Perceiver

This is going to be a very superficial question and one that's guaranteed to piss certain people off if I haven't done so already

 

When a man masters separating orgasm from ejaculation does that mean he could plow through several dozen colleges full of hotties and back?

 

I ask because I want to get an idea of what's possible. 

Lol.. If they find you irresistible, yes.

Wuwei doesn't mean to do nothing.

Wuwei means to do exactly what you want - but without thinking about it. It means to experience your natural intuition and creativity flow forth and manifests itself, without having the need to think about what to do and not to do. Beauty, truth and goodness in intuitive action, with absolute silence of the mind.

It will be much peaceful in the world when US/UK stops playing their colonial politics.

Because then Russia wouldn't.. invade the Baltics.. or what do you mean?

 

Neidan is internal alchemy- so it should bring evident and discernable reactions such as "siddhis" or 'abilities above the human standard'

 

If it does not, then it is in the same grouping as QiGong

 

QiGong, NeiGong, NeiDan, in the quest for JinDan

 

Real MoPai is the real deal- it is powerful and will bring effective change to the practitioner.

 

The overlapping, and some bad information and some shady dealings exist in all branches of the internal arts = so we can't blame the systems but rather the teachers/students.

 

Example: You build internal power then compete in pushhands... your opponent goes flying.

 

Leverage and skill not withstanding- real internal power is demonstrable.

I train in Michael Winn's neidan system and I have experienced much greater clarity, more empathy, a lighter body, less sickness, more understanding of myself and my purpose in life, more intuitive "knowing" of things, more creative energy and much other stuff.

That to me seems way more rewarding than some siddhi skills that can send people flying - why would you be interested in those?

I'm basically doing mindfulness meditation. Meditating on nothingness/being.

Kubba, thanks for the reply. I have talked to a couple of teachers yes, and overall I would say that my awakening is now bringing me great benefits - after I've learned to relax about it, and incorporate some neidan exercises to clear out blockages.

When I meditate for more than 20 minutes I get a significant pressure in my third eye. It can build until it almost feels like I have the flu, and I feel knocked out.

I started about a month ago with the meditation and the headaches have lasted for two weeks. Perhaps it's related due to my spontaneous kundalini awakening some years back.

Somehow, a cup of coffee completely cures it. But I'd like to avoid coffee. Meditation for 2x10 mins also avoids it. But I'd like to meditate for 20+ mins.

A couple of times I have had success with imagining that my head is filled with a fluid that slowly starts moving and clearing out blockages and then slowly pours down into my torso and is distributed there instead. But it doesn't always work.

I've done the classical stuff like triple heater and standing in stillness. But it's not enough.

I can ward of the worst symptoms with some coffee for now, but in the long run I'd like to avoid this altogether.

Have any of you used some specific exercises to deal with this?

how did this harm you exactly? I have heard to contract the perineum with only your mind or risk stagnation, but there are also lots of physical contracting that can be done

i am just curious I don't mean to sound incredulous

I was contracting very hard upon orgasm, and something in my stomach collapsed. My stomach looks different now, and I can't do situps without getting soreness. Also, I have suffered from premature ejaculation ever since. And lots of other things. One of my recent threads explains it..

than how can you control your ejaculation, if you dont use pc muscles  ?

By using your mind to separate orgasm from ejaculation.

Whatever you do, dont do pc muscle exercises. They harmed me and lots of other people too.

In terms of energy exercises: Pan-gu. Huge personal development, and it only takes 5 mins.

What's the difference between the two - the tongue position?

If so, it's nothing I've ever thought about. I just put my tongue to the dental flesh and that's about it.

If you've got the idea from reading Mantak Chia books then my humble opinion is that he really loves details - and a bit too much for my taste .

We've been touching on this in the discussion on 32 signs of Buddha and other discussions slip into it. I see the Mystery School on one end. A materialistic mechanical view on the other. Our personal power and outlook lies within the spectrum.

