narveen

I was under the impression that the Nazis designed and implemented the 'final solution' ... I didn't do that ... so why should I take responsibility for it? I don't blame all Germans just Mr. H and his mates. I blame them cos they did it ... simple as that. I am not racist ... I know this about myself ... I don't need your opinion.

 

nobody needs anybody' opinion

that's why we go on implementing final solutions

when we target the blameworthy solely based on the impression

that they did it.

 

this is why power is so important

we hate it when we don't have it

and we are hated when we do

 

"i don't need your opinion"

and that's when the panzers roll

why not?

why can't one have them both?

 

does the mind have to be dirty?

What should they say that was good? The trains ran on time? They built volkswagons and lots of autobaans? Lovely line in black chic uniforms? Oh yes and raged catastrophic war in Europe and tried to exterminate the Jews (amongst others) who they labeled as sub-human and so on.

 

if the jews were exterminated and you feel bad

then you need to take responsibility for that

yes, you! personally you!

don't blame hitler and don't blame the germans

if you do that, then you are racist to the core!

and you should indeed find that mindset hateful

 

every time a black man is killed by another black man in america

it's called black on black violence

everytime a human being is killed by another human being in the world

it's should be called human on human violence

none of us is innocent of the crime

don't discriminate

you are bad and i am holy

i study the tao and you are a beast

what crap!

 

you know what?

i never did understand what the jews had to do with anything.

to me, that - what happened to those folks - sad as it was, should have been a footnote

within the historical context of human on human brutality

and we are still at it!

nuclear weapons stockpiles in their thousands have all our names on them

each is more lethal than the two that fried the japanese in 1945.

 

the second world war was a colossal social phenomenon

like the mother of all hurricanes

i know the first world war was no small rumble

but it doesn't move me as much as the second world war

 

don't get me wrong

it bothers me when people - regardless of ethnic origin - get killed

the brutality that the "chinese" suffered at the hands of the "japanese"

was unbelievably horrible

it's disingenuous to finger point the japanese

we are evil

all of us

I got booted for being as yin as I am, regardless of the semantics, it boils down to there being "no place for" that level of yin, on this board. Yet the counterpart yang seems to be permitted to thrive. It's the concierge afterall.

 

getting the boot from an ass

is not the same as getting a polite request from the manager of a fine establishment.

 

it has nothing to do with your yin-yang balance.

no one likes to be man-handled

8 American children were killed in the 9/11 attacks, 1.5 million Iraqi and Afghani children were killed in the ensuing 'war' on terror.

 

who is to be blamed for that?

nobody

because there is no one in the goddam boat that just drove a hole in your hull leading to the drowning of all the children.

which part of chuang tzu's "empty boat" parable you don't understand?

 

the moral of that parable is

don't mess around

the little pebble you remove

may be holding back a humongous boulder

that can fall and cause a whole mountain side to slide wiping out an entire village

you can't blame the mountain because it's as "empty" as the boat

even the fool who moved the pebble is blameless

there is no one there

I will be avoiding these negaive threads for a while. My attitude has grown a little negaive and I don't like it.

 

NAJA does come on strong and his views are moving you

the way a catholic priest get moved by a real hot chick in a bikini

 

the priest doesn't like that either

even though we love it.

If you care to read, William Shirer's account of the rise and fall of Nazi Germany goes into detail as to why Hitler hated the communists and Jews. It all began in Munich Germany.

 

i read that a long time ago along with tons of other material

practically all are as biased as the history channel

none has anything good to say about hitler's germany

i won't accept evaluations based on other people's sentiments

 

You have derailed this topic from the OP. Why not participate?

 

derailed?

that's your opinion.

you should focus on the topic

instead of playing sheep-herder

Can you possibly explain this statement? What does that have to do with the OP?

 

well, the op is full of it.

anyone who tries to hawk anti-american propaganda has to prove they can back up what they say

i am on the ground and not a clueless activist lapping out anything bad about his own country

i know i won't change your sentiments about america

love of country - like loyalty to one's own folks - is inborn and cannot be cultivated

and i intend to defend the fort even if i am the last man standing at the alamo

Celibacy doesn't seem natural to me.

