JinlianPai

This is a partial quote from the golden elixir thread from innersoundqigong

http://thedaobums.com/topic/37894-golden-elixer/

the original qigong master tells a story of how he had a student in his class who has the most amazing aura he had seen of any of his students - she had a golden aura like the golden auras of the immortals he knows in the mountains of China developing their yang shen golden immortal bodies.

 

So he personally asked the student if he could teach her qigong but the thing is she wasn't consciously aware she had this amazing aura and she couldn't get her life in order to train seriously in qigong.

 

So the thing about golden light - a person can have it as their spirit energy but still be unaware of it.

 

I think to consciously be aware of it then you have to build up your yang qi energy first from after the lower tan tien of yin qi foundation is established.

 

The original qigong master talks about the various colors - it is as with quantum frequency - the higher the frequency, small wavelength means the stronger the energy since quantum energy is based on frequency not amplitude.

 

So violet is the strongest energy based on color but my understanding is the golden light as the strongest is really this combination of the yang qi energy or yuan qi along with the yin shen light energy.

This proves that go is real and he likes the muppets.....FACT!

The leader of the kunlun secct was just awesome.

Later during the series Chang Zang Feng creates Taichi and Taichi sword. Right after he tells the remaining 7 heroes of wudang about it a monk tries to attack him and Chang Zhang Feng literally destroys the guy.

Lots of interesting neigong and shengong in this.

Like the Yin Jinx palm the shaolin vajra finger the supreme yang palm the 9 yang skill the 9 yin skill which went to kunlun...the Great Universal shift stance of the ming sect and various other skills.

The interesting thing from an internal kung fu aspect of it was that even though Zhang Wuji knew the awesome 9 yang skill and the great universal shift stance of the ming sect it was his taichiquan that he learned from wudang that was really effective.

The Supreme Ultimate Palm(taijiquan) but the shaolin scoffed at him before hand saying how can you claim to be greater than your teachers from shaolin? but after seeing his Taiji they shut up 

Its the politics and snide comments of the other sects to each other that makes this a joy as well.

I'm sure it's a good series if you can put up with all the drama.

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Ok anyways its a good story 40 episodes in all.

Very exciting if your into internal kung fu history and the different sects.

Infact the jindan is also sometimes referred to as the golden earth pill.

In the Golden Lotus system there is the Gum Guang (gold light) seated meditations.

 

The seated meditations will cause one to see gold in their mind when they meditate. The seated meds connect you to the earth. The standing moving meds connect you to saturn which in chinese feng shui is the manifestation of the earth element in nature.

 

Together these will cause one to have a powerful golden energy.

 

Now when one starts the gold light meds one will not see gold right away which is the shen being cultivated. In the beginning one will see blue orange and then gold.

 

After a short time of practicing the golden lotus system the earth itself will start to charge you.

 

In that respect its very similar to the golden dragon system but just no connection to the guardian of the earth. 

 

The seated meds are the prep for the moving meds.

Because of the very very close similarities between gold dragon and gold lotus practices the gold lotus and all practices derived from it are held in such high regard.

The gold light seated meds have much in common with the experiences one gets from practicing the secret of the golden flower except for a few things like the eye rolling.

The interesting thing to note here is that gold is the universal expression of the earth element in the universe.

I like how they suggest that the supreme yang palm of wudang was inspired by the 9 yang skill but it was never quite as strong.

In the Golden Lotus system there is the Gum Guang (gold light) seated meditations.

The seated meditations will cause one to see gold in their mind when they meditate. The seated meds connect you to the earth. The standing moving meds connect you to saturn which in chinese feng shui is the manifestation of the earth element in nature.

Together these will cause one to have a powerful golden energy.

Now when one starts the gold light meds one will not see gold right away which is the shen being cultivated. In the beginning one will see blue orange and then gold.

After a short time of practicing the golden lotus system the earth itself will start to charge you.

In that respect its very similar to the golden dragon system but just no connection to the guardian of the earth. 

The seated meds are the prep for the moving meds.

Go to 28;43 of episode 11 and decide if you should watch this series its very good.

Very good series definitely for the kung fu internal power enthusiast

Think not....check out episode 11 when he learns and master's the 9 yang skill

this was of course after learning from the divine healer of butterfly valley and training with Chang Zhang Feng his God father was also the 5th hero of wudang.

I also like the Golden Flower  Granny  her aura  was awesome and I also like the head of the kunlun sect this series kicks ass from beginning to end.

