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    Believe? If you really think belief is going to take you anywhere then good luck to you my friend and sweet dreams.

     

     

    What I'm still waiting to see is somebody who has the balls to take on the real challenge

    http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/jref-news/1239-mdc-changes.html

     

     

     

    and not a staged show with his own "believing" students.

     

    Come on guys go and get your million bucks prize - you don't have to use it yourself and ruin your humble "image" that you are displaying you can donate the money to the poor kids in Uganda, to the few pandas left in China or to

    St. Jude Children's Research Hospital

    and if you can't do it go get your Iron Shirt Neigong Super Back Bone marrow grandmaster to do it and he can donate it to the fine government of China if he pleases but please stop lying to yourselves.

     

    This is getting really old already guys!

    I bet you most of the people on these posts are not that young anymore....

     

    There's more real power in these churches then in all Mantak Chia's system

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oqcG1Ws5FE

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    For those who wants to know what Iron Shirt is all about. Iron Shirt means that you are wearing a shirt which repels anybody get near you. As soon one touches you, one flies away from you. Btw Iron Shirt is a very powerful form of Neigond(內功). In Tai Ji Quan, Fajin is the internal strength, thus it is a form of Neigong. In general, anything has something to do internally is considered Neigong.

     

     

    By "anybody" you meant to say all his students that strongly believe in this show.

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    I have been practicing MC stuff... ;)

    Would you like to let me know why is it incomplete?

     

    It is incomplete for many reasons. It is like somebody is teaching you how to build an airplane but all they teach you in the book is basic algebra and they say - if you get really good at algebra then one day you will build an airplane.

    But I doubt that you understand that. I have zero interest in convincing you either way.

    But if you are really practicing it - then instead of wasting your time on the forum go and study with Mantak Chia directly or Michael Winn - that teaching is very accessible so there is no point in getting a 2nd hand opinion

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    There's no proof that Mantak Chia's Iron Shirt works. I met a lot of Mantak Chia "experts" even some of his "instructors" and they all have a lot of theories and nothing else. His taichi expertise I would question as well.

    The only thing that he is good at is his Microcosmic Orbit practice - which I'm not sure were exactly it can take you.

    This "Microcosmic Orbit practice" after some practice will create some "sensations" in you like (heat, pressure, spinning effect etc) So the practitioners get all excited about that and they are convinced that now they understand Qi and Jing etc.

    But they still can't do anything with it because the system is incomplete.

    Some of his exercises got included in other practices and that made it even worse because it's taking the practice even further away from the source.

    But Mantak Chia is a smart dude. For example if you are sick and you go to his healing center - he will immediately send you to a local hospital first and then after you get your health back then he will "treat" you some more amazing qigong applications.

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    Does Wang Liping teach regular seminars in China? I noticed he taught a seminar at Jinhua last year, but I didn't see anything for this year.

     

    A very good friend of mine studies under Wang Liping for a few years already. Basically there are a few different circles of students. My friend managed to become part of a russian group (although he is not russian) and they meet a few times a year for an intense practice. This guy practices everyday for at least 1 hour and has some very interesting results even at home. When he is in the seminar with Wang Liping - they meditate for many long hours everyday and often it gets very very painful.

    Also every time he travels to China for a seminar he spends a few thousands dollars. So it's not for everybody.

    It's definitely not for me although I introduced him to the group.

    But Wang Liping is for real and according to my friend there is a big difference between studying with him and studying with one of his students.

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    It's a well known fact that Master Wang was able to project his energy and to throw his enemy away without efforts: it's enough to think at the Great Master Sewai who cannot defeat him and became his disciple.

    That said, I think that modern practitioners should consider his view carefully because to examine martial art theories was the goal of his life... and if he said that the idea of filling the dantien with Qi is a misunderstanding, there is some truth in it.

     

    Yes, this requires self-criticism because some people today consider QiGong as the way to be a 2nd Jesus...

