Shagrath

And please sinansencer when you succeed in your pursuit make another thread with the same name but without question mark, and share your knowledge and experience

Perhaps the dichotomies presented by posters here were true in the past, but i think here is a 3rd way and i think many people are living that lifestyle. You need to be cunning and wise at the least.

 

Look around for this type of thing: www.tropicalmba.com

Yes. Also somebody can sell some good MLM product that pays good. The thing is that there is no overnight success. Everything is time consuming. Lots of my friends are in MLM business, they had dream that they will work MLM next to their primary job but there is no time for that. MLM sounds great but still you have to advertise, to find connections, to pull the strings, go to conferences, etc. That is why I said it's better to get some diploma in some filed that is closely related to your primary interest, you will be more satisfied.

And I would highly recommend work of Stephen Kraus. Brilliant man guy who wrote exceptional books. Helped me a lot.

Come on guys seriously would a buddha or leonardo davinci think like this, ive done so much work with my beliefs ive seen definate things ive wanted come true due to belief, this isnt even about me, this is just pure psychology, belief creates reality, I have come up with some ideas but morepieguy and turtle shll if you want both I truly wish you also get both.

Siddhartha was born as a prince and later he became hobo, and learned from other wise hobos. Also Leonardo was born in very very wealthy family so from the start he could do whatever he likes without need to earn money. That was also the "problem" with Morihei Ueshiba. The only reason he could train entire day and later to come up with Aikido is because he could.

If you are not born in wealthy family you have two options. To live "materialistic" life or to live "spiritual" life. If you choose "materialistic" than finish some school, find a job, earn money and during your spare time learn and pursue your bliss and one day when you feel like it teach it to other people who are also interested in that same think but are few levels below you.

If you choose "spiritual" life. Become a hobo, or a monk, or buy few goats and cows and move to some mountain and meditate entire day.

If you see through history many rich people became saints or have awakened. Only because they had time. Only the rich people from Europe went on spiritual quest to Jerusalem, or Rome or wherever. They did not have to work every day for they food.

It's a tough world. I would really be happy to see you achieve what you desire, these are just my experiences.

Yes,...there are many theories,...theories arise from personal, relative experiences. Instead of looking at Yin/Yang from personal, relative experiences, it is better to observe Yin/Yang from Yin/Yangs point of view.

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This is a new way of viewing, but that's the learning Thank you very much.

Few months ago I talked to one Taoist priest and he said that everybody thinks that Earth is pulling (hence the gravity) but in pure taoist teachings Heaven is pushing and because of that everything is falling down toward earth

Can you please tell me is it not the Sun yang principle and representation of male and moon/earth yin principle and representation of female?

Do you recommend some literature?

Broken down further into the constituent parts we see either a yin action taking place or a yang one;

 

Diaphragm descending is yang

Perineum firming is yang

How is that? In every book about comparison of yin and yang qualities they state that lowering is yin and ascending is yang. So in this case it means that descending of diaphragm is yin but at the same time lowering of diaphragm is making it more tense which is yang. And opposite ascension of diaphragm is yang but in that position it is more relaxed which is yin.

So in reverse abdominal breathing, we have all of the structures performing yang phase at once then yin phase at once. Coherently arranged they result in higher amplitude...

 

whereas with natural abdominal breathing, we have on inhale

diaphragm yang, perineum yin, abdomen yin, back yin, lungs ~yang;

exhaling,

diaphragm yin, perineum yang, abdomen, back, sides, all yang, lungs, yin.

 

a good balance.

I understand that point of view on breathing. I read in books of Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming, Jerry Alan Johnson and some others. But the thing is that taoist views are opposite then buddhist or hindu views. I didn't find any definitive explanation of breathing process. Even one tai chi really good master that is considered to be national treasure said that the strongest practice for developing lower dan tien is just plain abdominal breathing with some visualizations and he even said that every other breathing technique is just selling snake oil.

Maybe there is really none fixed explanation for this, so we can only say more yang or more yin looking from some specific point of view (physical level, mind, energy, physiology, etc).

