Bud Jetsun

Still troubled by certain people.

Only one person can trouble you.

To know yourself means to understand existence.

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Recognize you always had perfect mindfulness, as nobody else could be thinking your thoughts for you.

Once you recognize mindfulness was always and exclusively in your domain (as it would be impossible not to have been), choose to cease fear-based thoughts.

It seems impossibly hard until the moment you realize the alternative is simply choosing to live in always self-imposed cruelty.

Of course. If not, what would be the point? Was that supposed to be a deep question or something?

No arrangements of words can offer realization. Words will not exceed the depth of the mind viewing them.

 

 

 

Not sure what you mean by the conclusion of preference as it relates to my prior post. Can you expand?

 

Conclusion of preference is a type of liberation from the always self-imposed suffering of preference and desire. It means gaining the awareness that "likes" and "dislikes" are both equally forms of self-imposing cruelty. The things we like are already fated to crumble to dust, whatever attachments we have become suffering as they are inevitably broken. Choosing to dislike shifts the self-imposed suffering to be realized more immediately.

Whilst maintaining preferences, one is preventing gratefulness and appreciation of the 'Now'.

It is through the act of appreciation and being grateful that one shows kindness to self.

I had to go back to see what I was speaking to. Here is your statement:

 

All human thought origins are from Love or fear.

 

My first problem with the statement is that "love" and "fear" are presented as being primal opposites, dualities. Dualistically, in my mind, it is love/hate and fear/confidence.

 

These are emotions not necessarily based in rational thought. Sure, one could say that these emotions are dominant when we are an infant prior to having the ability of rational thought but I can't see where they remain dominate after we acquire rational thought.

 

Rational thought can release us from the chains of love and fear. Allowing us to mature beyond the state of an infant.

Hate is fearing through ignorance.

If one concluded fearing, one would also have concluded the illusion of hating.

To me it means spending the time to figure out what you believe in.

One may choose to acquire and/or manufacture any/all beliefs one likes.

Belief and wisdom still remain opposites.

I think it means stripping ourselves down to the generic human being underneath, the enlightened one.I'm not sure what beliefs are any more. Beliefs seem to be a mindset, as a result of our own particular conditioning, that brings us to a conclusion. Are conclusions enlightenment? I don't know. I think 'no conclusion' is the more enlightening mindset. The mindset of a Beginner, a Learner.

 

What are my dislikes? What are my resentments? Does my mind work judgmentally as I'm walking around town during the day? Am I clinging to an anger or what I considered to be a personal affront? Am I capable of seeing that the very thing that irritates me about someone else is because it's rubbing up against the very same thing in myself? I think that knowing ourself (gnowing ourself) is stepping aside from ourselves, looking objectively, and not trying to cover anything up or hold anything back. To see ourselves as we really are, warts and all.

 

Once we come into touch with the parts of ourselves that tend to get in the way of seeing Truth, then it seems that Life will predictably bring things to us that necessitate that particular characteristic being put into play until such time as we finally recognize our wrong habit pattern. At least, that's my observation of how the whole thing works. The offending dynamics within us don't seem to be magically 'removed' once we realize they're there....instead, the situation will then pop up to help us work our way through our old way of doing things. We manifest our own reality, and the Spirit within (Dao, Void, Light, etc) will do the attracting and all we have to do is be aware of our actions while we are walking through the situation. We then have the ability to make the necessary corrections so that this undesirable reaction will not be a factor in the future.

Some wisdom! Thank you for sharing. Have you considered the conclusion of preference?

hmnn Shakespeare comes to mind--

 

This above all: to thine own self be true,

And it must follow, as the night the day,

Thou canst not then be false to any man.

 

To thine own self be true. To me it means spending the time to figure out what you believe in. Working out definitions of right and wrong and what it means to be a complete human being. Also developing a gut instinct that points you in the right direction.

 

It's impossible not to be true to yourself, this doesn't mean one can't choose whatever delusion to replace that truth with "belief(s)".