I mostly liked when Chang  Zheng Feng tried to go back to shaolin to learn the 9 yang skill the jiuyangshengong to heal his god son Zhang Wuji because the supreme yang palm of wudang was not working to heal him of the jinx yin palm. and the monks at shaolin wouldnt even let him enter the temple. 

Have to love the Jiang Hu!

Very good series for the Taoist internal power enthusiast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGqznviEDIk

Yeah I liked it it wasnt bad.

電気アンマ復活

 

I don't know katakana but the kanji read "electricity" and "resurrection / revival"

 

Weird indeed

Hmm yes im very glad this thread came back to life 

It was the first thing I saw upon coming out of meditation.

Thx for the translation now that its translated I think I get what the advertising was trying to say....

"That eating Doritos is electrically reviving! Just like a kick in the nuts that you can take with you and share with your friends!"

Jinlianpai,

Concerning the statement about entering the void/ center.   This also seems to be similar to how Liu I Ming uses earth as a Metaphor in his alchemical writings.

Earth is the center and it strengthens all of the other elements. It is the balance of yin and yang its symbol is the yin yang symbol its color is yellow its animal is the Yellow Dragon its season is late summer its direction is South West.

Which you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing

If you follow these patterns of nature you can make sure that your golden energy is always strong. like facing south west when you meditate. Going outside when yin and yang is balanced which is about 6:30 to 7:00. Eating plants and herbs that bloom in late summer and so forth.

speaking to JinLian Pai on using actual gold - I stumbled across this claim I made back in 2008 - 7 years ago:

 

So the closest analogy is science is the new “space race” for metamaterials — or left-handed materials with a negative refractive index.

These materials REVERSE the doppler effect of light by using complementary opposite materials built in concentric rings. Gold is an essential metal for this since it’s density combines both quantum and classic physics — thereby confirming it’s alchemical status. To quote Science News from 7/15/2006:

 

“It’s really because of the development of metamaterials that the manufacturing of such cloaking devices could be possible,” Leonhardt says.

Metamaterials consist of three-dimensional arrays of hoops, rods, or other shapes made of metal or other electrically conductive materials that are joined by electrical insulators, such as fiberglass.

Whereas lenses or other optical devices made of ordinary materials bend radiation one way, metamaterials bend it the other. Although not easily explained in everyday terms, the effect stems from electromagnetic waves traveling backward once they enter metamaterials, notes Schurig.

 

Electromagnetic radiation typically exerts a repulsive pressure on objects, so it should, in theory, attract metamaterials. Also, the well-known Doppler shift, in which the frequency of electromagnetic radiation from an object increases as the object approaches, is expected to reverse for metamaterials. Experiments have yet to confirm those two predictions.”

 

 

So - the technology there is invisibility but who knows what else?

That's cool. 

I think the ancient masters may have been very literal when referring to the golden elixir. But one can not leave out other important aspects to the cultivation of the elixir because that's just not daoist. Daoist are very much into knowing the time, directions, stars and planets of cultivating.

But then again I dont hear much on the 8 fairies either.

http://taiwanreview.nat.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=173042&CtNode=1220

According to Chinese tradition, the Eight Fairies were human-beings who had achieved immortality through constant practice of Taoist esoteric discipline. 

So when you see things like 8 fairies fist or something like that its referring to this.

Once you know where your alchemy comes from you can start to feng shui your home based on the alchemy you do.

That's when things get cool.

All alchemy comes from the golden dragon of the earth.

The Golden dragon represents earth/center/void

So in alchemy you root to the earth focus on the center and enter the void.

This is said to get the elixir.

Gold in feng shui is represented by earth and metal the stomach and lungs 

In chinese feng shui in the center of the octagon is earth to strengthen the other elements.

What is needed is the spiritual aspect to the alchemy.

So some sects like shaolin use multiple guardians like the white tiger and cyan dragon. The cyan dragon's hours are during sunrise and the white tigers hours are at sunset. So they are basically saying from sun up to sun down they are the top. So in the in the original kung fu TV series its starts with the sun rising and it ends with the sun setting.

Taoism just isnt about alchemy it's also about the natural forces that affect us as well.

Seeing my teacher exercise the golden light was amazing it had a feeling of being very old and familiar.  

I already have.

When the Golden Lotus was brought into taoism it was mixed with various other practices.

Even what I have isnt the original version but it is the closest to the original.