There's a lot of that in tai chi stuff

Could you please give me the names of some good books that cover entirely that topic? I have read a lot of tai chi material and never encounter breathing explained in such a detail that leaves me satisfied

First of all MERRY CHRISTMAS FELLOW BUMS

There are lot of different theories about breathing. I hope that you we can make them clearer and understand them better.

Some authors say that inhale is yin and exhale is yang. On the other hand there are authors who claim opposite, that inhale is yang and exhale is yin. Both of them make perfect sense to me, it all depends on angle of looking at the same process.

INHALE IS YIN EXHALE IS YANG

- on inhale we draw energy in

- on exhale energy is led out

- exhale leads to energy dispersion

- we are stronger when we exhale (punch, kick, lifting, pulling). we can perform better and stronger all yang activities with proper exhalation.

- reverse breathing. creating physical yin/yang environment during inhale and exhale

INHALE IS YANG, EXHALE IS YIN

- birth is yang death is yin. when we are born we have our first inhale, when we die we have our last exhale

- oxygen is yang, carbon-dioxide is yin. when we inhale we bring oxygen in

- when we are sleepy (yin) we yawn because of lack of the oxygen in our brain. so we have unconscious reaction for deep inhales to oxygenate or body to become more yang

- on inhalation lung and chest expands (yang), on exhalation everything compresses (yin)

- dense is yin, hollow is yang. lung are yin organ but when we inhale they become more hollow (yin)

- buddhists and yogis have most of their breathing exercises with longer exhalations. they say that the mind calms with exhalation, and becomes more restless with longer inhalation

- full yogic breath has the theory as chinese reverse breathing. they consider inhale to be yang and exhale yin. so when you inhale you expand your abdomen, chest and clavicles making everything yang, and then you exhale and contract and compress everything making it yin

The way I see it there is no definite way of categorizing the breathing processes. Like everything else in this world there is no definite yin or yang, just yin or yang compared to something. We could say that inhale is yang and exhale is yin when observing the physiological processes and in breath influence to mind. Furthermore we can also say the opposite (inhale is yin, exhale is yang) when looking the dynamics of energy in a body.

Any more thoughts or constructive information on this topic?

PS: please keep the posts constructive without arguing

Unfortunately you are right :|

WELCOME and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TOO

Are you looking for living master?

Mooji is living teacher of advaita vedanda. He is the student of Papaji who was a direct disciple of Ramana Maharshi. I have never saw him but lots of people I know are very impressed with him and his presence

Personally I like Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj more then any other teacher. He definitely has the most condense and clear teaching compared with other teachers. He is not better but the most direct teacher.

Next to Nisargadatta and Ramana there are also Sri Auribindo and Swami Vivekananda. You can also take a look into works of Paramahamsa Yogananda, Swami Satyananda Saraswati, Meher Baba,...

Good quote. And it raises an interesting question that I've thinking without definite answer: can I really kill a person without permission from God?

 

Meaning, If it's not time for that person to die, I can't kill him. Something might happen to prevent the killing: my mind was changed by "miracle", the gun jamed or someone push me to ground.

 

My current thinking is that I could possiblly kill some person, but not every one I pick. The unseen law is like gravity: I can decide to go straight, left or right, but I can't go up in to the air or down under the ground.

For killing and being murdered I would say the opposite. You won't die unless it your time. So if you are being killed in accident or on purpose it was your karma.

 

Searching for your own immortality is dangerous one. I guess if the real intention is love of your own life is OK. But if the real motive is fear of death is very very bad.

 

You can't lie in the void.

Your point is very interesting. Its just like in Star Wars. Jedi only work on being united with Force, they don't have fear of anything especially from dying and they reach immortality. On the other hand you have Sith, who search only for power they say that they are fearless but they are afraid of dying and are on constant search for immortality yet nobody ever reaches it

I agree with you in principle. However I think you forgot to add some ajectives with these judgement calls: killing, taking drugs and drinking.

 

Did you mean killing innocent people, taking drugs and dirnking to your heath detriment?

 

In this thread, someone said love and peace. I'd like to add another one: tolerance.

 

Without tolerance, there won't be peace. The real tolerance comes from love. So basically "all you need is love". I do love that song.

 

Have a happy life. If you're not happy, the whole world is sad.

