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I offered already to travel to 3 or 4 different schools, who were claiming skills and after I had offered to travel to them they either politely declined or gave me one of the BS answers. One of them was in Australia by the way. The reason I would agree to travel so far away is because - I strongly believe that a real master is a very rare opportunity that I would love to meet(like John Chang for example) and the rest of them - here on Taobums are not real IMA practitioners, they just practice an empty form that might have some health benefits, but definitely no martial art efficiency. And whenever I get people's upset responses to my criticism - I already know that I was right about their lack of skill. So yes, if it is a serious school I would make the effort and come but I want to see a clear internal ability not some ex-professional wrestler that now is wearing a chinese costume and therefore calls himself an IMA master

Hi Jess, I am in Virginia Beach, Va

From my understanding the person that started the thread was addressing the people that consider IMA from the martial art point of view not from the spiritual point of view. Spirituality in IMA is a totally different topic. If Bagua brings you closer to GOD so be it. That's between you and GOD (or your awareness or whatever you wanna call your spiritual experience) and that's nobody's business. But when It comes to IMA as a martial art there's always this big lie - there's a teacher who basically tells the students that they develop a lot of internal power and that power can make you stronger then a person that has the same physical power but didn't practice the IMA. And this attitude got perfected over time. There's no way you can get a simple demonstration ever from these guys. The teacher has 1 mln answers in order to avoid the simple test. Here's answers 1) They deviate the discussion to a different direction always - so if you fight - then you have a big Ego. 2) If you fight - you hurt a sentient being. 3) If you fight - your inner energy is so devastating that you could kill your opponent. or 4) The teacher used to fight but long time ago when he was younger or less experienced and had a terrible experience (by mistake he killed his entire village or smth like that)... 5) The teacher is so advanced and detached that he simply is not willing to show it to you anymore because now he is into meditation and healing stuff only. or the more simple ones 6) It's just bad for your karma and Buddha was not a fighter. 7) He promised his dead teacher that he will never use his energy in a fight. etc etc etc... or the one that I really despise: They never understand 8) "I don't understand why do you need a proof? ( I am going to make it simple and give you the answer to this one so that you don't bother wasting your own braincells on it: - because I have a huge Ego, I will never understand the principle that you learn to fight so that you never fight and I am a totally undeveloped ignorant spiritual moron and I was abused in my childhood from any point of view you can think of and I am full of fears, hatred, negativity, zero compassion and I always had a very small penis compared to every other male out there which is obviously the main source of my negativity and lack of self-esteem. Also feel free to add other reasons as well. Now that we got all that out of the way - I have one request: All I am asking for is an IMA guy who is willing to kick my ass using his internal skill (I am not stupid to ask that from an external martial artist). And I promise to you that I will never hate you and your karma will be clean as a whistle. This is a very simple deal: You or your teacher kicks my ass using his IMA skill and I will praise him forever. Is this too much to ask for? Somebody out there please feel sorry for me. Show some compassion. Please, please, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or just crazy

Nice post Jess. Thx

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Your post makes you sound so taoist and so noble, It clearly indicates an advanced spiritual being with a crystal-clean karma cultivated in a sweet unconditionally loving family with nonexistent Egos that believes in loving hands and breeds unicorns as a family business. I was talking to people that call themselves Martial Artists - which implies that they want to learn how to fight. You should avoid these kind of negative posts, why poison your holiness with my kind of egotistic vibration, it might affect your "Good health and spiritual development"

Do you pay attention to the size of this guy ? There is no Bagua Skill in this video or any IMA at all - He is just a naturally strong man and a heavyweight so he can push you around easily because he is just bigger. There's nothing Bagua about this person.

Comparing all these taiji guys(from your videos) to real professional fighters in MMA is like comparing boy scouts to special forces (taiji guys being the boyscouts). Try to do your "push hands" against a serious valetudo practitioner and you might as well say goodbye to your precious hands because they will separate them from your body regardless how tough your dantien might be. And to the guy that started this thread - this is a lost cause bro, all these "flower power" practitioners will never change their mind cause they are too scared to step into the ring and learn their lesson. That's the main difference between real fighters and philosophers. Real fighters - just fight. Philosophers like Bruce Francis and Max and all these other thunderbolt/yellowbamboo/pendejo/grandmasters - they just write books, meditate (allegedly), create pathetic youtube videos wearing chinese clothes and pursue orgasms over distance..