For me:

 

1) To know where one comes from

2) To know what one is not

3) To know where one is going

If these 3 are important to "know" for you, can you tell me the "answer" to any of them?

Well, I liked your post except for this statement.

 

There is much more to life than that. And more complex as well.

I have seen you type that there is more than Love and Fear type thoughts my friend.

Would you like assistance in concluding this delusion?

There is nothing else one could "know", and even to "know" oneself would require enlightenment, and then "know" wouldn't be a recognized concept anyways.

The sooner one ceases the delusions of "knowing" one sooner may progress towards liberation.

No religious "practice" in the world can offer any more than the experience of practicing it.

The realizations made are the often forgotten purpose of "practice", yet no realization makes itself.

Ending the mistaken belief there could be "knowing" is as good of realization as any towards liberation.

"Evil" is merely manifested actions as a result of fear-thoughts.

The duality illusion is created by the two types of thoughts humans are capable of having, those of fear and those of Love.

All human thought origins are from Love or fear.

When one thinks fearful thoughts, one is living in evil. If you act upon your fearful thoughts, you are doing evil.

If you wish to cease doing evil, manifest mindfulness and choose loving thoughts.

Finding spirituality is simply gaining awareness ones thoughts don't think themselves.

Anything communicated in words is impossible to express Truth, it can only be a realization you make for yourself. Reject all beliefs. Trust nothing anyone tells you, no matter how fancy the book or how many "masters" quoted it.

You are wise to know Liberation can't be given to you by any book or chanting or guru or sacrificial offering etc.

Liberation from suffering and enlightenment are realizations a person can only make for themselves through internal understanding.

Interesting that you mentioned Nietzsche and I agree with you that he never did enter. Would he have had his health not become so poor? The desire would have been but would he have had the courage? I don't know.

 

But I will suggest that Camus did enter. He knew what was in there. But he didn't stay, he came back out.

After reading a bit from Camus, it seems he did experience the abyss.

One may only experience the illusion of leaving as one experiences the illusion of entering.

"Entering the abyss" is a convenient misnomer like "becoming enlightened" or "reaching liberation" etc.

There is nowhere to "go" to experience the abyss, just as there is nothing to "do" to become enlightened, both are states of awareness of what always was.

One may only give their best effort once.

There is no such thing as unlimited compassion. Yes, there is compassion. If you ever had to defend someone you love you would experience this in person.

 

Here is a good place for one of a warrior's codes: I will help you if I can; I will kill you if I must.

 

This too is compassion but limited.

 

Even Chuang Tzu never claimed there was such a thing as unlimited compassion but he did teach and practice compassion, more so than the average person would have been able to deal with.

To think compassion cannot be unlimited is a failure to recognize it could only be limited or restricted by the moment a being ceases choosing compassion. Compassion is how Love manifests, if one destroys all fearful thoughts, one lives in unbreakable elation of Love and Compassion by default.

Death is only a fearful thing for those who do not embrace it equally as they do life. Recognize they are inseparable. Recognize no amount of causing harm to defend oneself results in liberation. For that matter, now amount of 'practicing' anything results in liberation. Only the choice to gain awareness and appreciation of ones inherently liberated state can cause liberation.

If one doesn't demonstrate unlimited Compassion to those who wish to do you harm, how is one any different? If one harms someone 'back', one has still harmed someone, and is no better.

One was already going to die and have all of ones 'things' crumble to dust. Defending ones material life is like struggling against the ocean waves rising towards a sand castle. It was a lost effort from the moment of origin, there are just differing stages of harms or gestures of compassion one can cause before its inevitable conclusion.

The idiom he is remembered by, "Courage without tactics", is best exemplified by his getting trapped in Gaixia.

 

He fell for a well worn tactic to take the opposing general's great love (Yu, in this case) and taking her down into the canyon... Yu wildly chased to simply find himself in the very pit of the canyon's abyss, surrounded with no escape.

 

In this bowled cavern, the captured troops were forced to sing “Chu Song from Four Sides” which is a lament for missing one’s family. Defeated troops simply put their weapons down and cried... Xiang Yu's wife committed suicide for feeling the cause of the fall of Chu.