Nicely said. And like you said tolerance is just manifestation of love. BTW by love I mean Absolute Love, the highest state of consciousness.

What I meant with killing and drinking were just examples. Your essence can not be disturbed by anything. But the problem is that if you do a lot of destructive (not negative) deeds in your life you won't succeed in awakening your mind to be conscious of you essence.

On the other hand if you become fully conscious of your essence/emptiness/God you will not find any deed as destructive you will see it just as a process. As in Bhagavad Gita Krishna says (I am paraphrasing): If you think you can kill somebody and somebody can die you don't know the ultimate truth. That is because you are just ending the manifestation process, you cannot kill something that is eternal (our essence). But until that level of awareness we should be careful about our deeds and thought and emotions and try to live virtuous life.

CLOCKWISE:

- Yang

- constitution of energy (when someone has energy deficiency in some organ we treat it with hand clockwise rotation)

- bringing in new fresh energy

COUNTER-CLOCKWISE:

- Yin

- dispersion of energy (when someone has energy excess in some organ we treat it with hand counter-clockwise rotation)

- taking out old toxic energy

OH! You have a long term plan for this thread, I didn't know. I'm sorry for interrupting.

You're welcome. This is one of the best things I have read in loooong time

Keep them (posts) coming

Thank you very much for the thread and all the posts. They are gold

Chen Xiaowang(陳小旺): He is a Tai Ji Master which says all.

Advantages:

1. He has good stance to anchor himself to the ground.

2. He holds his vertical to maintain his chi sinking to the dantian to sustain for the generation of Jin.

3. He is shorter which allows him to have his shoulder to go against the chest of the opponent for leverage.

4. He used Chi Kung to sustain his execution of his Jin.

 

Disadvantages:

1. His opponent was using full throttle against him to deplete his Jin which was making him work much harder to win.

Does this mean that even once you master energy and develop strong jin, you don't have it in abundance? It can be depleted?

THX

hmm yeah I heard that too. Can you enlighten me on the topic of enlightenment? Please give me some good sutras, books, ect.

Sure

Read Siddhartha from Hesse, Mustard Seed from Osho, anything from Nisargadatta, Ramana Maharshi and Bhagavad Gita (when you read that book most people identify with Arjuna but crucial part is that you read the book through the eyes of Krisna, the the book has the most potential when you realize that Krisna's words are your Truth).

There are many many models of enlightenment, the non dual model is probably the most widely accepted model.

The models of enlightenment? There is only one enlightenment. Even nirvana is not enlightenment, it is much lower state.

Your Ego has to die in order for you to become immortal.

Read I AM THAT from Nisargadatta Maharaj and SIDDHARTHA from Hermann Hesse.

There are a few members here who I hold in very high regard, and I make sure to listen when these folks speak. On the other hand, there are quite a few people here who unfortunately, metaphorically speaking, are "full of it". There are certain members here who I do not even bother reading posts from.

 

Oh, XYZ posted? Scroll right on down.

 

Oh, he's the latest poster on a certain thread? Not time to check that thread yet.

 

It's a necessary skill to have in the world of the internet, because any nine year old with a net connection, or even a con man, can pretend to be someone he's not. It happens all the time. Just learn to recognize the signs and act accordingly.

KUDOS

Indeed! The most terrifying thing about the void for the individual, I think, is how intimate it is. It makes the time we spend in silent appreciation of it all the more important. Peace and love, two of the very few things we can rely on in this world, always with us. What greater truth could there be but that, right? it always leaves me grateful for what little I do have, and those I can share it with. We are all united in the great sameness, and it is in our apparent differences that we can recognize life's great compassion.

Absolutely

The more I meditate and go into that state the more grateful I am for that. Like you said (above bold part) there no distinction between you and entire Universe. You see yourself in others and other in you.

The possibility of our mind to go into that state and to realize the our true Source is the greatest power man possesses.

Have you ever read the book 'The Mind of Clover: Essays in Zen Buddhist Ethics'?

 

No?

 

Its ok, i havent either.

 

But there's a meaningful quote in there somewhere which says, "The absolute position, when isolated, omits human details completely. Doctrines, including Buddhism, are meant to be used. Beware of them taking life of their own, for then, they use us."

