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  1. Hello honorable Dao Bums, This new thread has its beginning in a dialogue in the thread, "Humans Without Souls." This initial post is going to be posted to another forum, and the safest assumption was to change the interlocutor Bums' usernames, for privacy, by making them initials. The other forum's members will not be told where the dialogue happened, here. ======================================================================== [ Luxin ] Until recently I thought it true that some people do not have souls; I was mistaken. Someone told me that everyone has a soul; this person is the one who also told me my soul's last life was with one of my great grandfathers (my mother's paternal grandfather) in Scotland who was born about 1860. [ i_s ] Luxin your past life was your great grandfather? As in you were you great grandfather and then re incarnated as yourself today? [ Luxin ] Hello i_s, thanks for your reply. I don't have my great grandfather's personality (no reincarnation). I just have the same soul he did but not his mind and personality. Though I never met him, I'm sure our personalities were different. My understanding of souls is that: . they are different from the mortal mind (with its ego and personality); . they go from life to life for many thousands of years and are said to be "ageless"; . at some point in those many years of living with many people, they come to live with a particularly "good" and loving person; when that happens God/Nature grants them eternal life, i.e. they are "born" and become immortal. From that point the soul has the righteousness of the loving person they were with when they were born as an etheric being, and those who are "good" enough to inherit the soul in the future have a power of protection in the love of that soul. . they represent pure Love and positivity, and they watch over people and help them to make good decisions. They're here to guide, teach and share their great Love. The fairy godmother is a figuration of the soul. Hope that helps. [ e_h ] You make it sound like it's housed in the body and fuels the person in the body. Meaning it can be stolen. What happens if it is stolen? Can one steal fragments only? Does it have any particular phenomena / unique qualities or specific lights/colors it is seen as? [ Luxin ] Hello e_h, thanks for your response! My concept -- which cannot be proven as it's based on the invisible but real abstract realm, and is the result of my intuition of abstract truth -- is as follows, responding to your five statements/questions in their order: 1. Re "housed in the body." -- At the time of their conception, a person's soul does "take up residence" in their body. Re "fuels the person in the body." -- If 'fuels' means 'empowers' or 'controls', that's true. The soul, being of the etheric (aka astral) plane is separate or "above" the physical plane; however, it can control its possessor's body and physical functions; I've seen proof of this that I can't share. With regard to how a soul empowers a person: The soul's presence can prevent them from doing foolish things that could harm them and others. The soul is protective of its possessor. The soul has what is called a "subtle or etheric body" that invisibly (to most of us) forms an abstract unseen field that encompasses the whole body and extends into the ether outside the body some inches. The soul's communication is subtle because it cannot speak words as we do; however, it has no need for language as it's telepathic. It knows what "its person" thinks, but doesn't harshly judge anything. However, because the soul is protective, when it senses that its person is in danger; i.e. that they are either being very foolish or some bad things are happening around them (it can read other people's thoughts too), it can do things like make its person vomit. The soul's centre of control seems to be the solar plexus, one of our four brains and the seat of emotion. 2. RE "Meaning it can be stolen." I haven't come across the concept of a soul being stolen before. 3. RE "What happens if it is stolen?" I'm sure that a soul cannot be stolen. My search for "stealing the soul" shows that some believe this to be a problem. All I have intuited about the soul tells me that anyone outside its person could not affect it. Despite its ethereal nature, the soul's compulsion to find and take up residence or live with a new person doesn't suggest a vulnerable or easily influenced quality. The soul clings to its owner; Claudianus Mamertus' account spoke of how the soul loves the body.[1] The soul studies the parents at conception, when the child is just an embryo; if one of the parents is dishonorable, it will not go with their child, but will continue searching for a new life partner "from house to house" so to speak, in the ether. 