     

    "Therefore, using strength is a great taboo in combat science. As for the theory of the dantian qi, from the theoretical point of view, field tests, and my own perception from experience and observation, this theory does not seem proper. Within the abdomen there are the intestines, the stomach, and the liver, there is no place to fill with the qi. As for the functions of force, they are all effects of the opposite power, the explosive power, and the power of the universe combined, and exerted together with breath that makes the body bulge and undulate, open and close, and the body and spirit being integrated with the atmosphere in one's mind.

     

    That has nothing to do with what the people call the qi of qigong. They always take a potbelly as dantian qi, that is just extremely wrong. One must know that when exerted, the strength must be issued evenly and completely. In order to be entirely free from worry and to gain strength, one should also be at leisure and natural, that is just being reasonable. The students of modern times do not understand this truth, they spend dozens of years working hard, and instead of gaining lively bodies and minds from the training, they become machines. Is that not a great pity!"

     

    In this world full of great experts on "what Taiji Quan is", I should really bow down.

     

    But please, take the time to read this little article in which the Great Master Wan Xiang Zhai talks about Tai Ji Quan.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    You can find the complete interview here http://taijijourney.blogspot.it/2005/07/interview-with-mr-wang-xiangzhai.html

     

    Good article - straight to the point. For a lot of people is hard to accept that because of the time and money invested in their own path and teachesr - it's hard to admit that you were on the wrong path and never learned anything.

     

    But it's never too late to accept that although it takes big donkey balls to do that.

     

    The question is always - were do you find a good teacher like that?

     

    Also question - is that your website?

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  9. Posted

    That's not a bad judgement - that's the main idea of any spiritual path.

    The skill is going to be useless as we get old.

    The power is going to be lost because our batteries do have a limited life span.

    And what is left is exactly that - your Ego.

    And if we don't take care of it - the ego is going to be too dirty or too weak or just plain wrong and not allowed in Heaven.

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    I want to know for real...I've done my own research and have read about 2nd hand stories about QiGong masters pushing away attackers without a single touch, you know what I'm talking about because all those videos are all over youtube. Even my own asian friend told me of a story where his grandfather and father sparred and the father could never touch the grandfather. But the grandfather never told him how to attain this power.

     

    The only conclusions that I could come to from doing all this research is that yes this energy is real but you have to have some sort of rapport or connection with the person your are using it against in order for it to work. So for example, once I mastered it, I could use it against my friend, family member, coworker because they all know me, are close to me, or have some form of link to me. But if you put me up against Joe Schmo off teh street who doesn't know me, then he would not be affected by my QiGong energy. Tell me if this is true or not? Give me your take.

     

    There are 2 different situations:

    1st category - is the psychological type of trick where the modern qigong masters can only do it to their students - btw the video that you mentioned shows exactly that. Although there are 2 non students watching it - the master never really shows them anything under the pretext that the energy is too powerful and they couldn't handle it. That is the most common pretext that you will find when dealing with these masters.

     

    2nd Category - The real skill that works against Joe Schmoe and against anybody else. That's the kind that John Chang has and he is the only one that for some reason made it opened for a while to anybody and then changed his mind and doesn't teach it to non-asians anymore. There should be a few more guys like him in the world but we don't have access to them - in terms of learning the skill - you can still go and get a good demo but it would cost you an arm and a leg.

     

    Conclusion - here on the taobums (and lots of other forums) if anybody claims that they have the power - they are refering to the 1st category - although they might try to assure you that it's the real deal. And they are not lying to you - the actually "believe" in that bs - that's why it works on them

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    Hey Scotty,

     

    Nice post and reference to a book... I have often felt that the Tummo needs an accessible book. I hope this maybe can deliver on that.

     

    I do know that some can swim in the very cold waters as a part of tradition or practice, without tummo. My ex-wife's father in law was german born and he could do that quite easily. It was an act of will and determination; I would say the mind/heart is 'controlling' their Way. (Heart is the 'supreme commander' in TCM).

