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I am largely ignoring the vaccine thread as it seems that their is mutual resentment and toxicity there or at least I assume so as I haven’t read most of it. But it brings up an interesting point and analogous comparison. Embodying principles of tolerance and coexistence in an interdependent world where some actions or inactions can lead to life and death. I am staunchly pro vegetarian/vegan/ethically sourced meat and animal products. It actually broke me in college facing the horror that is factory farming and realizing almost no one around me cared or understood my guilt, grief and despair surrounding it. I have had to largely resign myself to this tragic fact of life and yield to everyone around me usually willingly enabling and supporting such practices. I instantly saw the futility of going an evangelical crusade about it. However, if you don’t speak up, how does one improve the situation? I think what is essential is to work with people where they are, without condemning them self-righteously and indignantly, even as there potentially wrong views lead to what we see as immoral consequences. This takes a level of awareness, conscientiousness, compassion and emotional maturity. I have the firm agenda that factory farming is terribly unethical, and that not being selective in either refraining from eating meat or buying exclusively ethically sourced products are the only two options to living a fully just life. However I would like to open up a cautious, gentle dialogue on it to see if I can gain perspective and skillful means in trying to leave my modest dent on the world, while possibly seeing if I can persuade others who might not see it as such a big deal. I hope this thread doesn’t go wrong, and I hope some find it helpful. 🙏🏼