thamosh

Why settle for anything less than the Supremely Powerful?

 

 

Nice vid but the only thing i think when i watch that is would someone who knows that try that on a guy who has enough internal power to explode one of your internal organs with a strike? I dont think so.

Well if thats what people are looking for...but holy crap they had everyone out there from young men to grandmas.. For such a deadly school of neikung they sure do have a lot of students but the youtube videos are nice....

Umm how is tridaya similar to mopai......

i thought it only have 3 levels and no thunderbolt stuff...

Its spammy and false advertising.

When it comes to this stuff you have to be a little clever.

Uniting yin and yang isnt exactly how a taoist would put it...

It would be more like uniting heaven(yang) and earth(yin).

And getting dian(electric) chi......

Yes there are other powerful lineages out there but its not going to use mopai terms its going to use their own.

Be careful not to put up walls of your purposed truth that same wall could prevent you from finding the truth.

 

"The head of the Daoist School Zhen Dao outside the territory of China is Vitalii Lishchyna."

"At the moment Master Lu Shiyang (吕實陽) is the Grandmaster of the School."

 

In my school, very high requirements to students who want to be teachers are set. They should be able not only to know well the Daoist theory and perform well in a variety of exercises and meditative practices, but also have a high level of virtue and pure heart.

I make very strict exams in all disciplines that I teach, and particular attention is paid to the practice of internal alchemy and understanding of the Daoist philosophy.

Ah ok I understand this makes much more sense to me thank you .

I am sorry, but I do not understand what you are talking.

 

 

My Master lives as a hermit in the mountains and he has other senior students.

 

 

Sorry, but I did not ask you to do it.

you can find more information about me here

My point in asking you this is to understand how you are the head master if your sifu is alive and well.

Im not doubting that a young Caucasian male could be the head master of a taoist sect im sure your master gave you a certificate that shows that you are the current Head of the sect.

I read the link you posted and it was very basic.....

Was there a certain level of attainment you had to reach before you became headmaster?

Was there testing you had to go thru?

Personally I think you would make a good instructor but im having trouble understanding the head master stuff.

Vitalii,

Im just saying I dont understand and im asking you for clarification.

I asked a brother student of mine to check as well and he came to the same conclusion as I.

So what happened?

Did your master die? Did he not have any other senior students?

I shared some of my exps with my teacher.

Could you please do the same?

Yeah i hear ya on that I can heal but its something i dont advertise or even really speak about. I tend to let things happen more ntrually and leave it to the tao's hands.

 

To me I believe that neikung is more spiritual then what is currently being said. Without cultivation of the shen then there is no alchemy.

 

Before I started training under my current teacher I really didnt know of the shen and its power. No one really talked about it.

 

We practice heaven and earth alchemy to where the shen and the ldt is cultivated at the same time and then united.

 

I remember one time I was on the phone with my teacher and he asked me to tell him what he was wearing and when i focused my mind i hear a high pitch brrrm and i saw what looked like a black hole....Then i got a feeling of him then i started to see him. I told him what he was wearing and i asked him about this and told me that our training develops the shen and its power.

 

I though this is cool.

 

Sifu and i tested me like this a few times.

 

I tested it myself a little. I was at walmart and I was by the cash registers at the front of the store. And i decided to see if i could focus on all of the people in the store at once and see them in my mind like i had done with sifu. So I closed my eyes and started focusing on all the people in the store and all of a sudden I started to get a sense of them then they start to appear in my mind I could see the people in electronics apparel and so on.

 

As my shen developed more I noticed that if i said some peoples name it would activate my shen. I asked sifu about this he said that when you say someones name that you momentarily connect with them and if they have any spiritual power they will activate your shen to varying degrees depending on how strong they are.

 

Other things I noticed that if i held sacred objects, books, or visited temples or churches they would activate my shen as well. I asked sifu about this he said anything with spiritual power will activate your shen.

 

And that there were certain spiritual objects that only activate an burn hot in the presence of someone with a highly cultivated shen.

 

Now the other thing is sifu knows everything I do...If i was doing something bad his face would appear in my head. I was talking to another practitioner of another art who wanted to get some training info off of me and everytime i spoke to him i saw sifus face in my head. And one time he seen it too.