     

    What Wolf and Tummo can do can be scientifically measured. I saw a documentary on his being brought to a US college to be put in a tub of ice and probes measured his internal temperature... and they predicted his core temperature MUST go down; that he could control certain levels but not the core temperature... To their absolute amazement (research scientist) his core temperature went UP in an ice bath. No swimming; no movement to generate heat.... Sitting in NOTHING but ice... It seems fitting he is called the ICE MAN.

     

    A final note... this is a Tibetan method... I hope that someone could share a history of it. I have read a little bit (Magic and Mystery in Tibet by Alexandra David-Neel). Very few books have changed my perspective more than this one...

     

     

    Sitting in ice is a lot easier then sitting in ice cold lake. The core temperature goes naturally up by itself if the body is used to the practice - you don't need movement. All this can be scientifically measured on people that don't do tummo.

    It's the same thing guys.

    What is cool is that the lady in one of the videos cured her cancer without any tibetan secret, but I guess she is missing the exotic tibetan element and the robes etc

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    Does anybody know what exactly is this Wim Hof guy teaching ?

    Cause if it's just the sitting in the ice thing - then russians would laugh there ass off at that practice.

     

    There are a lot of people in Russia that can swim for longer periods of time in icy water with no "Tummo" claims but just through getting used to it.

     

     

     

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    It is written in P. D. Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous":

     

    "You must understand that every real religion, that is, one that has been created by learned people for a definite aim, consists of two parts. One part teaches what is to be done. This part becomes common knowledge and in the course of time is distorted and departs from the original. The other part teaches how to do what the first part teaches. This part is preserved in secret in special schools and with its help it is always possible to rectify what has been distorted in the first part or to restore what has been forgotten. Out of dozens of monasteries one is a school." (p.38)

     

    For the main Abrahamic religions it seems clear that they have two parts, Islam > Sufism, Christianity > Gnosticism, Judaism > Kabbalah, but most of the general public seem not to be aware that they need the second part of the religion to know what is to be done with the first part of the teachings.

     

    Historically you can identify where some of these schools exist, for Sufism historically there were known schools in Mesopotamia around in Baghdad, and another in Khurasan which was a province that once included northeastern Iran, Afghanistan, and parts of Central Asia, but with all the turmoil in that region those schools no longer exist publicly at least; the Whirling Dervishes in Turkey were also eradicated. For Christianity it is clear the builders of Chartres Catherdral in France and some of the Gothic monuments in Europe had Gnostic knowledge, but they had to go underground to avoid the Inquisition and it's not clear if they survived in any form. I don't know of any genuine schools of Kabbalah.

     

    In Buddhism the split doesn't seem as clear but there were some Tibetan monasteries which produced a lot more enlightened masters than others, for example the Crazy Wisdom lineage all are linked to the Surmang monastery in Eastern Tibet, but with the Chinese invasion all that was lost in public at least and I don't know where there teachings ended up, Dharamshala perhaps or went underground. In Taoism there is talk of schools at Wudang mountain still containing real teachings, but I don't know many details.

     

    So does anyone know of where the real schools still exist? or is it all just done in scattered oral teachings now?

     

     

    I hope Ouspensky is quoting G when he says all that because O himself has never even seen a genuine school (besides studying with G of course).

    Now according to G both Sarmoun(g) Brotherhood (Kafiristan) and Essene Brotherhood (not far from the shores of the Dead Sea) were still active in 1940s - so who know maybe they made it to this day. And supposedly Jesus have studied in both of them so there must b some cool stuff in those schools.

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    Here's one of these monks from Romania - just read between the lines and it's pretty easy to understand through the christian dogma the actual state that he is describing. It's interesting that he describes it as a failed personal experience, but you can at least understand the amount of effort and dedication required for this kind of practice.

     

     

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