The real golden immortals have went underground to the point that you could have a very similar practice and know the history and still not be able to find them.

Because I havent.

 

I would really like to have this on my golden immortal thread   http://thedaobums.com/topic/37743-golden-immortal/

 

What else do you know about the golden immortals?

 

My teacher told me that this knowledge came into china via Buddhism and it was given to taoist and buddhist a like in china.

 

With the taoist it developed in a different path than the indian buddhist who had the original and the chinese buddhist who turned it into a internal martial art.

 

So as far as I know

 

there is a

 

traditional taoist version that went to lu dongbin

A traditional buddhist version which was the golden lotus

A internal buddhist martial art under the same name developed by the chinese.

 

All 3 versions are in china.

 

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=t5pZaCTJX3oC&pg=PR12&lpg=PR12&dq=gold+lotus+immortal&source=bl&ots=HB5rwlzKRX&sig=rwGjxC0-tMomUEK4-VbJaNpBnBg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aFLtVKGWJrHjsASLhYCIBQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=gold%20lotus%20immortal&f=false

 

The gold lotus of taoism symbolises enlightenment., the Tao (the Way) or spiritual rebirth. The opening of the flower is believed to represent the development  of spiritual potential of humans.

http://en.daoinfo.org/wiki/Guanyin_%28Avalokitesvara%29

 

The Complete Perfection Tradition called for the Oneness of the Three Teachings from the very beginning, and had groups named after the Three Teachings, such as the Three Teachings Golden Lotus Society, the Three Teachings Jade Florence Society, the Three Teachings Equality Society, etc.. Such a concept was an important basis for accepting the Bodhisattva into Daoism. The Complete Perfection tradition was successful in this respect.

In short, the Guanyin cult originated in Buddhism and was absorbed by Daoism, and underwent changes during its spread among the common people. The Guanyin cult thus has a strong sense of folklore.

 

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the Golden Immortal of Grand Enlightenment, arhats into Reverends and Guanyin into Guanyin dashi, and they were all absorbed into Daoism.

 

This reminds me of an old saying.

"Don't teach the training let the training teach you."

When my teacher told me about a rare kung fu named after a golden flower that lets you emit gold light and how this knowledge was given to the monks to hide it and protect it. Who turned it in to kung fu. I listened and learned.

I picked up what he was throwing down....

I didn't grab my secret of the golden flower book and start quoting..

Even though I'm directly telling you that there is a very direct version of this practice infact there are at least 3 versions.

The golden elixir is spiritual alchemy.

If you have golden elixir you can emit golden light if you hold gold in your hand it will empower you. You will have the spiritual qualities of gold. You will start building and feeling a connection to the gold in the earth and sun.

The end of Taoist Yoga his body is vaporized into pure qi energy that is formless and expands into the universe. But then that qi can reform back into a physical body when needed.

 

So the Tai Chi is called the "first half" based on the lunar dragon heart yuan shen energy - the white light of the moon. So that means that the yin chi of the lower tan tien is filled up and you see light externally and begin cultivating the solar yang qi with the yin shen energy.

 

So the yuan qi and yuan shen combined created the golden body - but the lunar dragon yuan shen requires that the qi energy is also built up - as the Cavity of Spirit-vitality of the lower tan tien.

 

It just intensifies into a deeper serenity - called the inner chamber of the lower tan tien - when the golden body is being cultivated - and based on the immortal breathing with the yuan shen yin qi circulating one direction while yuan qi circulates in the other direction - as the macrocosmic orbit through the center of the feet.

 

I think the "individual personality" issue is a red-herring because the only way to achieve immortality is by going into the Emptiness more and more and by doing so then individuality is given up more and more. So people who want to maintain individuality - I think don't really understand the training.

 

I know this is the old debate between Ch'an Buddhism and Taoism - but it's more just like an ongoing teaching - because of the complementary opposites of the training - there is always a rebalancing of the energy back into the Emptiness. It's the difference between Yuan Shen and Yuan Qi - the Yuan Shen is the individual consciousness as light spirit energy but when it is turned around or focused back to the pineal gland as the Cavity of Prenatal Vitality - then it is emptied out into the formless awareness.

 

So that is a 3 in 1 harmonization process that because of complementary opposites is an eternal energy creation that is never the same, always changing but the process itself is unchanging.

