JinlianPai

Stone.  ST-ONE ... spirit, self-posited as unity.

 

 

 

Ending off where u start is center or Zhong. Center is represented by earth. A stone is earth and thus has golden earth energy.

Im curious why it is called the Philosopher's Stone?

 

What does this correspond to energetically?

 

What does a "stone" have to do with becoming a golden immortal?

 

 

The only thing I can think of is that the person themselves are the stone, and they are pounded and pounded into becoming a diamond or enlightened.

 

That wouldn't make sense however if one views the stone as having the ability to turn base metals into gold, or mundane people into divine beings.

 

Ideas? Opinions?

 

 

Edit: Emphasize the word Stone.

Dragons chase pearls and the pearl is wisdom.

 

Mountains represent wisdom as they are "earth going to heaven"

 

Earth is yellow mountain according feng shui is in the house of earth and shares the same color.

 

Mountains can be considered earth dragons.

 

In alchemy also referred as the dragons pearl of the golden earth pill.

Pyramidalcow,

 

Mudfoot was quoting me. All authentic practices let one emit light at some point.

 

Shaolin was a full on buddhist temple they had tummo methods and so forth.

 

There are also records of kung fu masters reaching rainbow body they were known as the Wu Dragons.

 

All of nature has a golden aura. For earth is the balance of yin and yang where this balance can thrive.

 

Infact this is why the Tibetan Gelugpa Buddhist (yellow hat) wear yellow hats to represent the energy of the earth.

 

It's so important to have a teacher who knows what he is doing.

 

I remember talking with my teacher who all of a sudden started chanting a mantra and afterwards it felt like my chi was on fire.

Afterwards my dragon body has much improved. 

 

Its good to have a teacher help open you up.

 

 

and advance you.

 

Notice in illustration of golden halo that in some there are two  - one around body, one around head.

 

Many show only around head - usually "enlightened" portraits, etc.

 

MANY people say these are showing light coming physically from the head.

 

Anyone ever see a person with clearly visible (to everyone) glowing golden halo around head?

 

Ever think this could mean something else?

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

It means more than one thing....but in my practice its visible.

 

Im not guessing I have the practice...

So, do you mainly do seated meditation? Or low Ma Bu for hours? That is classical Shaolin. Any mudras involved?

 

Yes to both.

 

But for the horse stance it has to be done at a certain height so it correlates to earth chi.

 

A low horse stance correlates to fire energy and a high horse stance correlates to water energy.

 

Horse stance from lowest to highest

 

fire element (lowest)

metal element

earth element

heaven element

water element (highest almost standing)

 

The golden energy is more euphoric than blissful.

There are many others using full lotus, periods of celibacy, and creating intense heat in the LDT. Doesn’t make me less interested in the branch of Shaolin you mentions, and the primary methods used by that branch But if you want to go no further on the subject that is fine with me. My loss.

 

No no its fine I dont mind talking to some extent about it.

 

Actually all authentic neigong practices should have the practitioner emitting light at some point.

 

My practice is buddhist and came from shaolin it was brought to shaolin so the monks could protect and they turned it into internal kung fu.

 

This practice lets one emit gold light as internal power. Its not a by product of the training its what you are literally cultivating.

 

 

This practice in time will natrually create a halo around the practitioner;s head. 

 

 

 

This represents attaining the golden lotus.

 

This golden energy is the perfect combination of yin and yang it is the core vibration and it represented by earth. It's direction is center when you cultivate this energy is goes right to the ldt. Infact just being on the earth strengthens and charges your golden energy.

 

Some kung fu practitioners refer to it as the buddhas palm and so forth but it actually goes by another name but yes this alchemy was "weaponized".

 

 

Shaolin is very powerful.

 

So I like gengmenpai and all of that but shaolin has much more powerful and rare stuff.

 

I was hoping to get more into this, from the latest Mo Pai thread. 

JinlianPai, if you don't mind?

 

 

Neigong is very deep and became really developed when the shaolin monks started to incorperate their various spiritual practices into kung fu.

 

The gold light in buddhism is the symbol of enlightenment and has been referenced many times.

 

 

 

The practice I have now comes from shaolin and lets one emit gold light as internal power.

 

kind of like this

 

 

and yes something like this does exist.

