiction.

Make your logic better than theirs :-) there are no gurus here, learn then be better.

A better link probably :

http://www.triviumeducation.com/

Interesting, about the promoting the healing of bones.  My cat jumps from tall fences and I do worry about how hard she lands sometimes.  Maybe the purr is the body's way of healing their hairline fractures, or something.  Fodder for thought.

 

When my kitty wakes me up in the morning, on my chest purring because she's ready for the Meow Mix - I like to purr back at her.  Just a low rumbling sound in the back of my throat does it - and she just loves it.  She keeps rubbing her head up against mine so hard, it's like she's trying to get in there.

 

What incredibly subtle and wonderful animals they are.  Oh.  And the gifts they bring!  How could we live without them??

Meow Mix :-) our cats used to love that stuff.

I find the purring extremely relaxing so perhaps it's a social thing to prevent aggression. If you pick up a small cat by the scruff of its neck it will go limp like a rag doll. This is how it's mother would carry it and so it won't offer any resistance. Don't try it with a heavy cat.

We used to get mice, rats, a live rabbit and a couple of pigeons and crows. Not so keen on ducks though. We had a nesting pair in our garden and the cats would pad round them, or even walk beside them, but showed no inclination to attack.

Rothbard covered the basics :

https://mises.org/library/libertarian-manifesto-pollution

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Russia put a flag in the bottom of the arctic ocean and has built the largest military force in the arctic ocean. So does russia now own the arctic ocean? If not why? Also wilk the privitization of the arctic stop oil drilling there since it just escalates global warming? Tell me how the arctic shud br privatized to preserve the environment?

You have a habit of adding your personal bias into your arguments in a way which does not help them.

Russia is a state, not a private, free market enterprise.

There has been no global warming for 17 years despite the previous claims of a 2 degree rise.

You want to 'preserve the environment' but that isn't my aim. The environment is constantly changing without mans help. My aim is not to cause unnecessary damage and to have the free market allocate resources properly.

Mother nature is persucuting the private farms that created the dead zones. It was polluted as a free market externality. It was clean as owned by mother nature. The government of mn is requiring the farmers to haver buffer strips. They say rmthat is against their private rights. What do u think? Peaolpe cant eat money so forcing farmers into bankruptcy eud be stupid.

Find me the article so I can read it for myself then I will give you my opinion.

Give me ur private property answer to dead zones in the oceans from nitrate fertilizer runoff into streams and rivers?

Your answer is to let it continue. Private ownership of the ocean would mean prosecution for those producing the pollution by those owning the ocean.

I read through part of your thesis. You have lots of factual evidence, but your conclusion is wrong. Most of the factual stuff such as Plato, HG Wells etc is right, but then you get sidelined into mathematical modelling and resonance whilst connecting it to economics. That's a basic error which is the result of not understanding economic science except for the new wave empirical modellers that regard economics in a similar way to a science like physics. The resonance/spiral is connected to music etc, it is connected to everything but it isn't in the human spirit/action anymore than atoms of carbon.

You are completely crackers, you have no valid argument just a load of disparate, disconnected ideological mysticism. It's pointless continuing a discussion with someone so bereft of logical rationality.

The power to control language offers far better prizes than taking away people’s provinces or lands or grinding them down in exploitation. The empires of the future are the empires of the mind”

– Winston Churchill

Very good. Daniel is clearly the aggressor in that version of events, but they are excerpts and I can't remember the film in context.

Bees .....funny.

Considering the chinese are in a huge multinational dispute about the south sea islands what fantasy world are on living on? Rape is rape. Mar rape goes back to greek mythology. International law defers ownership to the pillagers as a race to extinction based on free market ideology of wto.

State on state. There are no private properties rights for states. A state is not a person. Who claims the territory ? It is a proxy land grab utilising the resources of the producers to procure arms/force.

The law is the law. Theft is theft. Rape is just property theft as is murder. It is the violent appropriation of that which is unearned.

The 'free market' is not an ideology. It is proper allocation of resource and increasing wealth for voluntary participants in the round. It's foundation is private ownership and property rights. States ignore both. Governments are instruments of theft and are maintained by theft.

The Bible had some pretty good advice about theft. Thou shall not steal. Theft implies something privately owned by fair, productive means. It is not to be appropriated by the force of arms of government.