 

When ever i talked t Sifu I always feel like im being put thru some intense healing. I never really said anything at first but one day i decided to as him about this. He told me that when you reach a certain point in shen development that even your words has power if you want them to as your voice is related to yin chi. And that being in the presence of someone that has a highly developed shen that healing can occur as well.

 

One of the things i got from this is that energetic transmission can be given via voice as well.

 

My point in posting some of my exps with my teacher was to express the point that neikung is more than vibrating setting things on fire an so on.

 

What i exp with sifu i had no prior knowledge of.

 

To train in neikung without a teacher is to run the risk of being hugely under developed...

Words can have power and is a type of yin expression (think prayers) names can have power as well (think of the names of saints jesus and so on).

 

This is the power of heaven (shen).

With Vitalii I sense martial energy not a highly developed shen(something you think a headmaster of a sect would have)....

I believe he may be a good martial artist maybe a serious cultivator but not a head master of a taoist sect.

"People engaged in self-cultivation should avoid discussing others' strengths and weaknesses or right or wrong, as well as the ups and downs of society and all worldly affairs".

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Daoist wisdom

Im not trying to insult you or anything like that.

To some cultivators It doesnt matter if you discuss it or not....

My question to you is without a fully developed shen how are you going to pick your successor?

Vitalii,

I dont understand how are you the head master of your sect you dont have the power of heaven.

Let me explain.

When a Taoist master picks his disciple its not all of his choice. The tao points him out to the master.

I remember my sifu telling me that the master doesnt always pick his students and he doesnt always like who he teaches but god orders him to teach the student.....

Now if it was your destiny to become the head master your spiritual presence would be more dynamic.

To put it bluntly your shen power isnt developed you have more of the power of the earth(more of a martial artist).

Vitalii you just cant say that your the master of a taoist sect without your shen power not being developed.

Yeah i hear ya on that I can heal but its something i dont advertise or even really speak about. I tend to let things happen more ntrually and leave it to the tao's hands.

 

To me I believe that neikung is more spiritual then what is currently being said. Without cultivation of the shen then there is no alchemy.

 

Before I started training under my current teacher I really didnt know of the shen and its power. No one really talked about it.

 

We practice heaven and earth alchemy to where the shen and the ldt is cultivated at the same time and then united.

 

I remember one time I was on the phone with my teacher and he asked me to tell him what he was wearing and when i focused my mind i hear a high pitch brrrm and i saw what looked like a black hole....Then i got a feeling of him then i started to see him. I told him what he was wearing and i asked him about this and told me that our training develops the shen and its power.

 

I though this is cool.

 

Sifu and i tested me like this a few times.

 

I tested it myself a little. I was at walmart and I was by the cash registers at the front of the store. And i decided to see if i could focus on all of the people in the store at once and see them in my mind like i had done with sifu. So I closed my eyes and started focusing on all the people in the store and all of a sudden I started to get a sense of them then they start to appear in my mind I could see the people in electronics apparel and so on.

 

As my shen developed more I noticed that if i said some peoples name it would activate my shen. I asked sifu about this he said that when you say someones name that you momentarily connect with them and if they have any spiritual power they will activate your shen to varying degrees depending on how strong they are.

 

Other things I noticed that if i held sacred objects, books, or visited temples or churches they would activate my shen as well. I asked sifu about this he said anything with spiritual power will activate your shen.

 

And that there were certain spiritual objects that only activate an burn hot in the presence of someone with a highly cultivated shen.

 

Now the other thing is sifu knows everything I do...If i was doing something bad his face would appear in my head. I was talking to another practitioner of another art who wanted to get some training info off of me and everytime i spoke to him i saw sifus face in my head. And one time he seen it too.

 

When ever i talked t Sifu I always feel like im being put thru some intense healing. I never really said anything at first but one day i decided to as him about this. He told me that when you reach a certain point in shen development that even your words has power if you want them to as your voice is related to yin chi. And that being in the presence of someone that has a highly developed shen that healing can occur as well.

 

One of the things i got from this is that energetic transmission can be given via voice as well.