 

it's an ideal not many can realize.

 

the problem is not the concept of celibacy

the problem lies with practitioners who doesn't understand its principle

 

it's the same with everything else in life

why did you not answer my questions?

why were you arrested?

what are you accusing the usa of specifically with regard to the killings in indonesia?

 

don't run away if you want to wrestle with issues

takut?

im not here to stay. im sick and tired of the impasse of the Terms of Service being an obstacle between human social interaction and human political solution.

 

This is a socialist agenda, the tao bums, not a place for genuine Taoist solutions to be discussed and more importantly applied.

In tao there is no exclusiveness, so the ToS excluding my angry and "violent" speech directed toward the generality of "civilized" lifeways is blatantly hypocritical in and of the spirit of Taoism.

 

 

Im not here to just discuss the world of Taoism, im here to experience the minds of my peers and share with you all, my own mind.

My own mind, so incompatible with the civilized dominion paradigm, not a pleasant place for those who fear.

 

Im not here to stay, im here to change the world.

 

 

hey, i'm with you, man.

i agree with all that you are saying.

i'm surprised you even got back in.

 

but the tao bums is like a tea shop meant for reflection about freedom

it's not actually a meeting place for revolutionaries who are serious and want to cut out the foreplay

 

using your anarchy argument

the tao bums also has its free will

which - in accordance with your anarchy principle - needs to be respected

and that gives the mods the same shoot-to-kill right as you against any oppressor

 

i like your style

either create your own website

or show me the website that allows a free-for-all

i would head there to debate your views

I just watched this doc - Delta Boys - about how Western oil companies are destroying the Niger Delta of Nigeria so that the West gets cheap oil and the Nigerians get the local livelihoods wiped out.

 

it just so happens that the oil is within nigerian terrirtory.

if the usa is as bad as you say, she could just move in a gunship and take that oil for free

the nigerians don't know how to get that oil out of the ground

and that is why they hired the oil companies to get the oil out

meanwhile the nigerians fight among themselves for the oil money

chevron doesn't give a shit who gets the money

nigerian government or the delta thugs

chevron doesn't really care.

all they want is their cut for doing the job.

 

So the Delta Boys were forced to attack the oil companies, causing billions of dollars in damage from lost revenue.

 

they want the oil money, sucker.

you think they care about anything else?

 

The government bought off some of the militants but the Western oil companies continue their same behavior - destroying the environment, wiping out the local livelihoods.

 

western oil companies are contractors hired by the nigerian government

if there are any environmental trade-offs, it is for the nigerians to make the call.

the oil companies would drill your skull if you paid them the right price

it's your skull and you are making the call

if it's not the right thing to do, don't blame the oil companies

kick your own butt

 

So new militants have taken action again.

 

thugs, selfish thugs out for themselves

they are no different than the somali pirates on the other side of africa

 

Just standard fascist genocidal operation for a U.S. client state in the U.S. global empire.

 

you do have a problem, my man.

i need to psycho analyse you

Your statement proves that you have no concept or understanding of history. E.g. "the Germans had a just cause". Do you even realize why Hitler attacked Russia? Here is a hint; Munich.

 

munich? another activist conspiracy theory?

 

 

There is no Communist threat except one created by fear mongers who need an enemy to hate.

 

well, you are the fear-monger spreading stuff about the enemy you hate: the usa

 

There are plenty of academic documents that utterly refute your statement of errors.

 

what academic documents?

chomsky's rants?

great! you are on the ground in indonesia and so am i.

let's see which one of us is telling lies about the usa.

 

Hahaha...You will need to take my word for it because I will not assure you any other way. U seem to like arguing for the sake of arguing. I never reason with unreasonable people, thats my motto... Firstly I'm married to an Indonesian Chinese, married in Indonesia.

