Kundanoobalini

I would say that if the kriyas seem to be of an intelligent agent besides yourself, then it is kundalini, if not - if it is merely subtle unconscious stuff arising, then it is pranotthana. If you start hearing voices, chanting, your lips start making words, singing, your fingers start making traditional mudras or complex movements, etc. your kundalini is awake and alive. At this point you are on cloud nine! Even if you are in the Dark Night of the Soul, you are golden, because you now have an intelligent guide who will be with you until the end. Congratulations, my friend...you are now a person of interest.

Then it seems I may have Kundalini, it made me say words I don't understand and make weird sounds. Also mudras have come naturally, especially one where my hands press towards each other at the fingertips.

By "intelligent guide" do you mean intelligent like how nature work or actual sentience? I feel that this energy know my body much better than I do, but still there is something mechanical and impersonal about the process as well.

Maybe we're not supposed to know?

Pranotthana is what most people erroneously call kundalini.

 

Someone gets shaktipat, reiki, or smokes some DMT, etc.. then feel some energy move, and think they now have a legitimate kundalini experence, which they do not.

 

They surf the internet matching their symptoms and fall prey to the P.T.Barnum truth:

http://thetaobums.com/topic/30832-sufi-pt-barnum-said-it-best/

 

Despite what the internet says, LEGITIMATE Kundalini is quite rare.

The internet sites would have you believe that everyone and their neighbor is now poppping off with kundalini.

There would be a lot of enlightened people around you.

Take a look around you next time you are at Walmart or the Mall, then rethink this.

Read the news, humanity is at their worse behavior.

 

A REAL kundalini awakening will happen when it is the proper time for awakening. Forcing it, and getting ahead too fast, is what causes problems. Nature and evolution has it's own safety mechanism. if you bypass it and push, then problems come about.

 

Fear is a good salesman, and it worked well in all world rleigions.

Requiring a mediator so that you are safe, is not necessary.

I had a Kundalini awakening several decades ago, and it all worked out fine, without gurus, swamis, and I saved a lot of money too.

 

If you have problems, ask them here, for free.

There are many people here who will help you for free.

 

I, being one of them.

Hey SonofGods, thank you for response

These are the symptoms that I have experienced tha last years:

-Spontaneous\atomatic body movements,

-Spontaneous\atomatic yoga movements

-Spontaneous\atomatic acupressure or tapping\hitting on sore points all over my body, i think it's trying to force energy along

merdian lines

-Spontaneous\automatic making weird noises

-Spontaneous\automatic cracking joints

-Spontaneous\automatic mudras

-Spontaneous\automatic mudras rubbing nails together

-Spontaneous\automatic breathing patterns or pranayama

-Spontaneous\automatic rolling of eyes and\or tongue movement

-Feeling strong pressure around the lover belly area

-Mood swings, not that often and dramatic, but indeed noticable

-Pressure inside skull, as if my brain is trying to change it's size.

-Increased interest in religions and spritual matters

-Seeing different lights, as mentioned earlier, like many stars, and orbs and circles of different colours inside my mind. I also tend to see some white "prana sparks" when the sky is blue.

-A few times I have experienced that energy has come all the way up to my head and knocked me out for some seconds. It sounds weird but it felt good.

-Shifts in sex-drive, horny as **** one day, and indifferent to sex the next day.

-These days I find myself doing spontaneous acupuncture, I have an urge to stick needles on points on my body that seem to correspond with meridian lines.

I wonder if this is Kundalini or pranotthana. For me as a working man who may want to start a family one day I want to have somewhat control of the process.

Thanks again to everyone who replied here.

Thank you all for your replies and helping a Noob out! This is gold for someone like me who wants to make an informed decision on what to do further..

The Pranotthana thing was news to me. Is there way to know the difference between Kundalini Awakening and Pranotthana?

Will the Pranotthana eventually stop or will it always progress to Kundalini Activation?

Hello dear Bums

I have had an unintended active Kundalini since January 2010 and gone through about 1500 hours for letting all kinds of kriyas occur naturally. The process has been very fascinating and challenging, but I don't seem to have changed much on a deeper level. I'm still the same person I was before the awakening. I have gone through some heavy mood swings but I don't feel any more overall calmness, happyness or deeper connection to anything.

Isn't all the kriyas supposed to clear mental and emotional blockages? Does it take way more time?

I have read that a Kundalini awakening can be a waste of time without proper cultivation, but on the other hand many also say it's dangerous to proceed with further sprititual practices? I tried some deep meditation and that seem to stir up some bad emotions, should I proceed or is there better and safer ways and methods for cultivation? I work a full time job so I don't have much time study and test everything. I would love to be able to live a relatively normal life while gaining some of the benefits of Kundalini, if that is even possible. I feel that my nervous system is a little messed up and that I have some old resentment that should be dealt with. Any good practices to handle that?

Is KAP legit btw?

I'm a little on the egde right now so excuse all the noob questions that have been floating in my head for the last days. Any tips and suggestions is very appreciated.

Here is another update for those who may still be interested

I have kept to the about 2-hour shaking sessions every day, though now they are more like

spontaneous tai chi, yoga and advanced stretching exersizes - then actual shaking.

Still I let the body decide what it wants to, even if it wants to me to absurds thing like standing on my head

There have been both some positive and some negative symptoms accuring.

I'll start with the negative

*I noticed that this process at times stirr up old memories and unpleasant feelings like anger,

For example, a couple of days I was really mad about some insignificant stuff that happened

years ago. when this occur I try to just take it for what it is, feel and recognize the anger without

acting upon it.

*Another noticeable bad kundalini side effect is my nervous system being a bit over-senstive.

