Mal

Trance work is the key... check out energy work by robert bruce and buy robert pengs dvd both are worth their weight in gold

Hi mwight,

I have some experience of Robert Bruce's energy work from his book Mastering Astral Projection: 90-day Guide to Out-of-Body Experience (a good course that I never finished Preferred to spend my 30~45 min a day on other meditations but it does look like it would work if you wanted to experience an OBE.

Would you recommend Astral Dynamics: A New Approach to Out-of-Body Experiences for more energy work information? I see he also has a new book which looks more on topic Energy Work: The Secret of Healing and Spiritual Development.

(I'm not much of a DVD person, I like books)

The trance state is the state between both waking and sleep, the deeper you go, the more power and knowledge you can attain. You must remain awake to bring anything useful back, and yet your body must be completely asleep,

I read about this in The Five Tibetans: Five Dynamic Exercises for Health, Energy, and Personal Power

by Christopher S. Kilham (excellent book) He mentioned learning how to be conscious while you are asleep (as well as an interesting meditation method listing to the sound of nothing) I've never tried conscious sleeping as he was the only person I remember ever mentioning it. Without having a teacher I never know if it's good to mix things from different people. Any further pointers

Actually all the info in Kilham's book sounded really interesting. Anyone ever tried his methods or know of a lineage that they are from?

on a less serious note, there's one who re-acted this experiment with

much less equipment here

Obviously a flawed experiment,, everyone know cats are smarter than dogs

Mal a.k.a. the cat-loving bastard

p.s. the other link was an intresting read cheers Spectrum.

How about a set of squats.

Cheers I can try that when the feeling strikes me again. Just do a set of 10 or keep going till I feel better ? (When warmed up I do 50-70 squats (hard work) 100 is pretty much my limit)

I have also thought that the 6th Tibitan might help when I have this problem, but have not tried it.

Yoda's not a girl. He was goofing around. Whatever.

Well then now I'm really intrested in in his "boobs of great shape"

Okay - am I the only female on this site who is bothered by the wrinkled boobs comment ?

Not Female but I raised an eyebrow. Actually intrested in how they could be wrinkled, I've seen them suffering from gravity but never any wrinkles, 1st time seeing stretch marks perhaps?

Anyhow I've always enjoyed GT's posts, I was more supprised that he was only 22 and that Yoda is a girl! (I sure there was a comment about a Mrs Yoda once)

Hi Pietro,

Good justification of PUA ethics. I must admit I struggled after reading the game as I have a background in psychology as well. I could easily use these techniques to get what I want after a bit of practice, but is it ethical to manipulate girls just to get sex?

I must admin I decided that it wasn't, but I do find your reasoning sound. I basically just use these techniques to flirt. Everyone has a bit of fun and I've met some cool people.

Hi Everyone,

I've had Chia's books since I was ~ 18 never had a need to use them but now at 33 they are more useful

(Why does sexual response change? what makes a man at 18 able to have sex all the time and at 33 just not feel like trying again for a day or so ? )

Anyhow at the start of the year I was using the big draw out of Chia's Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy, and then moved onto his Multiorgasmic Man books, same method newer books I had success with the big draw but I started to feel a bit "out of sorts", depression after ejaculation (probably due to "failure" feelings) continual "sexual" feelings that wouldn't go away no matter how much I ejaculated / masturbated.

So I stoped trying Chia's methods in April and went with Dr Lyn's Method. I got his CD a few months ago it's excellent, worth every penny and it's only cheep. Basically I have reached the stage where I am extremely happy with my physical performance and this month I had my first non- ejaculatory sexual experience where I felt totally satisfied and happy (i.e. just like I had ejaculated)

I also have Healing Love through the Tao: Cultivating Female Sexual Energy by Mantak Chia I want to try dual cultivation....... So............................. how badly wrong can things go? :/ I'm am worried about trying to work with sexual energy, especially without a teacher. I think I'm quite self aware and I have a long history of trying mystical things and monitoring what goes on in my body and have my Tai Chi and Kung Fu practice as a safeguard when I stuff up energy work. And they do say "the teacher will show up when the student is ready" and I have wanted to try dual cultivation since I was 18

So I'm thinking that maybe that time is now. Any suggestions on how to proceed, resources etc specifically for women as I really have no idea what to suggest or to watch out for?