4. RE "Can one steal fragments only?" As discussed, the soul, that has eternal life, is a strong and determined entity. According to one source I don't recall, when the soul is travelling in the ether it's like a point of light (it presumably travels at the speed of light). To difficulty of trying to steal or fragment that could be analogous to trying, with bad intent, to split an atom or wrestle with a thousand legged octopus. The draining of blood is a reality, but similarly affecting the soul I sense would be impossible. Another invulnerability of the soul is that, being of the pure and always positive Superconscious plane, separate and "above" the negative channel of mind, it doesn't respond to or judge evil or any possible "bad intentions towards it." Being a Superconscious force, it's, so to speak, "completely confident" that no evil (which is only found in mind) can affect it at all. Related is the precept, "Seeing only good, one is not harmed by evil", expressed by Buddha as "Seeing the beautiful is the whole of the holy life" (paraphrase), and expressed in The Dhammapada 9.124 as "As a man who has no wound on his hand cannot be hurt by the poison he may carry in his hand, since poison hurts not where there is no wound, the man who has no evil cannot be hurt by evil." No one need be concerned about their soul being stolen whole or in pieces. I believe some can see profit in promoting the idea; I think I saw a computer game referenced in my search. 5. RE "Does it have any particular phenomena / unique qualities or specific lights/colors it is seen as?" I've witnessed untellable phenomena as per point 1. I haven't come across any reports of psychics seeing soul auras. I believe the psychics who can see auras are witnessing the biomagnetic fields that exist around the chakra points. [ e_h ] 1. Do they boost your thinking speed? 2. Sharpen your senses? 3. Increase your intelligence? 4. Also how could someone nurture them/ "it" ? [ Luxin ] Hello e_h, I numbered your questions for easier response.... 1. I don't think a soul can boost one's thinking speed; its purpose is to monitor and advise but not interfere with our natural capacities. 2. This is not likely in my view, and would breach the soul's "basic noninterference policy" so to speak. Risking a little facetiousness, souls and Captain Kirk of Star Trek would agree regarding "no control, no interference." 3. Ditto. But a soul can create an enhanced awareness of what is right or wrong for its person, which is connected with moral intelligence, the highest kind of intelligence. 4. Nurturing a soul. Good question. A soul is a power of Love and kindness, but it cannot compel us to think and act properly. The soul subtly sends danger signals to its person. My own soul is so "quiet" and unapparent, but I sensed, in my twenties, it was "silently screaming" at me about something untellable. My soul is growing a lot now; its growth was slow when I was younger. Basically, as one grows in Spirit, primarily in Love and kindness to oneself and others, and ego defenses begin to wane, the soul grows too. You could say that one's soul is nurtured by one's own goodness, righteousness and Love, by courage and all the virtues. Being a virtuous being, the soul disdains its person's worry, fear, self-doubt or self-pity (it strongly objects to it), and wants them to rise above that petty negativity and become one with their True Self, the Atman of the Vedas. If one can rise above self and ego one's soul goes through a "birth", and it is rewarded with eternal life. A soul may go through a great many lives without that "birth." When it finds an exceptionally righteous person on a spiritual path, it may be born into eternal life. Though a soul can give strong signals disapproving of someone's weaknesses like worry, etc., it is not harshly judgmental or self-righteous; the soul, being Divine, is completely dispassionate in its objections to foolishness. There is no passionate emotional negativity in the Superconscious plane that souls, spirit and the conscience exist in. Take care, angel and all the other sacred angels of God. ======================================================================== Further to the above dialogue I quote below the statements of others regarding the Soul that I regard as true and accurate with the following exceptions: 1. the Soul is entirely different from the mind (psyche in Greek) which dies or ceases to grow after death; and 2. the body is not the tomb of the Soul. The Soul, being imperceptible to the ordinary senses (including mind), has eternal life, and enjoys its home in the body of its person in any one of its specific lives. In addition, I do not believe a human soul can return to any other creature than a human being. Plato in Cratylus speculates that the word daimōn (δαίμων "deity") is synonymous to daēmōn (δαήμων "knowing or wise")[6] Guthrie speaks of the (concept of the) mysterious "daimon" in man, immortal, suffering transmigration through many bodies, but in its pure essence divine, (which) survived in the curious combination of mathematical philosophy and religious mysticism which made up Pythagoreanism.[2] Socrates speaks of the Soul in the following extract: Glaucon, in the last book of the Republic (608d), is taken aback by Socrates' question, “Haven't you realized that our soul is immortal and never destroyed?” He looked at me with wonder and said: “No, by god, I haven't. Are you really in a position to assert that?” Moreover, apart from the question of immortality or otherwise, there is the further question whether the soul, if it does have some form of existence after the person has died, “still possesses some power and wisdom” (Phaedo, 70b; cf. 76c). Answering both questions, Socrates says not only that the soul is immortal, but also that it contemplates truths after its separation from the body at the time of death.