 

 

 

My point in posting the above comment that you quoted me from is that there very powerful sects and rare practices out there other than mopai and it is for this reason that one should find a teacher.

The revelation of Chang Zhang Feng was thus.

 

That earth energy becomes metal and metal energy comes up from the earth and manifests as a mist which become white clouds.  These white clouds become charged by heaven/sky chi. These clouds turn black(water) and come this water comes to earth as rain as rain has a higher concentrate of heaven/sky chi.

 

This rain water first hits mountain which is earth this type of chi coming to earth causes thunder.

 

Thunder ignites the fire which goes back to earth.

 

I could go on and on about this. 

 

Water moved in the pattern of earth.....

 

Was his take on ru lai buddha's teachings...

Earth is very important is more than just yin just as heaven is more than yang.

 

Earth is yin because it supports all buts it's actually the all the perfect combination of yin and yang. An is represented by gold.

 

 

This is one of the many revelations of ru lai buddha.

 

It is all Zhongyang (center) for center is the middle for it is neither yin or yang. 

 

 

 

 

Just as heaven tiankong relates to the sky this also has a connection to mingkun as when we are young we have a higher amount of sky/heaven chi in us and lost that as we get older. This heaven chi qi comes into us via the mingmen as heaven decides destiny...

 

Earth according to the wuxing is literay the balance of yin and yang and is represented by the yin yang symbol.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing

My interpretation of the evidence I see in the video:

This person demonstrating his powers in the video (Zhou Shifu / Gan Zhou Sheng) possibly is the real deal and possibly has real nei jin.

I can say nothing about the effectiveness of the training system he teaches / sells to and the abilities of his (western!) students. When a real asian master teaches (especially to westerners), it doesn't necessarily mean that he teaches the training system and the specific powerful exercises to them which made him the high level master he is and which gave him his abilities and power level.

 

What and the shaolin monk at shaolin temple wasnt !

 

god ur funny...

This is why you need a master. Otherwise you will never really learn.

This thread was started because someone thought they were making progress but actually had qi deviation.

Yes mopai is powerful but so are other sects.

This is why I say find a real teacher. Or you could spend years of your life under a misunderstanding.....

It takes years to attain something and even longer to actually understand it. So how can one mix and match arts together that are very deep if one hasnt mastered it truly and if the art is authentic and real why mix it and if it wasnt real why add it to the mix in the first place.....

There are powerful sects out there whether they be buddhist or taoist or so forth.

Yea it's amazing what a little transmission can do. Some qi/dantien transmissions are really worth it. Can speed things up very quickly.

 Yeah he did I skyped with him almost every night for a while. He helped my ldt alot.

True.

 

I've been blessed with a number of both.

 

Much success on your journey! 

 

Cheers!

 

Yes me too.

 

My teacher was raised in hong kong and trained from a very young age by his father and grand father. My sifu attained the inner thunder zhen qi in his dantian when he was 7yrs old!!!

But In addition to cultivation work, I do Tai Chi Quan (Yang, and Chen), Baguazhang, and

Bagua Astrology, Bazi Astrology, Feng Shui (both my Sifu, and Grandmaster Tu do it   ),

Divination (I Ching, and Metu Neter oracles for the past 20 years), Theurgy (by way of Ancient Egypt),

Vedic Astrology (Krishnamurti Padhati), and various forms of meditation.

 

Real science works, regardless of paradigm. Science is from the latin scire "To Know". That's my goal,

utilizing anything within arm's reach (Although these days, more things are coming from Inside, than out,

with the outside just providing details, putting the knowledge in-form-ation. I'm waking up.   )

 

Balance In everything is the rule my friend. Thanks again.

 

Cheers!

 

Ah good.

 

Knowledge is much but to understand the essence or the marrow of it is much harder.

 

All one needs is one good art and for the master t be honest with them.

InfoLad,

 

I see that your into western science and that is good.

 

but

 

Please get into Feng Shui. Which deals with the transmutation of chi.

 

Chi transforms thru out the day thru the 8 forces being able to feel this transmutation process as the day progress is very good.

 

Feng Shui goes deep to creating spiritual barriers to dealing with the spirit world to taoist magic and so forth.

 

Knowing the transmutation of chi and how it affects the tao and harmonizing with it is feng shui.