If you participate in it consciously and voluntarily, then you are equally responsible. Just because you did not hold the gun, or pull the trigger it makes you no less guilty. Karma huh, it's a bitch.

Well, that explains it Karl. 

But you haven't explained it, managed to define it, or demonstrated it. You have a bunch of concepts for which there are no clear definitions beyond feelings. If I push you, then you will tell me that you just know and all the books tell you these things are real. You are not applying critical thinking to your practices because the gurus, books, feelings tell you that these things will slow/stop your spiritual progress. Yet you do not ask 'what' is spiritual progress, what are these practices doing, what are the purposes of them ? You have accepted the premises without a shred of doubt. I did the same thing.

Ok.

You said:

 

How could some like you, who claims to have meditated for eight years not have experienced any bliss?

How could you "become" Ramana and not experience any bliss? Ramana is so full of bliss that there is no way an authentic experience of meeting Ramana could not produce the experience of bliss.

And, Jesus emanates so much love and bliss that it is very hard to miss it.

I can't help but think that you just play with your powers of visualization and imagination and fooled yourself into thinking that it was an authentic spiritual experience.

Samadhi is bliss. There are many kinds of samadhi hence many kinds of bliss. Even the jhanas have a pronounced level of bliss that you have to get through.

You have said that you would pick trivium over meditation. I can see why. You have missed an essential ingredient of spiritual development.

The natural state is blissful. Primordial consciousness is blissful.

Ajahn Brahm describes the jhanas as "better than sex". I concur.

Perhaps you could make an effort and practice a proper technique in order to attain samadhi just once. It would help you realize something.

I do not 'claim' that's what I did.

Define 'bliss'.

I could never have actually become SRM, but I learned how to model him.

It's hard to know who exactly Jesus was or if he even existed as a single person.

I've never had a spiritual experience that I didn't use my power of imagination to create.

Define Samahadi.

The Trivium is the best meditation there is-infinitely superior if you wish to know reality. If you want a mystic experience then carry on with your practices and you will discover many.

Define natural state/primordial consciousness.

Plateau Orgasm is better than sex. Love is better than both.

I'm already real-I-see.

I know you mean well TI :-) so do I.

In your entire narrative here, you have failed to mentioned the problems of human nature. Avarice, sociopathology, psychopathology, dishonesty, war and the failure to respect others boundaries. That is where government is necessary so that rules are instituted to prevent chaos. History is replete with examples of the lowest of human behavior.

Of course you have either bought into this BS because you are unable to discriminate, or you are an official part of it. Jury's out on that at the moment.

Your narrative is exactly that of one who supports the NWO. It has the flavour of the Hegelian dialectic with its synthesis. I can read it very easily-just so you know. Occasionally I like to throw the dog a bone and see what it does with it ;-)

Avarice, psychopaths, dishonesty, war, boundaries are inherent features of the state and its government. Chaos has been guaranteed by its existent ene and not diminished.

What your synthesis requires is 'one world' in which everyone is exactly equal, total control by an intellectual elite, no more wars, population control, eugenics, the removal of human 'insanity' by force if necessary-reduction in male population, the ending of the destruction of Gaia.

Is that about it ?

I attribute some of 'our' poorness to the 'flattening' of the world.  The economy has gone global.  There are a lot of boats in the third world that have risen; and our first world boats (now manufactured in China) have gone down a bit because of it. 

 

I may be channeling my inner Marx but in terms of the total humanities well being, the human race in toto might be the better for it.  Since the low end that was rose, was in bad poverty ridden shape. 

Well to some extent this is true. An enormous number of people moved from poverty stricken agriculture and into higher value production. This is good for everybody 'all things being equal' however, all things are not equal. The resultant collapse of the western middle classes is a result of government. This is the result of several policies:

1. To control the money supply creating high levels of debt. Low returns on capital savings. Moving wealth to the already wealthy.

2. Crony capitalism that has destroyed opportunities for new, competetive businesses through regulations/subsidies/tariffs.

3. An education system which has been designed for an economy which no longer exists and which is about state control.

4. An over expensive bloated state, welfare, public wage/pension, warfare state government which takes too much tax, borrows too much and is preventing opportunity of employment for the poor/ethnic/black/ young through minimum wages.