 

I know Master Nan, Huai-chin says he made fun of his colleague who had achieved the rainbow body - Master Nan stuck his hand into the rainbow body and said - "why are you still just playing tricks?" - or something like that. The point being that to get stuck on any energy phenomenon then does not re-balance the energy back into the Emptiness.

 

But the thing is with Buddhism it still relies on a dualistic language structure and philosophy from the phonetic languages and Vedic logic of Hinduism - while the Taoism philosophy is more like the Samkhya based on the three gunas - the "three in one" unity is an eternal listening process that can not be visualized.

 

I mean even science with E.O. Wilson recognizes that humans are based on eusociality - the whole is greater than the parts. Individuality is true as everything is different but to train to be immortal requires lessening individuality. The original qigong master says he is an empty vessel for the energy to go through him.

 

I think in the highest astral realm then all the great spiritual masters have a sort of merged "Golden" cosmic self body - and as Ramana Maharshi says the whole physical universe including light is a temporary holographic reality and so even the individuality of the spiritual masters is ultimately an illusion while only the formless infinite potential of energy creation remains as the unchanging process - the listening process.

I'm familiar with the rainbow body.

What I'm saying is that the original original practice was the golden dragon.

Your not going to find a higher or more potent practice than that.  

It doesnt get much higher than guardian of earth and then being able to alchemically and spiritually back that up.....

The golden elixir and golden immortals came from the golden lotus which was broke off from the golden dragon.

This is why the Golden lotus golden elixir and golden immortal were placed at such high regard.

You can attain rainbow body thru other practices sure that is well documented.

But

Is it spiritual alchemy? Is it spiritually right is there a force in nature backing it.

For example you can do some thunder practices.

No matter what it is. Now if a practitioner of the Azure Dragon Guardian walks up who is directly connected to thunder whom all thunder practices are connected to he has more of a spiritual connection than the other man.

When the Azure dragon practitioner wakes up in the morning the energy of the rising sun will charge him its rising yang...everything connected to thunder/east/spring will charge and empower him.

There is no thunder magic or method higher than the sky dragon practice.

A dragon in the sky....Get it?

So with the golden elixir it correlates to everything that gold does.

They can hold gold and it will cause them to vibrate hard due to the resonation.

The Golden Lotus practitioners can emit gold light in less than 2 months and it only gets stronger.

They were known as the golden immortals.

The golden dragon is hot and golden just like the center of the earth.

Well there is a difference between the japanese tibetan indian and chinese as it goes for guardians and elements.

The chinese from what I understand and have seen and exp'ed have a better understanding to the elements and natural forces.

Each of the 5 guardians of chinese astrology has a neigong practice that goes with them.

So lets take wudang that has the guardian of the turtle snake.

The turtle snake is connected to winter/black/north/water/turtles/snakes and a time of day it correlates to.

So if you practiced the guardian of the north meditations you would get a empowerment daily when the turtle snake energy is strongest. You would be strongest in winter, facing north, and around water. Basically everything that has something to do with that energy.

In tibetan practice they just work with water on a very elementary basis when compared to the Zhenwu meditations of the turtle snake.

So if your part of wudang you can do wudang taichi and run the mco this way and that way but it is nothing to the guardian of the north practices which is the heart of that sect.

This is isnt like Mantak chia's or others this is very specific.

I can breath in earth energy thru my yonguan cavities that doesnt mean im cultivating the guardian of the earth.

The golden lotus correlates to actually gold.

Its spiritual alchemy.  Gold is at the heart of the sun, earth and so forth. But it doesnt have the spiritual connection that the golden dragon does because its not a guardian practice.

Well look im from a lotus tradition and my practice is named after a golden flower and we emit gold light in a very short period of time but I digress.

I'll speak on what i was taught not what I read out of a book and if it helps you on your search then great if not oh well.

The golden dragon is a spiritual practice that is the guardian of earth.

All of neidan is under the rule of one or multiple guardians this is why every orthodox taoist temple works with one.

So they can be a gate keeper of heaven and thus divine and orthodox.

It all leads to their own respective rainbow bow body.

But the golden dragon's attainment is the most powerful because it was feed by grown in and supported by the earth. The practitioner is anchored to the earth so to speak.

The Golden lotus is a branch off of the golden dragon but it has no connection to the golden dragon guardian the golden lotus is connected to gold.

The golden dragon practice was thought not suitable for the majority of practitioners.

So thus the Golden Lotus its like the golden dragon just no guardian of earth stuff.