 

take your word on what issue?

that the usa was behind the mass-killing associated with the political clash between suharto and the communist party of indonesia (PKI)?

 

Secondly I worked and lived their for over I year. Thirdly I speak Indonesian. Fourthly I have had conversations with powerful players and normal Indonesians on this subject and others. Fifthly, ive been visiting Indo every year since 2005/2006. Sixthly some nights I would visit old Chinese Indonesian in laws and sit and discuss the Japanese invasion, Sukarno, Suharto etc as they were alive b4 these events.

 

ok, let's assume that you are telling the truth.

at any rate, none of your connections can gain you any access to material facts for serious discussion

 

Sevethly ive been arrested by Intelkam and Rescrim through no fault of my own.

 

people who get arrested always say that.

what was their reason for arresting you?

 

Finally my father in law are well connected with Indonesian politicians, intelligence, army, police and immigration.

 

how well connected?

in corrupt indonesia the only connection of any value is money

 

How do you think I got out of being arrested in consecutive days without me paying a cent? Its called connected in laws making a call for me when they were on holidays in Singapore whilst I was managing a shop and warehouses in Indonesia.

 

chances are you were arrested by mistake

maybe you look like che guevara

otherwise there would be no way in hell you could have gotten sprung free without payment of money

especially with your indonesian chinese in laws pleading your case.

 

Somehow I believe I know more on this subject than you. Selamat pagi dan apa kabar. Orang yang tidak masuk akal...

 

you know know shit, buddy.

just answer my questions i posed to you

if you want to prove you are right about usa involvement in indonesia

 

and using google translate isn't going to impress me one bit.

The IP address can be from a VPN which proves nothing. If you are in Indonesia, what does that prove? That you know the entire story?

 

looks like you are more tech savvy than i am.

i'll bet the nsa can locate me in a second.

 

i am not just in indonesia for a vacation

i know the region, not just jarkarta.

listened to stories of chinese professionals and business tycoons

who fled genocide and racism to borneo, singapore and malaysia

even opportunistic americans had stories to tell about how they moved in

at the height of the genocidal rampage

to snatch up dirt-cheap brand-new heavy earth-moving caterpillars

for shipping back to projects in the usa.

 

all that proves, to me, the entire story is fabricated to stir up anti-american sentiments

the us messing around in central and south america could make geo-political sense

indonesia?!

I am a bit strange in that I am a conservative regarding my life and how the government (not Republican, Conservative) should be run but I have so many bents toward a liberal society.

 

perhaps the strangeness comes from a fuzziness about what is a conservative value to you and what is a liberal sentiment.

 

cite one liberal bent you have towards a societal ideal of yours

and give an example of conservatism in the running of your own life.

 

you could be surprised that your perceived conflict is an illusion

and that, deep down, your integrity is fundamentally intact

either as a hundred percent sane conservative or a far-left loon

I agree. In a democracy or what is left of it, we can still try to elect better representatives. Social nonviolent activism. When I see posts such as the ones by NAJA it reminds me how ignorant so many are of history and social dynamics.

 

let's not be condescending

towards people who don't think like you do.

intellectual cross-breeding is healthy

even when you feel you are being ridden by an ass.

 

sharing ideas with people who think like you do

is like sleeping with your own sisters

such incestuous relationships

produce warped minds

So no one thinks for themselves? got it. im an alien. fuck humans.

 

pie guy said that people are awful.

hey, pythagor,

 

do you have any mind of your own?

or are you a deaf mute shoving things in other people's faces

to make yourself understood?

every revolution that has used violence as an ends to the means has always failed.

 

"no revolution without blood" , a chinese saying

 

this is meant to tell the difference between

the inconsequential riff-raffs of activism

and true revolutionaries

i meant to say that the first iraqi war was to drive saddam out of kuwait.

sorry for the error which has been amended now.

 

We lost in Vietnam because we didn't understand the teachings of Sun Tzu.