We have a collapse in the policies which made the West wealthy and are well on the way to a stagnant west which has been called 'the fourth world' which is a world by design or the NWO. Indeed your assertion that you believe this 'equalling up' of countries as being desirable is precisely the propaganda that has been pumped out for the last 25 years. Of course you need to know what you are being fed in order to resist it.

Hey!  And I don't suffer either.  I'm not Buddhist.

Its true-only Buddhist suffer.

I'd like to correct some things I said in that post. I was in a hurry when I wrote it.

 

I can't claim that kundalini awakening isn't awakening. It's just not how it happened for me. I had kundalini my whole life and it brought many different states of awareness, but it took losing everything, including self-concept, in the preparation for bodily death, that made me realize true nature.

 

What I meant by practical understanding is that without root, it's difficult to embody the values and discern true from fiction. A person with an open third eye is still going to have trouble discerning if they're ungrounded, because they'll be stuck in the abstract realm of the upper chakras. It's my strong opinion (based on my own experience), that we need this physical body for realization. People with developed upper chakras but weak lower chakras tend to be caught in the myth that awakening means transcendence, so they're always trying to go "up" somewhere. Yes there are other realms beyond the physical and beyond the human, but if you're still stuck in identity/ego consciousness then you'll just be adding more layers to it wherever you think you're going. It also tends to get caught up in feeling bliss, i.e. bliss = awakening, because kundalini can feel so good.

 

Awakeness is right here. It doesn't get any better than this present moment. You don't need to know what chakras are to be awakened, but maybe chakras will be part of your awakening somehow. I don't know. Suffering is a well worn spiritual path and that's how it unfolded for me, but I've met a few other awake people for whom it didn't happen this way. I dunno... it's spontaneous. I make no claims about how it all works, as I'm not responsible for my own awakening.

How are you defining awakened ?

All this stuff about Chakras and bliss mean nothing at all to me. They aren't part of any experience I'm aware of and neither is Kundalini or bliss.

You believe that the body is simply a vessel for realisation, but not what you define as realisation ?

Neither do I know what you mean by 'realms beyond the human' ? There are plenty of places where humans aren't within the universe for certain. Is that what you mean ?

2 agrees, one a greatly agree, one disagree, and a ???.

Slowly your making progress with me .

Despite the improvements the free market (or wthat which remains) our standard of living of the middle classes is falling. A good example is the current cost of housing. In 1950 a median income could purchase a median home for two years income. Today it takes 10 years of income to buy that same home, despite the government policies to make houses more affordable, they have become 500% more expensive.

The value of income has fallen and where once it required only one wage earner to support a family in reasonable comfort, it now take both husband and wife to work. One might ponder the effect on the children in a family that must utilise the state to be babysitter and parent whilst the natural parents work.

What about education. Highly educated students leaving college with enormous debts they will never pay back, trying to find jobs that do not exist.

We could look at the QE scams, artificially low interest rates which have destroyed savings and dragged retirees back into the workforce.

Then there are the wars which have increased the threat to our safety and cost us more of our production and the blood of soldiers , the intensive, costly, personal surveillance on our private lives as a result of creating enemies.

Then the Health service which, in the UK is collapsing and Obamacare which is a costly mess.

It's pretty endless really, but hey, if I can make a bit of progress then all is good :-)

Funnily enough I have just been talking to a guy on the Disqus open comment site who posted a link to Setfan Molyneux's lecture. He was a bit surprised it 'resonated' with me as there are so few of us.

Some of those in Power have lovely Palaces/Cars/Planes/Ships etc., whilst their people starve & have Nothing !

They prevent the people owning land or resource and are often reliant on foreign aid plus the income derived from foreign companies who mine their resources. Effectively a version of whisky, guns and beads in order that the population is kept poverty strapped and incapable of revolution.

Are you trying to confuse you?  I have never been accused of being a passive person.  Not ever.  Those things I can do something about I do.  Some things are beyond my capabilities and capacities.  Those things I ignore.  (But I remain aware.  I don't want to be stabbed in the back again.)

Thought so, just checking you hadn't suffered a regressive incapacitation which would have been out of character for you.

But I can't change it.  Why waste any effort trying to do so?  My life will one day end but the bullshit will live on.

 

Some things and some people need be ignored.  Hey, we even have an "Ignore" button on this board.

You mean actively ignored ? Then you are exercising free will and ARE doing something about it, contrary to what you have said. Passively wishing it away is doing the Ostrich thing.