Mal

Please don't send our copyrighted material through the web.

O.k. to share experiences, O.k. to share the book, No PDF's etc.

No worries.

mmmmmmmmmm,

 

Golden cock.

But I don't know if putting your bodyweight on kidney one while doing that posture would be very "blissful"

I would say "pulling energy up your spine" is the wrong approach.

Emptiness meditation..emptiness meditation..emptiness meditation..emptiness meditation..

Fair enough......

Although if you want to have sex and not ejaculate I think Dr Lin's Anal Breathing method is the way to go.

Seriously, Xeno...it doesnt sound like a technical readout on the order of what you're seeking exists.

That's my observation as well. xeno's basic point is that there hasn't been a clear explanation of kunlun's mechanics, "how it works".

what is the mechanism by which kunlun facilitates enlightenment (or bliss, whatever that is)? Use as much neuro-chemical-mechanical-psychological rational as is appropriate. But use REAL terms.

To be blunt I don't think there is an explanation of the mechanism available in scientific terms.

But I don't think I could even describe the Micro Cosmic Orbit in scientific terms, or most of the stuff that I do.

Does it really matter if it works? I can understand your ......"annoyance" at the loose flowery terminology, the stories about people getting stuck to tennis courts and all the lineages etc. Most of the (small) book is like that personally I just ignore all that stuff, not intrested.

I just practice the method, observe what it does for me, and keep doing it if it feels good. Hopefully it wont f#ck me up!!!

Mal

p.s. sent you (xeno) a PM, have a PDF of level 1 if you want to have a look what is in the book.

pps. Although it is explanable. Sent Chris a PM about something a few weeks back and got an excellent reply that made perfect sense to me.

Everyone WANTS me to start ejaculating?

Do what you will

Seriously though, I was just wondering the usefulness of you personally practicing retention. Except for using it as a killer pick up line

Very basically I though the purpose of the 100 days retention was to reach a base level of.. well "power" Once that base level of "power" is reached like a critical mass that "power" willl activate and can then clean/fix/heal/whatever your body requires. As a side effect of this activation phenomena can manifest and they should be ignored.

But you have already had many things happen, due to the transmission. Why build more "power" when it's already working? In the book once people reached the 100days they scale back on the retention.

I think I must be misunderstanding this. "Power" is not my thing. I just enjoy sitting around.

The way Cameron is doing it if I can go 100 days straight great.

If I have a mishap I won't want to jump off my balcony to off my miserable failure of a cultivator existence.

OK?!

More than o.k. I would think it's VITAL not to have a feeling of "failure" As long as you don't cheat too much e.g. Taking 200 actual days to get to your 100 days of retention

Interestingly enough my retention was going better before my self imposed birthday start deadline. It was just happening naturally. Currently what's happening is I chose to end with a big explosion

My way of thinking about this, I'll try the 100 days, perhaps I'll make it perhaps I won't but if I'm still actually still doing the practice next year I will want to try and see Chris when he travels to Aus. Then I can get the transmission so it won't matter (correct?). If this was not on the cards the 100 days would be more important to me. Really I don't care what kunlun does, I just like sitting afterwards

You (Cam) already have the transmission, why bother to retain for 100, you might be better of at the level 2 schedule?

what happened to not posting for November lol

Stop asking me questions every day and I will stop posting.

That is NO excuse

Anyhow to redirect. Does this practice (or similar) stop sperm production? Can it be restarted to make a baby?

"A man hangs in a tree by his teeth over a precipice. His hands grasp no branch, his feet rest on no limb, and under the tree another person asks him: `Why did Bodhidharma come from the west?'

 

If the man in the tree does not answer, he fails; and if he does answer, he falls and loses his life. Now what shall he do?"

Eat the strawberry!

I can't do these (obviously) but I like the thread and today my Zen email was :-

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him.

Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

your google-fu is weak!

It's worse than that........ I actually download stuff from mininova

Thanks Yoda. I'll think about it. But really, are these definitions so complex as to require a book? How are people being drawn to this if they don't know what they're being drawn to?

Well, actually doing the practice results in a feeling of bliss very quickly. And it makes me feels good before / during / after practicing. As to the re-enlightment, not sure if anyone is saying that they have achieved that, so it could be......{insert best guess here}.

Why not have a go and see if you like it?

You don't need the book. Most of the book is just stories about the practice anyhow. The actual practice itself is quite simple. I've posted this before but the book does say you can share the method with anyone, just don't pass yourself off as a kunlun teacher. But then the book is copyright. Would posting the description of the level one method fall into the less than 10% reproduces for the purpose of academic study loophole?

I think it does so P.M. me and I'll send you the instructions if you like. But that would have to wait till monday as I'm lazzy and would like to OCR the book at work so I don't have to type too much

I'd better not comment on this subject

lol it's November now so you should be fine ............ for a few days

i really like ken cohen. the course is very thorough, i think. it bored me when i first got it, to be honest. but it grew on me. i never followed his method (i never really follow anyone's method). but i learned a lot from the course, and it helped me to easily memorize tons of foundational information.