 

By Mystery School, I'm looking at the strange bedfellows of Fundamental religious and new age beliefs. Where everything is controlled or watched by higher power. Complete control happening, either from God, a universal force or our own godhood. Versus a more modern, nihilistic approach, where there is no controller, watcher or higher force. Only a myriad of influences that we think of as patterns and give names to.

 

Michael

I think both of these are at play: A certain set of rules exist that ensures that things are pulled in the right direction. A bit like an ecosystem: Atoms come together to form cells, cells eventually form organisms, and organisms eventually evolve into more and more refined entities. 

Those are the general rules that are laid out: The universe moves towards complexity. But within that frame there is vast opportunity for creative chaos - will, decisions, coincidences - all of it so that evolution doesn't become stale or super-controlled like a Soviet economy. Instead it is a creative, evolving and interdependent web of life that never ceases to surprise itself.

Namaste my friends

 

WHY Do we have sex without the intent to reproduce?

Because it feels nice.

Ego is to believe. Knowing is its opposite. I suspect that everyone on the planet has an ego.

If anyone has any ideas about teachers that could help it would be much appreciated. Would love to find out what might have gone wrong and how to correct it.

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"About a month ago I was masturbating and upon orgasm I flexed as hard as I could. About 5-10 seconds into the experience it was like something "popped" in my belly. It felt like all  hole opened with an inwards suction in my belly. Like something got sucked in. There was no pain, just this strange feeling."

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Seems like "blowback" - where the tension was enough to back-up the flow into the bladder.

 

This will make your urinary/reproduction system shaky for a while, now preferring only outgoing expression, so to say.

 

Either that, or perhaps something may have stressed, torn, or herniated.

 

Might be good to consult an experienced mentor or teacher and review your motivation for doing this and what is actually involved in the subject area of what you are trying to accomplish.

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

Thanks for the reply Krankenhaus. Any idea for how long it will be stressed? It's been a month now and no progress.

This is meant as a thread to warn others so they don't make the same mistake as me.

I've been trying on and off to try and flex my PC muscle so that I could orgasm without ejaculating.

About a month ago I was masturbating and upon orgasm I flexed as hard as I could. About 5-10 seconds into the experience it was like something "popped" in my belly. It felt like a hole opened with an inwards suction in my belly. Like something got sucked in. There was no pain, just this strange feeling.

The next day my belly bulged outwards and was sore. For some reason, my penis is hanging to the left now and seems longer when in a relaxed state.

Ever since then I've suffered from premature ejaculation/penile hyper-sensitivity. It doesn't take more than 10-20 seconds after I begin masturbating until I pop, and there is no way I can control it. I used to be the master of personal control in that domain, but no longer. Also, there is like a knot in my stomach when I masturbate and lean back in the couch.

I don't have a clue as to what is wrong, or which doctor to contact. They'll probably look at me with a blank stare. My best guess is that I've strained some sort of muscle or nerve in the groin or stomach. And somehow this is connected to the sexual centers and making them overexcited. Or maybe I have developed a weak or over-tense muscle somewhere, and this is causing it.

As it is now, I wouldn't recommend PC muscle exercises to anyone. My suggestion would be to try and see if you can use your concentration/mind (no muscle contraction) to separate orgasm from ejaculation instead.

So, there it is - a friendly warning for all of you out there. Proceed carefully in this area. You don't want to hurt your best friend .

If you read ken wilber you will get a meta-analysis of all those books and a more complex contextual frame for understanding them.

Yep, saw a doctor yesterday. He wouldnt do anything as i have no strong pain and as there's no bleeding.

I think somehow the sexual centers have come under pressure and are fatigued. The kidneys have a slight ache.

Its hard for me to flex my stomach muscles, so sonewhere in that area something must have been strained. I know the transversus muscle touches on pretty much everything down there, including kidneys and penis, so maybe thats where the problem stems from.