 

My point in posting some of my exps with my teacher was to express the point that neikung is more than vibrating setting things on fire an so on.

 

What i exp with sifu i had no prior knowledge of.

 

To train in neikung without a teacher is to run the risk of being hugely under developed...

Words can have power and is a type of yin expression (think prayers) names can have power as well (think of the names of saints jesus and so on).

This is the power of heaven (shen).

Now the power of earth (lower dantian) is the power of the electricity cultivated jing and yuan chi = power of the earth.

Most here are familar with Fa jing and the power of the ldt.

Heaven rules over earth and earth emits a energetic field and man is inbetween.

To righteously unite the heaven chi and energy field emitted by the earth this can only done by man.

This is to "Zhien 參 (to partake the union of Heaven and Earth)."

To do this both upper and lower dantians have to be cultivated so the power of heaven and earth can be cultivated in the human body and later united.

So in training you can cultivate the shen and its power and still have fa jing power.

With authentic training you experience it all.

Im sorry I mean advance Shen Dian Gong

Im surprized that I havent heard some of the Mo Pai nuts speak about advance Dian Gong...

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Thank you.

 

Do you think I should do anything "high level?!"

 

I was just gonna do a beginner's kung fu class, maybe at the shaolin temple not too far away, where they do courses.

 

I figure I'll just quietly train and study super hard and see if I can impress them.

 

But I kinda made my own way thus far.

 

I find myself channeling the Monkey King, I swear to Lord Buddha.

Ha ha ha!

 

But I need to stabilise and learn control and so on... the event only happened a little over two years ago.

 

Should I be speaking of this openly?

 

Does that sound paranoid?

 

I have suffered from paranoid ideation at times.

 

Don't mean they ain't out ta get me.

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Take some kung fu classes you may meet some cool people!

High level practice is ok if you have a good teacher.

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I have no teacher!

 

Bookshops!

 

The internet!

 

Maybe I'm looking for a teacher.

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Ah ok i can recommend someone.

Try him

http://www.wudangtao.com/content/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-vid.tpl&product_id=30&category_id=5&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=57&vmcchk=1&Itemid=57

Wu Dang Shen Dian Qi Gong

""Shen refers to “mystical spirit” and Dian to “electricity.” The deceptively simple movements are based on the traditional Chinese medicine theory of Yin and Yang, five elements and meridians."

Master Chen is a good Master.

What your looking for is high level Dian Gong...

For this electric chi the ldt spine heart and brain must be trained to handle this energy so their has to be shen development in this type of training.

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Enlightenment meter?

 

 

 

I had what I can only call a sudden enlightenment experience.

 

I had this really extreme experience.

 

Blasted every cell of my body.

 

Even now I wonder what I could do with it, were there something that I thought I ought to do with it.

 

I do think I might take up martial arts.

 

I am in my forties but I seem to have regained great vitality.

 

thamosh, you clearly hold much wisdom.

 

What would you advise?

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Consult with your teacher.

Yes, nei kung is more spiritual. The thing is that the real goal is to use this type of power that is demonstrated for your own spiritual growth, if that's your goal. Those who give their power away through excess healing are unlikely to advance as far as if they conserved their power. That's why my teacher was one of the hidden ones. When someone came to him for healing though he did miraculous things and never charged for it. After healing someone he had to work three days to get rid of their sick energy and get back to normal (normal for him).

Yeah i hear ya on that I can heal but its something i dont advertise or even really speak about. I tend to let things happen more ntrually and leave it to the tao's hands.

To me I believe that neikung is more spiritual then what is currently being said. Without cultivation of the shen then there is no alchemy.

Before I started training under my current teacher I really didnt know of the shen and its power. No one really talked about it.

We practice heaven and earth alchemy to where the shen and the ldt is cultivated at the same time and then united.

I remember one time I was on the phone with my teacher and he asked me to tell him what he was wearing and when i focused my mind i hear a high pitch brrrm and i saw what looked like a black hole....Then i got a feeling of him then i started to see him. I told him what he was wearing and i asked him about this and told me that our training develops the shen and its power.

I though this is cool.

Sifu and i tested me like this a few times.