Yes, don't think I'll be doing it as a course like he sets out. But his course would be very good if you were just starting out doing Qi Gongs and did not have your own practices. But he certantly presents good info on a lot of different practices. It nice to actually see some of the exercises that I had only read about or heard about in posts here

yeah kohen's course up on demonoid too, and mininova has SFQ 1,3,4 also level 2 is floating around somewhere maybe isohunt.

just fyi

Thanks but WTF does that mean are demonoid and mininova web sites?

Cheers

for me to get in shape and was wondering have there been any studies or Taoist practices to confirm this?

Actually if I ever write a diet book that was going to be my title, until I heard a Doctor on Oprah give the 20 lbs = 2 inches quote last year. It's really a lot more variable than that.......

But as someone who has lost 30kg, basically yes my penis is noticeably longer now, but not by 6 inches

I'm close to getting there with herb...went from a super stoner to....ahh, once a week these days. maybe twice. but its not the same for me anymore...dont enjoy it like I used to..

Don't do it if it's not fun

I found that long term smokers tend to move away from the "couchlock" of the indica's to the more functional "cerebral" high of the sativa's. Unfortunately sativa's are not that popular anymore, a bit "old school" and pretty hard to buy compared to an indica, unless you live somewhere in Amsterdam No doubt because sativa's take longer to grow, yield less, and are not as "strong" as indica's and are therefore not favored by commercial growers.

In consideration of the ignorant that I represent would someone please inform me of the purpose of kunlun?

Hi Xeno, To me is seem that the "hook" is the bliss. The practice of Kunlun has noticeable "effects" very quickly, unlike many other practices.

The stated purpose is re-enlightenment, which to me means to realise your true nature.

Hi all,

The other half got me this course for my birthday

Looks like a lot of fun with info on various Qigong's. The structured training program is basically ~1 hour in the morning ~30min in the afternoon. Some of the exercises you do change every 10 days, you rotate through almost all the various Qigongs presented.

Anyone had a go at this? My understanding is that Ken Cohen is a very well respected teacher. Early impressions are that even without doing the exact training program (don't have that sort of time) there looks like a heap of great info here.

Not sure if this has been already been mentioned or even if it is in the book, but if you are having a hard time getting your feet going, try leaning forward slightly. Also lift the heels up really high as mentioned earlier.

Leaning forward slightly is in the book. Still found Trunks suggestion to relax the toes into the ground most helpful with removing excess muscular tension in the calves and lower legs that can occur when holding up the heels.

p.s. Feeling like I have a different copy but on which page is the photo with the hands the wrong way?

I now would be interested to see a study examining the effects of smoking ONLY pure, natural, organic tobacco. To see if it's actually the burning tobacco that causes cancer...or just all the modern additives?

Don't know much about tobacco but I always wondered if I would get cancer from burning incense sticks

Anyhow FWIW it does seem that setting things on fire is the big problem.

I like Volcano's

www.healthysmoking.com.au

She also said that people underestimate what practices such as tai chi are doing for them, and chase these other methods. FWIW My tai chi did feel somewhat unbalanced tonight.

I have noticed I have been less motivated to practice Tai Chi recently. But I go throught phases where I practice a lot of Tai Chi and then not that often. I try to go with how I feel.

Anyone have any ideas about a less than 1 hour Kunlun posture requiring less than 20 min cool down?

CLOSE DOWN SHOULD BE EQUAL LENGTH TO HOWEVER LONG KUNLUN PRACTICE IS.

I'm inclined to agree. I think one hour was too much for me at the start and caused a weird effect. I have changed to doing 10~20min of the opening and then 20min of the closing. I am not getting huge results like others but I am enjoying myself

Perhaps 20min is enough once you get use to it But I'm feeling that the "siting still" is the most important part.

Or..are you like me and basically don't have a clue?

I don't have a clue either? Try a search for Hermes Trismegistus.

Hi everyone,

 

I am reading "The Multi-Orgasmic Man" and also the "Taoist Secrets Of Love Cultivating Male Sexual Energy", both written by Mantak Chia.

[snip]

I have began sexual cultivation and drawing the energy form the testicles up the microcosmic orbit. Have a little trouble bringing it down the front channel but I am working on it. What I do not understand is during the orgasm is the sperm (sexual) energy suppose to leave the testicles? Or can it enter the urethra and hold it back with the use of the PC muscle?

 

Cheers,

Carlo

Hi Carlo,

Getting the energy to move is dificult. Read all the stuff on Trunks sight it's excellent.

I also found Dr Lyn's method to be a bit easier for me than Chia's, it's the same principal. His impossible to navigate web site is www.Actionlove.com The CD Rom that he sells is very cheap and much easier to navigate but virtually all the info is available for free on his site.

Mal,

You are an Ozzy, You practice southern Mantis?

I teach Hakka kung fu as well!

WYG

Nice. If I remember my history correctly we are doing "similar" / "the same" stuff.

Tim Tams are pretty good, but the best chocolate is made by Cadbury

I would be so skinny if I didn't like their Dary Milk Chocolate!

5 - 1 odds Cameron changes his top 5 again . Cam, you crack me up man. There's a child-like innocence about you.

I'll have some of that action, it's a sure thing