Will try to chill and see what happens. Fortunately im leaving on vacation now and can get some rest. But nothing can scare me like when my little friend is in trouble .

Thanks for the replies guys. It really helps to have someone to interact with about this. Man im scared, i must admit. Something must have happened to my penis because it feels hard and dead, without being erect. It scares the fuck out of me.

Dont think ill ever do the pc exercise again. I just hope everything heals up well.

To give you the background story, and to warn other people against it, here it is:

I've been experiencing with seminal retention for some time now, which by the way works great for conserving energy.

During masturbation a couple of days ago I tried to flex the PC muscle when climaxing in order to avoid ejaculation. I haven't put too much training into the PC muscle exercises, so I probably did it the wrong way.

After flexing really hard for 5-10 seconds it was like a point in my stomach collapsed inwards (between navel and penis). It's the strangest physical thing I've ever experienced. It wasn't painful at all. It was just like the area collapsed, and got sucked in. I immediately stopped.

30 mins later I thought "what the heck I'll try it again". Stupid fucking me. But this time my penis felt weird, almost retarded. It wouldn't get fully erect, and it behaved oddly as if it was closing to climaxing just 10 seconds into the experience. As the retard that I am, I flexed my PC muscle again, or whatever it is that I managed to flex, and the collapse in the lower stomach happened again.

I think I may have hyper-strained the transversus muscle in the stomach, or something similar. The next day my stomach was bulging outwards as described above. And the area above the penis feels tight. There is a belt of tightness stretching around the very lower part of the stomach and out to the kidneys. Probably fits well with the transversus muscle.

Also, the penis feels kind of retarded. A morning wood isn't a morning wood, but more like a confused half-wood that is way more excited way more quickly than what is normal.

I don't think I've hurt my PC muscle, as that is located closer to the perineum. In such a case the discomfort would be located closer to that point. I don't think that an organ has been squeezed or come under pressure either, as that would be way more painful. My best bet is that it is some sort of internal muscle or ligament has been strained too hard, and then it gave up and collapsed, and is now bulging a bit outwards and putting pressure on other organs in the vicinity, possibly also putting pressure on sexual centers.

Three days into it now and the tightness is less extreme, fortunately. The stomach isn't bulging out as much as before. Perhaps a couple of weeks rest with no sexual activity is all that is needed. But fuck it's strange. And there's no real soreness to speak of.

Beware when you flex your PC muscle. You shouldn't venture into that ill-prepared.

Thanks a lot guys. I actually did some energy work now and felt a positive effect. I did some ocean breathing in the area. And I did the inner smile with golden liquid to love every part of the body.

The area seemed to buzz up a bit, but in a seemingly good way. The area felt a bit warmer, and less hectic. Took a nap and the pressure in the area was less intense afterwards.

Anyone knows? Should i go ahead or hold off with energy healing exercises in the area?

Thanks Forest. I have no experience with hernias, but from a quick google symptom search it doesn't seem to be the case.

There is no pain, also no small lump.

It's more like the entire stomach is tight and bulging outwards, especially with the belt like tightness extending round to the kidneys.

Maybe it's the transversus muscle inside the stomach that I strained.

I pulled a muscle the day before yesterday. Something internal in my stomach, it seems.

Now the stomach is bulging a bit outwards, and the lower part feels tight. Also there is like a "belt" of tightness around the lower stomach all the way to and including my kidneys.

I was trying to flex my PC muscle when it happened. I must have flexed something too hard because suddenly there was like a "suction" inwards in my lower stomach. It felt incredibly strange.

There has been no sharp pain really. Just a tightness down there, and a stomach that bulges outwards. And the lower stomach (above penis) bulges a bit inwards it seems.

I know, I'm a weird guy .

Anyways, I've experimented with using energy attention to calm down the area. Moving an energy ball gently around in the area. Not sure if it's making it better or worse though.

Anyone knows the general guidelines for that: Is it good idea, or should I back off until it's healed up - whatever it is that I've strained?