 

This is as much a physical abyss as one can endure... but Xiang Yu escaped the canyon !

 

He slit his throat after locals pointed him in the wrong direction to the Wu River and his entire fleeing army killed.

 

Xiang Yu endured two abyss in a short time.

If he endured something, it was a condition of his own mind in a state capable of having a suffering concept.

Nothing described there involves the abyss in any way beyond a man's own lack of mindfulness reflecting his fears back to him from the Abyss he did not enter. You may have heard statements like, "the abyss stares back as it's observer", if you are still seeing describable things, thinking describable thoughts, recognizing concepts like suffering, one is merely peering at the reflection of ones own mind.

Men of courage would not be soldiers. Men of courage would not tremble before there minds fear driven reflection of the abyss for days, they would enter it.

Dante Alighieri did not have courage to enter, he approached the sideline and recorded his experience of trembling in fear.

Nietzsche also only dared to tremble in his own fear reflections rather than enter.

One may only enter through choosing to enter. Fear of the ever-growing repulsion of human fears reflected and compounded as they are reflected is the limit of experience the abyss provides one if one chooses it to be.

Exacting precise mindfulness can take you there, but one may never use the same path twice (at least in my own experience), and the journey can't be rushed or deliberate, as the act of rushing or determination removes the capacity to be aware of ones destination.

The abyss is always awaiting new visitors to have there lives forever changed by experiencing the eternal timeless existence.

I have read about the benefits and extrasensory abilities that qijong, yogi, and buddhist practices can give you.

Only you can give your self those abilities, all practices offer only the experience of practicing.

Heightened awareness and senses occur at the moment one realizes they were always there to the extent one chose to listen/observe, which is mutually exclusive the act of hearing/seeing.

Siddhis are as unbounded and compassionate or cruel as you let them be.

Manifest perfect mindfulness, then choose to realize you always had exclusive dominion over all aspects of your reality, as all that which you know of your reality that is expressive in thought.

Hi Bud Jetsun,

 

I respectfully disagree and respectfully agree!

 

When a person posits "Love" that "Love" needs to be qualified.

 

To me when I read the Bible or examine the nature of mind in Dzogchen or I look into the nature of Brahman...I see no difference because real LOVE is where the self is not! Period.

If I drink a potion that shuts down all perceptions of self and conscious mind, would I become God and Love in your reality?

I send my love (that is affection & care) to you in sincerity.

Stefos

Thank you kindly, I receive it graciously with a welcoming heart and return my own unlimited unconditional unbreakable Love to you and all beings capable of awareness of Love.

With Unlimited Love,

-Bud

My message to her was that love = God & God = love.

Love = Love

Fear = Fear

So, for all of you who care about being in a relationship leading to marriage or not, ask yourself these questions honestly:

Why am I seeking to date a person?

Am I seeking fulfillment IN another human being?

What does marriage actually mean?

Why should I get married?

 

I hope my experience has caused you to laugh & to think!

 

I send my love to all of you

Stefos

No matter where one travels and what company one keeps, it's still yourself you are with.

When the whole is divided...

It's exclusively delusion from that moment forward.

Empty mind = mind empty of faculty, all senses attention and concentration out side of mind. What is thinking any way? Even If we could put that outside of the mind, I don't think we should. Thinking requires your attention, deeper thinking does not; intuition is spontaneous. Attention on thought causes hesitation

 

Mind always was and will be still.; there's no room to move around. Mind is always quiet; inside it there never has been sound.

 

When all attention is outward and breath is unaffected, but instead remains self regulated this is when, unnoticed the cessation of self and thought occurs.

 

No mind is to blink and miss the moment there never was, this gives way to a mind empty of self; Awareness without dualistic naming and without any consciousness rising.

There are no limits on the minds state of being that are not self-imposed.

Why bother to meditate or 'practice' anything? Your choice of beliefs already pre-cludes your liberation.