I tested it myself a little. I was at walmart and I was by the cash registers at the front of the store. And i decided to see if i could focus on all of the people in the store at once and see them in my mind like i had done with sifu. So I closed my eyes and started focusing on all the people in the store and all of a sudden I started to get a sense of them then they start to appear in my mind I could see the people in electronics apparel and so on.

As my shen developed more I noticed that if i said some peoples name it would activate my shen. I asked sifu about this he said that when you say someones name that you momentarily connect with them and if they have any spiritual power they will activate your shen to varying degrees depending on how strong they are.

Other things I noticed that if i held sacred objects, books, or visited temples or churches they would activate my shen as well. I asked sifu about this he said anything with spiritual power will activate your shen.

And that there were certain spiritual objects that only activate an burn hot in the presence of someone with a highly cultivated shen.

Now the other thing is sifu knows everything I do...If i was doing something bad his face would appear in my head. I was talking to another practitioner of another art who wanted to get some training info off of me and everytime i spoke to him i saw sifus face in my head. And one time he seen it too.

When ever i talked t Sifu I always feel like im being put thru some intense healing. I never really said anything at first but one day i decided to as him about this. He told me that when you reach a certain point in shen development that even your words has power if you want them to as your voice is related to yin chi. And that being in the presence of someone that has a highly developed shen that healing can occur as well.

One of the things i got from this is that energetic transmission can be given via voice as well.

My point in posting some of my exps with my teacher was to express the point that neikung is more than vibrating setting things on fire an so on.

What i exp with sifu i had no prior knowledge of.

To train in neikung without a teacher is to run the risk of being hugely under developed...

It would be great if we can get Jiang's and zhou's students to contribute and not turn the thread into taobumbs jokes...

Yes that would be nice.

Now to MPG

MPG,

Would you consider training under Zhou or Jiang if not why?

Sooooo thamosh, do you practice Bagua?

Actually no but ive had friends advise me to do so.

Ive done a lot of taichi and dabbled in Xingyi

MPG once he finally realizes his true and real path is BAGUA!

 

Ha Ha the Bagua diagnosis

I was waiting for it

BUT

I thought it would go like this!

Other Person: I have a question on cultivation?

BGKA: Hmmm seems like you need to do more Bagua.....

Other Person: Um I dont even do Bagua!

BGKA: Hmm the problem is worse than what I originally thought! You need to start Bagua right away!!!

I think a temp Ban for MPG would do him some good.

It just seems like hes letting this get to him.

Maybe he needs a break.

I mean its getting to the point that if you even recommend another teacher to him that he will insult you the teacher and claim that your both training in bs.

Instead of keeping his cool and saying "Thanks for the recommendation but im happy with my current practice."

or something like that.

And I hope he reaches level 4 and so on...and I know of some teachers he might be interested in

But its not like hes going to look into them.

What im getting at is - Is he even a real seeker of the path?

He really doesnt want to discuss it thinks everything everybody practices is bs and doesnt want to hear anything about any other teachers...

So why is he here?

A break from here might do him some good.

I came across this video an it reminded me of what i hate about some practitioners...

check it

Ill say this with my training.

The ldt(earth) and the shen(heaven) has to be cultivated and they both have their own power.

I know in my training that at a certain point of your shen development that any object that has spiritual power will interact with your own and activate your shen.

Sacred objects, books, sacred ground and so on.

This started my lesson that in the presence of a real developed practitioners that some sacred objects burn hot....

When your shen is developed even your words have power when you want them. That if you tell someone to heal they will.

Your voice is related to yin energy and can have power when your shen is more developed.

But this is the power of heaven.

The ldt when developed has its own power.

I second this. He recently sent me a pm to engage in some argument and then sent me more pms when I didn't do so.....

He bashes chikung teachers, repeats himself constantly, makes accusations and insults other practitioners. He does this while providing no new info or insights into anything Taoist. No new teachers or books or training exps or just some insightful info on the path....

SaiyaMan,

Could be your future teacher....

Vitalii,

Seems like your getting caught up in kung fu politics...

My question for you is "What do teach that is strictly unique to your sect, what would one get from practicing it, and what have you attained from this practice?"

Stick to that if the training is valid then the people who vibe with it will come to learn.