Thanks in advance

Mal

p.s. I wasn't going to add this part but I have been doing Lyn's Anal Breathing and playing with moving energy this month and this weekend I had the same "over sexed" feeling that I experienced previously. I was doing single cultivation without ejaculation and I just didn't want to stop. Rather than diminishing my sexual urge ejaculation just made me frustrated as I still felt "sexual" but had to "wait" before I could do anything about it. A few days of masturbation to ejaculation 3 times a day seems to have setteled those feelings down now. In retrospect mastubating that much is how I use to feel when I was 18

edited due to a dream

Hi Yoda

Thanks for the link to the older posts, I'm searching through them now.

I remember something from a TV show many years ago saying the someone was getting all their sleep by sleeping for 3 hrs 2x a day. But I could never find a reference to anything written about it.

Seem like it would work as it's basically 2x 90 min sleep cycles, a lot easier to work than trying to change to a shorter than 90min sleep cycle.

Yes most complete forms of Kung Fu will have a type of Iron body conditioning involved. In my style it is called Golden Bell reather than Iron shirt. It's not hard to learn, but takes a long time to acheive results. We build up the power of our strikes very slowly so there is no brusing or calloses etc. It's the breathing part that is the most important.

As mentioned there are heaps of books (I have read the healing tao Iron Shirt I) but I never had much luck learning it till I got a teacher.

p.s. I can't stop bullets or do any cool tricks like in the movies

Hi All,

My Sifu taught me this yesterday, really enjoyed it so I thought I would share

I riped the description from another web site.

_____________________

Seated Qigong for Winter

The Ancient Chinese understood much about living in accordance with nature. So much so, that they even adjusted their training to suit the seasons. Summer was the time for vigorous exercise that made you sweat. Winter is the time for quieter exercise that helped you conserve and store energy. Here is one of the classical seated exercise routines that your Si Tai Tai Gung trained everyday. It is called Yuerng Sun Gung ( Nourish the Body Qigong ).

1. Sit comfortably on the edge of a chair. Hands palm up on your knees with thumb and middle fingers touching. Close your eyes, teeth touching and your tongue on the roof of your mouth behind your front teeth. Take 3 slow, deep, gentle breaths. For the duration of the exercise all of your breathing should be performed this way.

2. Place your hands together palm to palm and forearms level with the floor. 3 breaths - on the in breath extend your hands straight up above your head, keeping the palms together. On the out breath come back down to the starting point.

3. 6 breaths - alternating the hands with each breath. Breath in and take one hand out over the knee, palm up, and circling up to your forehead then extending straight up your centreline. Breath out and draw the hand straight down your centreline back to the other palm. Repeat on the other side for a total of 6.

4. 6 breaths - with palms together breath in and press your palms to one side going as far around your body as possible. Keep your body square to the front. Breath out and come back to the centre. Repeat on the other side, for a total of 6.

5. 3 breaths - on the in breath open your palms straight in front of you, keeping the palms pulled back to stretch the wrists and forearms. Breath out and bring your palms back together with forearms parallel to the ground.

6. 10 breaths - breath in and extend hands straight up your centreline keeping the palms together. At the top breath out and circle your joined palms, fingers forward, down to navel height and then back into your centre as the fingers turn up again.

7. 10 breaths - this is the reverse to the previous set. Breath in and circle your palms, fingers forward up to the top. On the out breath draw your palms straight down your centreline back to the starting position.

8. Open your hands and place them palm up on your knees, thumb and middle fingers touching. Take as long as you like, breathing slowing and deeply. Trying to keep your mind as empty as possible of any thoughts but for your breath.

Article by:

Sifu Mark Webster

Chinese Kung Fu Academy - Mudgeeraba

I don't want to sound like a groupie, but this article is fascinating:

 

http://thefitcast.com/?p=82

Nice article, although I'm not a big fan of weightlifting and I do think there are benefites that you can get from Yoga, espicially astanga. Like Mado said in his response "When properly taught, yoga teaches integration and strengthening equally to flexibility" the key being "taught properly"

My bigest problem with yoga was trying to contain my ego. I just couldn't go at my own pace and kept trying to copy poses that my clasmates had take years to learn. I liked the moving astanga postures, but just didn't enjoy the static ones.

I find Tai Chi much more enjoyable. And importantly less likley to cause injury for beginers. I tend to teach elderly/less mobile/injured students and you still have to be very carefull. Even Tai Chi is more strenious than it looks.

So I've been doing 5 Tibetans for maybe 8 months... very nice, but nothing miraculous thus far.

Hi Yoda,

I've been doing them for 3 months. Good fun and they help me wake up in the mornings. I haven't noticed any "special" effects either. I'm 33 so I don't expect to look any younger, but I would enjoy it if they stoped my hair from thining I'm not doing the 6th Tibetan, are you.