Words are fabricated human constructs.

Words cannot express truth.

Words cannot express understanding.

To say there is nothing when thoughts are absent is to miss all that is real.

What does the thinking of those thoughts can not be more thoughts. Thoughts can not think themselves.

When it stops thinking them is when you can listen rather than hear.

If one is thinking, and one chooses to think using 'words', one is exclusively experiencing a delusion composed of constructs (non-real).

If one is thinking, and one chooses to think without using words, one is experiencing a delusion that may or may not be entirely constructs.

If one silences thinking, one may gain awareness and tune into being in the now.

 

The abyss that we should be aware of is really the third chaos which is the lowest of the three, the tenebrous underworld where darkness and misery reigns, the ones who deny their Innermost by divorcing themselves from Divinity will eventually migrate into the submerged layers of the earth within the inferior fifth dimension, clothed with their lunar protoplasmic bodies such souls enter into greater and greater levels of density as the laws multiply deeper down they go. The downward journey of the left hand path leads directly to the second death as mentioned by Dante Alighieri in his poetic work 'Dante's Divine Comedy'.

 

In the 8th and 9th spheres of hell the complete disintegration of the ego takes place, said to be an unimaginably painful experience, the soul after being purified of the former aggregates is liberated back into the elemental kingdoms of nature starting at the bottom which is the mineral kingdom, slowly the soul, pushed by the evolving forces of mechanical nature, is raised into increasingly more complex mineral bodies until graduating into the plant kingdom which signifies a new level of development. From here the soul migrates from body to body until reaching the animal kingdom where it learn to fornicate in line with instinctual impulses for the generation of its species. Gradually the soul progresses to the stage where it learns individuality, it no longer moves with the herd as such, this signifies that the soul is close to entering into the humanoid kingdom which it lost previously before entering into the abyss.

 

Upon entering into the humanoid kingdom, the soul is equipped with rationality, the intellect. With this newly acquired faculty, such a soul is capable of distinguishing the difference between purity and impurity (Good and Evil) the higher purpose is to transcend his lower animal nature and all the behaviors associated with those levels in order to enter into the higher planes of consciousness.

 

If the soul is incapable of transcending his lower animal nature and gives in to the passions and lure of his/her ego, then after exhausting their karma to enter into new humanoid bodies, such souls devolve back into the lower kingdoms to again enter into the infernal worlds, aka hell, deepening their suffering and experiencing the horrors associated with the shadow worlds which are devoid of Divine qualities, they are actually inverted aspects of the higher Divine spheres or Sephiroth.

 

There is no "final, absolute liberation" after the second death, the abyss is a revolving door back into the mechanical process of nature. The wheel of Samsara as some call it, the teachings of all the great Masters, such as Jesus, Buddha, Samael Aun Weor all teach how to consciously transcend this mechanical process, the ego is a child of mechanicity, thus the ego will eventually drag one back into the underworld to experience the horrors of hell.

 

Read the book 'Hell, the Devil and Karma' by Samael Aun Weor if you are interested in this whole subject.

This is all delusion from one peering into the abyss whom has never entered. The abyss is devoid of thought or it couldn't be the abyss. The abyss has no suffering because it would be impossible to know how to suffer in the abyss.

Your description is something I too have seen. It is a reflection of one's own fear while peering into the abyss.

There was a time when I had not yet gained awareness I could simply conquer all fear rooted thought-paths and use mindfulness to prevent them completely. When I would gaze into the void from outside, the act of doing so can be interpreted as frightening, and hence it reflects the culmination of all your most intense human fears back to you, so you see the hell in your mind you created.

When you enter the abyss, you will immediately know why there can be no suffering in the abyss of any kind. When you are liberated from thought, you are liberated from all concepts of hot or cold or sharp or uncomfortable, and you don't have any notion of what a material body would be to have discomforts imposed upon it in the first place.

The abyss is indescribable peace and purity. The above is exclusively the delusions shared by those who dared to peer at it and reflect there own mind's fears, but had no experiences entering/becoming the abyss.