[3] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Definitions of "daimon" and "tutelary deity" (Luxin says, "Yes, the eternal Soul does watch over its person, but it also has the capacity to teach things to the living that they wouldn't otherwise know.") Etymology, daimon (plural daimons) A modern romanization of Ancient Greek δαίμων (daímōn, “dispenser(1), tutelary deity”), intended to distinguish its ancient Greek sense from later conceptions of demons. Synonym of demon, particularly as (Greek mythology): A tutelary* deity or spirit that watches over a person or place. // * having the position of guardian or protector. (1) that gives out or radiates (? Hausa noun, diamond) tutelary deity (plural tutelary deities) (religion) A deity, usually minor, serving as a tutelary (guardian or supporter) for a place, person, group, or activity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Obeyesekere writes in "Karma and Rebirth" : Now let me pose a difficult and probably insoluble problem regarding the identity of the entity that gets reincarnated. If in other Greek thinkers the word for soul is psyche, not so for Empedocles, who uses that word only once, more or less as 'mind'. The critical word is daimon, although it seems that Empedocles is using the older Greek term in a very specific technical sense. Let me present two Empedoclean views of 'daimon' and then see whether they are reconcilable. Many later commentators, particularly Plutarch and Plotinus, have associated 'daimon' with the old idea of the soul. Following this tradition Charles Kahn has defined 'daimon' as the 'deified human soul', although he tries to divest the specific Neoplatonist notion of soul from that of Empedocles' more fluid concept. However, for Empedocles the 'soul' reincarnates in a variety of sentient forms; hence 'daimon' can be glossed more like the fluid Buddhist concept of the 'rebirth-seeking entity'. One might ask why Empedocles chose the word 'daimon', with its conventional Greek notions of being 'alive'. Here again the comparative material might help because we know that the 'rebirth-seeking entity' in Buddhism and the soul in some Amerindian societies (Inuit, for example) are endowed with some of the characteristics they possessed while on earth, indeed sometimes more refined than earthly characteristics. Empedocles' 'daimon' fuses the traditional Greek idea of psyche with that of 'daimon'; not so much a 'deified human soul' but a 'soul' possessing certain features of vision, consciousness and will.[4] Blavatsky writes, in The Pythagorean Science of Numbers: The esoteric students of Pythagoras were given the Mystery teachings in regard to the nature of the soul, its relation to the body and its ultimate destiny. Pythagoras taught that the soul of man is derived from the World-Soul; hence is immortal and cannot be destroyed by death. The soul of man, he said, accomplishes its evolution by means of numberless incarnations on earth. He frequently spoke to his pupils about their own former lives, and when asked about himself said that he had come into the region of mortality to benefit mankind. He also taught the doctrine of Karma, saying that all the seeming injustices on earth are explained by the fact that every life on earth is but a reward or punishment for deeds performed in previous lives.[5] ======================================================================== References. [1] Claudianus Mamertus was a Gallo-Roman theologian and the brother of St. Mamertus, Bishop of Vienne, d. about 473. Extract from paper by R. Ferwerda follows: "The Meaning of the Word [Gk word] (Body) in the Axial Age: An Interpretation of Plato's Cratylus 400c by R. Ferwerda" " ... A spark of the divine lives in every being and our goal in life should be the assimilation to God. In this view the body is not necessarily hostile to the soul. In fact there are Pythagorean sayings that the soul is the attunement of the body and that it is set in the body by means of number and an immortal and incorporeal harmony.14 The soul even loves the body, because, without it, it can make no use of the senses (Claudianus Mamertus, De Statu Animae II, 3 [p120]). Besides, it is a well-known tenet of Pythagorean doctrine that man should take good care of his body so as to make sure that his soul stays in a healthy place.15 This theory could hardly have been propounded by philosophers who contended that the body is the tomb of the soul." [2] "Guthrie speaks of the (concept of the) mysterious "daimon" in man...." A History of Greek Philosophy: Volume 1, The Earlier Presocratics and the Pythagoreans; W. K. C. Guthrie , William Keith Chambers Guthrie; Cambridge University Press (1978) p. 319 [3] "Socrates speaks of the Soul...." Ancient Theories of Soul by Hendrik Lorenz (2009) [4] "Obeyesekere writes...." Karma and Rebirth: A Cross Cultural Study by Gananath Obeyesekere, p 222 [5] "Blavatsky writes...." [6] "Plato in Cratylus speculates..." Wiki, Daemon (classical mythology) ======================================================================== Quotations Regarding the Soul. I am going out at one door, and I shall go in at another. (Baal Shem, q. M. Buber, Tales of the Hasidim) When the perfect man is ... near death, his knowledge increases mightily ... and