 

I just thought this was almost appropriate to post here in light of what you had said.

 

Dont mean to be rude, but i'd like to add one more quote which really touched me deeply, and would like to post here since its also quite relevant to your comment.

 

"There are no moral absolutes in Buddhism and it is recognized that ethical decision-making involves a complex nexus of causes and conditions. 'Buddhism' encompasses a wide spectrum of beliefs and practices, and the canonical scriptures leave room for a range of interpretations. All of these are grounded in a theory of intentionality, and individuals are encouraged to always analyze issues carefully for themselves... When making moral choices, individuals are advised to examine their motivation -- whether aversion, attachment, ignorance, wisdom, or compassion -- and to weigh the consequences of their actions in light of the Buddha's teachings."

------ Karma Lekshe Tsomo, Professor of theology and Buddhist nun.

 

One who rises to meet the higher evolution of pure spiritual progress will naturally spawn goodness. There is no other way, no grey areas, no what ifs. Its what's in one's heart that matters, where actions are concerned. The Chinese have a saying, "Your heart knows".

 

How does it know? It knows because that which is essentially pure within, since beginningless time, speaks of righteous intentions always, and only thru the heart is this heard.

 

Of course, some would rather choose to ignore this, and act in misaligned ways, contrary to conscience and appropriate conduct.

 

Yet, those who act negatively are, in essence, no sinner, nor those who act with pure intentions saints.

 

I remember what St Augustine said in this regard.... "Once and for all then, a short precept is given unto you: Love, and do what you will: whether you hold your peace, thru love you hold your peace; whether you cry out, thru love cry out; whether you correct, thru love correct; whether you spare, thru love do you spare: let the root of love be within, for of this root can nothing spring but what is good."

No I haven't read that book. Thank you for recommendation

You said it really nicely I agree with every word you said. My teacher always said on this subject the following How many enlightened Buddhist are there? The same amount as enlightened bakers.

The deeds are not crucial to spiritual awakening, inner state and transcendence of Ego is. The are indeed few known individuals throughout history that have realized the Truth and yet they were soldiers and killed people.

I didn't want to bring that up because it can be easily misunderstood, and I don't like arguing

The path toward enlightenment is not universal path. There are as many spiritual paths as many living people. I think that most people who follow some practices (buddhism, taoism, christianity, zen, etc) are blinded. Instead I think you should spend time discovering the truth for yourself and find your own way. All those religions and practices are beautiful and really rich with knowledge and I really like reading them. I always try to see what is behind the words and it is the Truth. It is the same for every religion. There is one Truth but many interpretations (religions).

I didn't want to bring that up because it can be easily misunderstood, and I don't like arguing

I wasn't referring to the rest of your post, or even really your post at all, because I agreed with what you were saying. I was not attempting to correct you on anything. sorry for offending you.

 

My you in that post was impersonal. I wasn't talking about you, just in general a state of mind that tends to pop up when it comes to emptiness (as you said) I was only expounding on the point you were making, because it was so important and potentially life (and sanity) threatening when it comes to practice, not disagreeing with you. I sometimes forget that most people do not see things as clinically as I do. Once again, apologies. Edited for clarity.

I am really glad that we agree It's really hard to find like minded individuals.

The point I was making that absolutely anything you do your essence stays the same because it is constant and changeless. On the other hand our mind is not, it is prone to changes and deviations. If somebody wants to commit their life for searching for the truth they must regulate as you said both internal and external "blockages".

But again searching for truth is BIG internal block because there is nothing to search for

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Actually, the basis of mind is already empty.

 

Even if one is flooded with incessant thoughts, this in no way stains the essence of the mind, which is primordially empty.

Essentially you are right. That is very true what you are saying in essence of mind origin. I agree with you on that 100%, but it is non constructive way of thinking.

If you state that than we can go further and say that our original essence is emptiness/dao and no matter what you do in life you are never gonna stain the essence. So whats the point of even trying, when you can live your life killing, taking drugs, drinking, etc and you are not gonna stain our primordial emptiness.

While that being truth, our quest is to become fully aware of that state and be able to consciously be in that state.