 

A Feng Shui master can step into a area and can feel that energy imbalance and tell you that the metal energy is conflicting with the wood energy and so forth.

Good point JinlianPai.

 

Great Image. Love Bagua, both the style, and the astrological system.

 

Another point I was taught years ago, Is that it also depends on where the style was founded.

 

Some folks fought on boats, so they favored a low stance.

 

Some fought people on horseback, so high stance, and a style with lots of kicks.

 

The origins of these various styles is a fascinating story In Itself. If you haven't looked at

his site before, Sal Canzonieri has a great series of articles, and video, on the history

of Chinese martial arts. Great stuff:

 

Natural Traditional Chinese Martial Arts - articles by Sal Canzonieri

http://www.bgtent.com/naturalcma/

 

NATURAL CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS PROGRAM -Youtube Videos of Various Forms

http://www.bgtent.com/CMAQigongSchool/MartialArtProgram.htm

 

Cheers!

 

It is!

 

My teacher got me into feng shui and the i ching.

 

He told me id never understand chi if I didnt understand feng shui....

Horse stance can be done differently depending on the art your doing.

 

If your art is fire based then you would want to do a deep horse stance.

If it is heaven based a high horse stance.

 

and so forth.

 

You see every style of kung fu works with a different force in the bagua.

 

 

When the kung fu master adjusts your stance he is actually attuning you to this force.

 

So your building up the right type of force.

In the neikung book Kosta wrote he gives 3 standing meditations. What im curious about is if he did those on a regular basis in his own personal practice.

Mabu builds the internal strength, clears the meridians, fills the vessels, builds a connection to the earth, increases and corrects the chi flow, strengthens the yi, norishes the bones and kidneys.

 

It is a very good beginning practice.

Ok, so this morning I had some time and wanted to join the very serious discussion going on here. The Magus of Java is constantly being quoted as a source of validity to the western group training in Mo Pai. So I will quote a part from it too.

 

“I want you to stand here like this.” Liao Sifu showed him the basic entry into what has been popularly called the “Horse Riding Stance” (Ma Bu in Chinese). John eagerly copied his movement, Beginnings assuming the stance. Liao Sifu grunted in approval, corrected him briefly, then to John’s horror turned and began to head out the door. P31 Beginnings.

 

Liao made John stand like this. I assume the Mo Pai groups thought this to be a test of his determination to be a student. 

 

I think that his training started the minute he was made to stand in zhanzhuang. It activates channels inside the body that allows the dantian to be filled. Skipping this part and going straight to sitting is a probably waste of time. The required channels lay dorment, and qi does not get get stored in the dantian. Or jing or yangqi or watever gets put in there by your beliefs and reasoning. 

 

Do you guys not discuss this part at all? Why was he made to stand in Mabu? And more importantly, what if what I think is true? You guys spend alot of time doing Mo Pai level 1, and without mabu prior to this you are most likely doing nothing with the dantian.

 

But I know very little about only a few things. I am merely asking a question here, not making bold statements.

 

Yes very good point. I have also heard from kung fu masters that building up the chi in the 8 vessels is required before storing chi in the ldt, because the chi in the ldt will leave and go to the vessels to fill them up. So in kung fu sects they make you start in in mabu.  Back in ancient china real kung fu training didnt begin until your sifu felt the chi coming out of your hand like water. This is how it was for the creator of Yiquan when he was a boy training under his sifu.

Zou Huo Ru Mo is qigong deviation. A imbalance in the chi due to incorrect practice. My suggestion is to try another art with a teacher who can fix you if need be.

Taichi is a beautiful art.

 

It went thru alot to survive with Mao Zedong and everything the chen and yang families had to do what they could so they could survive.

 

I looked at David Dorian Ross taichi form and what I noticed was a lack of richness and yi in the moves. When I watch videos of Cheng Man Ching doing taichi I can feel and to some extent see his chi when he moves from posture to posture.

 

By richness I mean radiant chi field and I dont see nor feel that with mister ross.

 

He does his taichi too much like a contemporary wushu form...

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What does that do Jinlianai?

 

Maybe I don't want a barrier??   I want to access heaven when I sleep!!!

 

Heaven in feng shui actually corralates to the sky.

 

Dont think of this as a wall but pure fresh sky chi who by its very nature repels negativity.