his love for the object of his knowledge becomes more intense, and it is in this great delight that his soul separates from his body. (Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed, 1190, 3.51) It is only to the individual that a soul is given. And the high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than to rule. (Einstein, 1939, Out of my Later Years) If there were this life only, nothing could be more bitter. (Apocrypha: II Baruch, 21.13) All souls are prepared to eternity. (Apocrypha: II Enoch, 23.5) The righteous live forever. (Apocrypha: Wisdom of Solomon, 5.15) Jesus to Martha re her brother Lazarus's 'rising again' from the dead: 25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11.26-25) A soul, because of its heavenly origin, will no more be satisfied with worldly luxuries than a princess can be with a peasant for a husband, though he bring her everything on earth. (Hanina b. Isaac) The soul must not boast that it is more holy than the body, for only in that it has climbed down into the body and works through its limbs can the soul attain to its perfection. The body on the other hand, may not brag of supporting the soul, for when the soul leaves, the flesh falls into decay. (Buber, Tales of the Hasidim, 1947) We are corpse-bearers, the soul raising and carrying without toil the body ... And note, how strong the soul is. (Philo, Allegorical Interpretation, 3.22)

    Each one of us here on Earth is an Individualized Manifestation of the Very Source of All That Is!God is nothing but the Very Consciousness that pervades the entire Universe!!Your soul script or what all you will go through and what you will become is more or less decided before you are born, though many things are flexible and can be changed to a considerable extent based on the choices you make and the choices that others around you will make in your current life.Your soul script for the current life is decided by the sum total of experiences that you have had in your previous lives and the new lessons that your soul would want to go through in order to achieve a state of balance.The Real Purpose of Our Lives is to Have Blissful, Fulfilling, Enriching and Transformative Experiences. Our Soul Spirit needs these experiences and we keep reincarnating again and again until we have learnt all our lessons across the entire spectrum of experiences.As long as we don't learn our lessons and keep repeating the same mistakes, we will keep going through the same experiences.Then, once the state of contentment is achieved, the soul spirit will have a choice of either achieving Nirvana (Dis-individualization and merging back with Source/Universal Godhead) or to take Greater responsibility and move on to newer experiences in higher realms / dimensions / universes.Thus, everyday, Learn to Live it King Size, stop living it pint size as it comes. Develop a Zest for Life and start creating opportunities for yourself. Take ownership and stop blaming God, rather be thankful to God for granting you this infinite Gift of Human Life.It doesn't matter in what context you are born, in what family and settings you have grown up, know that this is how it was intended to be to enable you to have the required experience that your Soul seeks.In the process, different souls choose different paths, some choose dark/ service to self/ left hand path while other choose light/ service to others/ right hand path. There is no need to feel guilty about your past or present no matter what your background is because all will eventually merge and become One.Always remember that the potential for the Greatest Good and the Greatest God is Already present in each one of Us, All we need to do is to unravel ourselves to the inner most core to uncover the true nature of our own reality that has the Highest Purity, the Greatest and the Mightiest Power of God within it.Realize that each of our lives is invaluable and highly coveted, know that extra-terrestrials from far off stars desperately seek a human incarnation on Earth because this is where lessons are learnt. It is our planet that offers an environment for super fast learning and expedited evolution unlike anywhere else in the entire galaxy.The real evolution is that of the spirit and not the flesh, as our souls learn their lessons, the next birth may be in a more advanced body form in a different dimension commensurate with the settings needed for inculcating the next set of lessons on the souls incredible journey back to Godhead.The absolute truth is that the One Godhead (Paramatma) divided itself into infinite souls (Jeevatmas) so it could have infinite different experiences in infinite different ways.Life in this Universe is an endless pursuit of SAT-CHID-ANANDA. Sat (TRUTH) - Chid (KNOWLEDGE/WISDOM) and Ananda (BLISS/JOY/HAPPINESS).Everything is Science, Everything is Energy, Everything is God. There is no contradiction !What matters is to imbibe the Truth and accept your current state objectively and in a balanced manner. This way, we will be able to further advance the real purpose of our lives by contributing to the greater cause in whichever way we can and thus also serve the group consciousness (our soul families) in the most efficient manner.I searched for God everywhere, I only found myself !I searched for myself in everyone, I only found God !!