Jesus chinese ? cmmon now. There's clear proof in the Bible that Jesus was PUERTO RICAN His first name was Jesus. He was bilingual. He was always being harassed by the authorities.

Hmm...I can't help but notice that the source of wisdom in the pic above looks like a jar of dry feces.

LMFAO - they probably started as christians to begin with. WTF. So the main outcome of all this fancy "SUBUD" thing is that he changed his name to Roger ! I just love these stories!!!!. I mean Comedy Central ain't got nothing on TTB. My favorite story is still the one about Jesus - who was according to TTB a taoist and a Ninja!!!

You don't even need scientists. All you need is a non-practitioner that is willing to slap him. Max is unable to demonstrate his "empty force" on a non-practitioner!

About the song .. music or sound has a vibration a frequency, it is rumoured that the tibetan monks have an instrument, a large sort of horn wich takes atleast 40 years to learn how to be played wich has the ability to make heavy rocks light as a feather Where can I found information about that instrument ?

I wish he used beer bottles instead of baseball bats .... maybe next time

I am convinced from your posts that your understanding of nutrition is actually better then all the replies to your post. You probably know what you need to do and just needed to sort it out a little bit for yourself. Here's a interesting research that brings you truth about bone health and nutrition from real scientists. You will have to listen to the audio file just be patient for 30 seconds with the advertisement. http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2010/09/04/752-bone-vitality/ Enjoy

I learned a lot from this thread ...... v nice everybody!

After reading your elaborate analysis it became clear to me that your understanding of these things is very deep and this is only possible of course because you have attained a high level of skill in taiji (thank you for singing up by the way). I would be more then curious (and I am sure other taobums would like it as well) to see a small sample of your demonstration of those 2 principles that you have mentioned. So please post a video of your skill sir and you would prove your point much better.

Dear Sir, I have nothing to do with Master Wang, his school or his promoters so please calm down. I have to say that I was totally drunk on Johny Walker that night (which I totally recommend instead of the seminar anyway). What happened was - I was reading the thread and wrote that comment without even thinking and what ticked me off was the use of your british "bloody" (for some reason when I am drunk I hate british english). So anyway please accept my sincere apologies, I know it was rude and uncalled for since I don't even know you - and I keep telling myself not to post anything when I am drunk it's just that that's the only way I can really read thetaobums - when I am drunk.

Why don't you make the bloody call you lazy bum and all your questions will be answered

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This is an extremely limited description and even misleading. The fourth way was designed to be faster then any other way and it has been proven to be of such a quality through accomplished followers. The biggest problem is that nobody was able to attain Gurdjieff's level, but nobody has made similar amount and quality of efforts. However there are still great 4th way teachers around that can bring you to a higher spiritual level then any other way. There is an interesting case of a tibetan lama that became and is currently a respected 4th way teacher. As for the statement that Gurdjieff drew all his teachings from the Sufi Way that is only partially correct. Gurdjieff studied the authentic esoteric systems. One of them was christianity as practiced by genuine chritians (very different then the traditional christian church - for example The Essenes brotherhood). And he refered to his system as Esoteric Christianity. Another fact is that he spent about 10 years in Tibet - way before the chinese invasion and learned a lot of things from there. There are other key sources that he explorer but the taobums might be interested that he practiced also 2 forms of martial arts - one was a japonese ju-jitsu method and another one was a chinese form that I haven't heard of anywhere else... One interesting starting principle about fourth way is to learn how to tell the truth - and I am not talking about some esoteric miraculous truth but the truth about yourself. If you honestly ask yourself what exactly you know and you are - you are almost guaranteed to realise to you are nobody and should keep your mouth shut because you don't know anything....

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Y'all forgot to mention Superman's real daddy: CHUCK NORRIS!!!