This went to the Mahayana practitioners. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana

This started the legend of the golden immortals and golden elixir.

They even have a sutra called golden light 

http://www.sutraofgoldenlight.com/

Plus there are different types of alchemy than fire water and wind and even that is not properly understood from what ive seen on here.

There is alchemy then there is spiritual alchemy which builds spiritual connections to forces in nature.

To spiritually interact with a elemental energy that is used for alchemic purposes.

And then to learn the affect this has on the body when injected.

Man im glad I had a teacher 

There is a "wind path" thread on this forum -

 

So I looked it up and Yang Jwing Ming actually refers to the central channel energy for the water path and says it's a very advanced technique only after the lower tan tien is full of energy.

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=0FOuAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT40&lpg=PT40&dq=wind+path++Yang+Jwing+Ming&source=bl&ots=Hyomlcb8Yp&sig=HWTugts_QZvUg99avs4aQKAL0xg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TdgNVc-nGsyrgwSN5oPwDw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCw

 

googlebook link on Yang Jwing Ming discussing wind path and water path.

 

Transmitting energy to people via the reverse path - is actually discussed in Taoist Yoga - they don't call it the reverse path but I have seen in my Taoist Sourcebook that indeed the most common form of sickness is the small universe going in reverse.

 

Because as Taoist Yoga details - the yin qi energy from the heart's fire goes in reverse up and out of the eyes.

 

The small universe goes in the direction it does - down the front - because the prenatal vitality of the pineal gland increases the spirit light and the heart's fire as qi energy so that it creates the lower tan tien as the cavity of spirit-vitality.

 

When you have the qi go down the back channel this is due to evil thoughts triggering the pineal gland to shoot qi down to create fluid and then the yin qi goes up the front and out of the eyes - as the reverse small universe - so you do transmit energy to other people but it is just "yin qi" energy and meanwhile you burn up your yuan qi by it being used to create fluid out of the yin jing energy of the cavity of vitality below the lower tan tien.

 

Certainly it will lower kundalini energy because you are losing energy by transmitting it out of the eyes.

 

This is actually the opposite of creating the lower tan tien but it is the most common reason for failing in the training because the training increases the yin qi energy and as heart's fire it easily goes up the front channel and out of the eyes - twinkling of the eyes at forms of love - as Taoist Yoga says - the training excites the very passions that it is has to quiet in order to increase the PreNatal Vitality energy from the Emptiness - the immutable thought concentration that activates the pineal gland.

 

http://forums.vsociety.net/index.php/topic,20963.msg207018.html

 

This source claims its the water path that uses the central channel - to separate the water chi by going up the center and down the front. But as Yang Jwing Ming emphasis it is this water path that is the secret to Bone Marrow washing for advanced immortality training to convert the jing energy into qi.

 

so now I search water path gold immortality.

 

 

 

pdf link

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ymaa.com%2Ffiles%2FISBN0673sample.pdf&ei=xOANVcWtFYOxggTr5IG4DQ&usg=AFQjCNF_E9Rv-x_v9NY8hO_H0JGnKVNEQQ&sig2=Ym2MKUu6uWgFhHSQQhHmhQ

 

So then this question was asked:

 

 

http://thedaobums.com/topic/28582-taoist-yoga-discussion-thread/page-4

 

Taoist Yoga thread 2013.

 

That seems to indicate as Yang Jwing Ming says in that pdf link - the wind path is dominant during the day - the Conception channel - maybe that's the wind path actually. Then the fire path (Governor channel) is dominant at night - and so the tongue position is switched according to offset the dominance. I'll look into it.

 

So far I find Yang Jwing Ming saying to keep the tongue against the roof of the mouth at all times to create "heavenly water" that will guide the fire energy down to the lower tan tien - to cool the body. Sounds good to me. Otherwise the yin and yang are not connected and the mouth will get parched, throat scratchy, coughing, etc.

 

 

 

http://thedaobums.com/topic/24056-microcosmic-orbit-tongue-position/page-2

 

so 2012 MCO thread - saying golden elixir held in water position....

 

so that kind of answers the question of why Taoist Yoga would use the water position - in the back of the mouth....and it brings it back to the golden elixir topic of this thread. I'll stop there - with the golden elixir focus on the normal path of the MCO.

Well there is a few points missing here.

I think my practice is a little higher level than what you will find in a Yang Jwing Ming book.