Hi Japhy,

Thank for the link, I'll check it out. Nice to hear from you again too

Mal

Inspired by

FURTHER SELECTIONS FROM ENTERING THE TAO :-

08 - Do not work just for the feeling of happiness; it will cost you too much. It is better to remain right and

true on all occasions and at every moment. The feeling of happiness belongs to the emotional level. Thus, be

careful not to become a slave to your emotions; rather, be the lord of your spirit. (ibid, p. 128)

I am naturally a very happy person. When I talk to people they often say "Wow, you are so happy" or "what a nice smile" etc....

However I sometimes "feel" that I "need" to be unhappy. There will be nothing wrong in my life but I just get a strong desire to well basically sulk or mope around, or be cranky. It's like my body needs to feel like that sometimes.

I can repress it and just make myself feel happy but in the back of my mind the desire to sulk is still lurking there, where as if I just indulge myself in being unhappy, just for a hour or so, I sort of work through it and feel normal again.

I have often though this might just be my way to balance out my overly happy personality.

You know, I thought this would be a fun idea but it seems next to freaking impossible to find a school in a chinese internal or external art that a.) has reasonable hours (i.e. after work most evenings) b.) no contracts or other weirdness. T

It's always fun trying to avoid the McDojo's with their endless contracts and free uniforms etc

Wing Chun is by far the most poplular and common of the southern chinese systems, so it's often dificult to find a decent school. A good (i.e. complete) system of Tai Chi is all you need and I'm not too sure how well Wing Chun would complement your Chen style (northern v southern influences)

However all the people I know that do kung fu also know some form of tai chi, but they usually started with kung fu and incorprated the tai chi for health reasons. My Sifu knows Chen style as well as Yang. He taught us Yang and won't teach us Chen untill after we have learnt Tong Long (southern art, similar to wing chun) When I asked him if Chen style was "worth learning as well" he said that knowing Chen gives his Tong Long more power, but it will be many years before we are good enough to be of any help to us.

Anyhow, it would certanly be worth having a look at. What about the other students at the school you go to, do they train in any other arts?

Thought I would bring this one back to life, with some results

The 5 tibetans: Doing 21 reps first thing in the mornings. Every now and then I will sleep in for an extra 10min and only have time for the "spin" but basically I've found these to be a really enjoyable practice. I often stay up late and have trouble feeling awake with only 4 hrs sleep, these do make me feel good at the start of the day rather than exhausted.

An intresting side effect was that I now want to going back to Uni for some post graduate education. Will have to wait till next year but it's a change, I haven't felt motivated to do that for years. As for hair regrowth, nothing yet

Combat conditioning: Intresting experience. I got up to 30 reps practicing everyday, lost a few kg's and got under 100kg for the first time in years. But once I had acheived that goal I found it very dificult to motivate myself to keep doing these everyday.

At the moment I'm doing 70 reps for the squats, 35 for the pushups and I have changed the neck bridge for a normal gynmastics bridge (10~20 seconds) I felt trying to get my nose to the floor was overstretching my neck, a bit painfull sometimes, and now that my arms are strong enough to do a gynmastics bridge I prefer to do that. I'm doing them a fair bit slower than "fury speed" much more like astanga yoga. I'm also nose breathing and stoping when I start to puff.

Not "sold" on the combat conditioning.

+ They are very good at building strength and removing fat

- so hard to do that I eventually hate doing them and stop

At the moment I'm probably doing them every 2-3 days.

That person is a bad person. He wanted to fuck MichaelD. Burn him, burn him.

ROTFLMAO

That's classic, cheers

classical tai chi

Nice link, I quite enjoyed :

"The fact is that the knowledge cycle of learning the classical Tai Chi to understand its eventual consequences is very long. To learn the Tai Chi form takes several years to be proficient. To test the effectiveness of what has been learned in actual martial art application takes another few years. To confirm what the health implications are, especially during older age, requires a human generation"

I recently asked my teacher "out of the Yoga that I do in the morning (only since November) and the Tong Long and the body weight exercises that I do in the afternoon, Tai Chi is the one that seems not to be giving me huge noticeable benefits, especially compared to the Tong Long Chi Gungs"

His response was "Try applying the chi in Tai Chi and have a slightly lower stance and you

will feel the difference" I have been learning Tai Chi with my teacher since October 2002 and it was only last year that he corrected our forms and started us focusing on "chi" The form certanly felt different after that correction last year but the journey isn't finished yet