 

i believe we lost in vietnam because of presidential idiocy.

never mind the strategy and lack of an end-game

sun tzu would have been appalled at the rationale for starting the military conflict in 1961

vietnam was to america what stalingrad was to hitler's germany

at least the germans had a just cause - stamp out the russian menace

we are still confronting the russian problem today (something hitler foresaw)

but the threat of global communist domination by russia and china, was unreal

 

if us presidents get to be commander-in-chiefs,

then they should not only be american-born citizens

but also graduates from west point.

that should cut out the pointless grief us presidents bring

to americans placed in the line of fire.

 

We have lost in Iraq for the same reason and we will lose in Afghanistan for the same reason.

 

i thought we won the war, militarily, in iraq.

by late 2008, conditions were stabilized for initiation of us withdrawal

and us/iraqi hand-over agreements were signed by both parties

accordingly, all us troops left iraq in december 2011.

 

as for the war in afghanistan, it was launched less than a month after 9/11.

when the taliban government refused to hand over osama bin laden

sun tzu would have approved.

the whole world approved

even putin gave russian support and provided territorial access for the invasion when turkey ( a nato ally) wouldn't

the taliban government quickly collapsed and all major town and cities were captured.

that was an appropriate american response that her 9/11 "eye-for-an-eye" attackers understood

mission accomplished, and an american military withdrawal right after that would have been ok,

followed by a covert cia global hunt for anti-american terrorists.

afghanistan is irrelevant.

why the us is still mucking around there with drone-killings is something else.

 

The Middle East wars are all about oil and money.

 

of course it's about oil and money, not just for the usa but for world economic stability including that of the middle-east.

do you know that american military operations in the middle-east to keep oil flowing from opec nations have arab support?

jet fuel for us fighters during the gulf wars years were paid for by saudi arabia.

god knows what else went on between the flowers and the bees while folks like you and i lounged in the garden.

 

And now that there is a plentiful supply of oil the gas prices have gone up $.40. Why? Because the rich bastards can do it and get away with it. Our government is supporting them.

 

i will give you that 40 cents

a small price to pay

to win you back on the side of the government

 

That is true, Tao does not care. But the Sage does. You cannot be Tao but you could be sagely.

 

you can be sagely

i would rather be tao-ly.

how's that?

If that is true then you are not stating it well. Further, you are stating the obvious.

 

but i am not moralizing it the way you guys are

all that whining is a bummer

Agreed. Americans are great people in the most part. Even the one who don't appear to be great could be great if given a chance. I mean, just look at the support our politicians got when they wanted to go to war against Iraq! Too bad it was all based on lies.

 

why do you think the american people was duped?

the first war was to get saddam out of kuwait

the second war was to stamp out saddam's insolence

both wars were strategic moves to establish order in the middle-east

 

you and i may have different perceptions

neither of us are privy to the facts confronting the respective administrations

i am viewing it from the position of sun tzu advising those presidents

on how a world superpower should deal with a pesky warlord de-stabilizing the middle-east

 

Our free market is set and diricted by our government to keep the wealthy rich so that our politicians can get all their perks from the wealthy. Always has been that way. There never has been a free market in the US.

 

it's as free as it can possibly be and better than all other markets

wealth and power is the nature of the game

the symbiosis between rich men and politicians

is like that between bees and flowers

but we are nowhere near the chinese

 

bloomberg reported that the 70 richest members of china's national people's congress

have a combined wealth of $90 billion compared to $7.5 billion for the 535 members of

the us congress, the president, his cabinet and the supreme court.

 

And you are right, no gentleman's code of behavior. Doen't matter who you put out on the street as long as you can increase your profit line.

 

And no, that's not Tao.

 

ask stosh

he said the tao doesn't give a damn either

Narveen,

 

You seem to be advocating the worst of capitalism, which is nothing but greed driven by social darwinism.

 

i am not advocating anything.

i am pointing out the way of the jungle as it is

and we are the beasts

 

no fangs, no claws

but every bit as vicious

and much more brutal

You make no sense whatsoever.

 

perhaps next life i will