Plus the mco runs in both directions. Just depends on the breathing reverse breathing it goes up the back normal breathing down the front. your orbit just has to be open.

Also your talking about a mechanical method and not a natural spontaneous one im not running the mco backwards.

There are different aspects here at work. I was describing the golden light energy in my practice.

1. The elemental nature of the energy which is important it naturally flows that way to the kidneys to nurture it then to the ldt.

Interesting observation.  Does your mco flow backwards when using the golden light? 

 

In Taoist Yoga there is no discussion of the mco flowing backwards, however in Yang Jwing Mings work there is reference to the mco flowing backwards along the wind path.  In Kap this backwards mco is used extensively to alleviate Kundalini syndrome and cool down the energy.

 

A chinese friend informed me that she had read a chinese text that interpreted "going along in reverse"  as reversing the flow of the MCO. 

 

As for the yellow dragon, I don't mean to imply that its incorrect, I'm just interested in how it works.  Maybe you can help me to understand.

 

Do you have a link to the Golden dragon meditation you mentioned?

 

Love and Light

Tony

Yes it does flow backwards. My teacher gave me an empowerment he put his hand on my head the energy went down my spine to the kidneys the ldt started to buzz and fill then it went up and I felt the energy in my 3rd eye.

That's just the nature of the energy.

Sorry no links I was told there was a link between my practice and the golden dragon system.

Concerning the earth element, Liu I ming, in his commentary on Understanding Reality seems to make a distinction between the yellow woman/the go between/the matchmaker/ the earth element and the Golden Elixir/the mysterious pass/ the valley spirit. 

 

The yellow woman is apparently considered by him as what brings the dragon and Tiger/ essence and Sense/ mercury and lead together.

 

The golden elixer on the other hand is what happens when the disparate elements of human existence begin to fuse together. 

 

Liu I mings work seems to suggest a form of meditation that doesn't rely on the microcosmic orbit. 

 

He suggests that the True lead is the yang in the triagram water.  The water represents the world of external forms, and the Metal (yang element) in water is the sense/shining mind/ mind of the Tao.  The suggestion seems to be that the tao is in the center of everything and we go about our lives looking at what is staring us in the face.

 

The True mercury is the Yin within the triagram fire.  The fire represents the human mind which is consciousness or essence with a wandering distracted element within it.   This wandering or human mind is the true mercury. 

 

The suggestion to form the golden elixer is that the wandering mind must be returned to the shining mind constantly.   When proficiency in this skill is acquired the golden elixir is formed. 

 

Liu goes on to say that the golden elixer must be reverted and refined.  The process of reversion seems to be the process of yin convergence, or stripping away the mundane conditioning.  The process of refining seems to be allowing the tao to grow in the practitioners life harmonizing yin and yang or flexibility and firmness.

 

The fully restored elixer according to Liu is the primordial unified energy.  As Tao views everything as energy then this might indicate the oneness of all things or nonduality. 

 

This is reminiscent of certain zen teachings, like the quote by a teacher that says basically. 

"Can' you see the Green mountains in front of you.  If you say you can see them, then how do you see.  If you say that you cant see them then how can you say they are invisible." 

This seems to indicate that some of those crazy old zen guys had some sense (True Lead) after all. 

 

There is also a common saying in zen that "The meaning of zen is not apart from the 5 senses."

 

This seems similar to the Trika in Kashmir shiavism  The trika is a trident.  Each point of the trident is the Knower, Knowledge, and the object of knowledge.  These points appear separate but they are all the same trident.

This might indicate that Kashmir shiavism understands the true lead (sense or knowledge) 

 

In fact this echoes another of Liu I mings statements that the shining mind contains real knowledge within it. 

 

These are just some observations on the work Understanding Reality by Chang Po Tuan with commentary by Liu I ming, translated by Thomas Cleary. 

 

Love and Light

Tony

I have one of the golden dragon meds. I wouldnt post something that I knew could be bs. Im looking for the rest of the meds.

My teacher died so I have to continue my research.

Jinlianpai,

 

Excellent point about the golden energy going to the lower dan tien. In most systems this is considered the home of vital energy in the body and the kidney have a direct effect on its generation.

The golden light energy when I apply it to another person flows the mco in reverse.

The length of time the golden light is applied decides the type of the empowerment.

The energy flows the Mco in reverse down the spine to the kidneys to the ldt and then up the front. If i keep the energy applied the full circuit will spin until I shut the golden light energy off.