  3. Stating the Obvious

    Here's a little fun for Monday morning... Stating the Obvious We often hear the words “my body”. For example: “My body is fat”, or “I hate my body!”. Well, think about that? “My” body. Body is a possession, is it not? Hence the “my”. If that is so then who is the possessor? But it gets worse. We also hear “my mind”. For example: “My mind is sharp”, or “his mind is dull”, or “she has a good mind”. Also possessive. Also a possession. Who is the possessor? There’s more! We hear such phrases as “I want to save my soul”. Or we hear “he lost his soul to sin”. Is that right? “my” soul. “his” soul? Is soul also a possession? Who is the possessor? Who is the possessor?
  4. Cannabis and Qi

    Does anyone else feel that cannabis (marijuana) used in the correct way (emphasis on correct ) it allows you to channel and connect more with your Chi / Qi life force? Smokeable cannabis is from the female part of the herb and I think in men it rejuvanates Qi which women and children generally have more of, according to what I have read.
  5. Dark Night of the Soul

    Manitou used the words Dark night of the Soul referring to an experience the current pope went through. Its an interesting turn of phrase. My Aikido Sensei once said all the truly great martials artists went through some physical catastrophe which gave insight into how they could become extraordinary. I wonder if its the same with enlightenment through Dark Night of the Soul. You have to pass through it through some powerful loss before reaching the other side and gaining a bones deep understanding of the world, rather then merely intellectual. I know at least one person who credited there enlightenment with the loss of a parent. I've never suffered all that much, not really. So, its a phenomena I haven't experienced, for better or worse. I suppose many of you have. What triggered it, and how did it change you?
  6. I have felt that the two were more similar than different, but lately I am seeing very great differences. I think that the goal of the two religions in meditation is the same. The Taoists in the Secret of the Golden Flower, say that the ego can remain after the body dies. I think, although I am not sure, that Taoism like Buddhism believes in ending the cycle of rebirths. This would have to be implicit in the Golden Flower otherwise the ego, as the Taoists call it, would simply be reincarnated, which I do not believe is implied in the SGF. But I am feeling that the darma or dhamma of Buddhism is a stricter and more explicitly laid out program. I do not read in Buddhism of the channels, e.g., the Governor, Imperial, or Central channels that have such prominence in Taoism. The Buddhists speak of anatta, non-self, when they describe the sensifacient phenomena of the body. In other words, these are merely material phenomena and not indicative of a "self." But one unanswered question I have is that the pattern and combinations of these material sense events are unique to one person. Therefore when we say Mr. X is prone to headaches while Ms, Y is not, the aggregate of sense events one person has would seem to define a "self". I have not cracked the idea of non-self, either that the world has no self or that the body has no self. This seems like a contradiction of the Taoists and maybe the Tibetan Buddhists both of whom hold that there is some sort of consciousness or "ego" that separates from the physical body and that can be reincarnated or not. Theravada ideas on non-self may contradict Tibetan ones. But if there were no self, soul, ego or conscious entity of some sort, then it would be impossible to escape the cycle of rebirth because there would be nothing that was escaping it. Whether I should regard myself as a self or not is a mystery to me. Any clarification would be appreciated.
  7. What is the soul? Is that the most important question there is? Not what's out there, but what's inside us? Are we big brained apes creating rationalizations to soothe our fear of impending death and what is in truth a meaningless life? Or do we hold sparks of greater divinity within us? What theories do we hold? What proofs are there of them? Personally, as with most things, I sit on the fence. Simply not knowing, perhaps hoping, seeking some answers in silence, but I really don't know.
  8. Shen vs. Jing vs. Chi

    I've heard a little bit about this before but I didn't really understand it. What exactly is the difference between Shen, Jing, and Chi?