Often making my entire body or certain muscles twitch by over-reacting to low or sudden noises\movements.

Combined with living in a city with heavy traffic this often disturb my sleep quality, either waking me up or keeping

me awake.

If anyone has some tips on how to calm down the nervous system during kundalini activation

I would be gratefull.

As for positive things:

*The stretching is making my body way more flexible than it ever was, and the

body feels lighter.

*All the various movements has burned off a some deadweight body-fat.

Kundalini is actually providing a great work-out!

*moments of deep inner calmness after a session, too bad they don't last very long.

Besides the physical symptoms there is also the mental stuff , I find myself examining my

core beliefs and moral values more often than usual. Spiritual question like whats the purpose of life may also occur.

Though, the most mind boggling question currently is "what is really going on here? " - what is

this force that drive my body into all these positions and doing this stuff? What kind of consciousness are we

dealing with?

Is it a good force?

http://awakening.phoenixtools.org/?p=50

Or is it an evil force?

http://www.thejinn.net/truth_about_spontaneous_chi.htm

I think that probably depends on the mind of the person involved.

Either way, It seems no one really knows what kundalini is, that's kind of scary yet intriguing.

Feel free to offer insights or your opinions on this.

Aight, here is a little update for those who are interested.

For the last weeks I've been doing a 2 hour Shaking session everyday.

During this I just let the Kundalini take control of the body with the intent to shake loose stuck energy.

It is quite amazing, like having a built in yoga\martial arts coach!

The moment I let go of my body it spontaneously starts to shake all my limbs violenty.

At first it seems like random spastic movements from a madman,

but it actually puts exactly right strain and pressure to the joints and muscles where it's needed.

Further on it automaticly stretches the muscles as it knows precicely where there is tension and blocked energy.

It's remarkable yet it still feel very natural all the way trough, like stretching after waking up.

Sometimes when certain limbs are stretched my mood instantly changes - either to sad, angry or blissfull.

This is probably my repressed emotions being released.

At times my body is even starting to kick and punch in the air as if I was possessed by Mr Myiagi's ghost!

The most mind-baffling thing however, that has happened during a kundalini induced shaking session was that I instantly got on my knees, formed a triangle mudra with my fingers and placed it over my right eye. Like I was seeing trough the triangle like the all seeing eye. All I could think was "WTF im doing here?". If someone knows the purpose of this kriya please let me know!

So, incredible thing are happening indeed, yet they somehow feel they are all completely natural, except that triangle thing

I think this is an interesting read in that regard:

http://replenishyoursoul.com/blog/meditation/

Shaking is apparently healthy for mind and body, animals and the Kundalini (whatever that it really is) certainly knows that!

Here is another interesting testimony btw:

http://www.imagerynet.com/book/excerpts/kundalini.html

At the end there was a great visiualisation technique:

Redirecting Obstructed Energy

Close your eyes and relax. Slowly become aware of the flow of energy within your body. The energy may be a powerful current. At other times, it may be almost imperceptible. The energy may seem to flow from toe to head, head to toe, or from the center on out.

Identify the flow of energy. Let's say, for example, that you feel energy moving from your toes up to your head. In your mind, follow the flow of energy. If you perceive any blockage in the energy, imagine that there is a door at that point. Open the door and explore the room that lies behind it. Make whatever adjustments that are necessary in order to allow the energy to flow through the room, and then allow it to continue on its upward course.

An infinite array of graphics may appear in the blocked rooms. People from the past, who have been our tormentors, often appear in the blocked rooms. Perhaps a room will be filled with memories. If you don't know how to handle the people, places, things, or symbols that appear in the blocked room, invite your chosen form of God to appear in that room with you. Ask God for advice as to how to deal with the obstruction.

Sidenote: Instead of rooms, I imagine closed doors or gates as mental obstacles, they will have locks, chains or bars in front them.

I then visualize that im opening the doors\gates by breaking the locks, bending the bars, unlocking with a key etc.

I tried this when I was at the gym and it gave me an amazing power boost!

Have a good day bums.

Thanks again good bums! I will try the shaking practice, it seems like fun.

Once Its reached the top, giving you an experience of cosmic consciousness, and yes, moments of omnicience, everything changes

Has anyone here actually experienced that? It sounds incredible.

http://1stholistic.c...n_tao_orbit.htm

 

Can't paste the diagram but this is self-explanatory.

Enjoy.

Thanks a lot for that, I will definately check that out.

It seems there are many different interpretations of the kundalini phenomena, no wonder people end up in mental hospitals

.........

Best tip I'd say might be...

Don't do it.

But good luck if you decide to carry on.

QiGong'll get you there and maybe even further plus it's far safer too. Then again I would say that cos I teach it.

Hmm, you say that as if I had a choice.

As far as I can tell from what I read sofar about kundalini - is that it can't be turned off once it's activated.

Is this false?

I'll look more into QiGong though.

Uncontrolled symptoms stopped a few years ago. But, the energy grows as clarity grows. Overall, my experience has been very positive.

 

Thats re-assuring and encouraging to hear!

Once again, thanks to yall for taking time to share your experiences.

Welcome to the Taobums, dude!

To be able to better understand what's going on energeticly in your body and to be able to give you some useful advice, could you first please elaborate what kind of symptoms you have exactly?

Thank you!

Thanks for the welcome!

Now, going back to around spring 2010, I have experienced the following:

-Spontaneous\atomatic body movements,

-Spontaneous\atomatic yoga movements

-Spontaneous\atomatic acupressure or tapping\hitting on sore points all over my body, i think it's trying to force energy along

merdian lines

-Spontaneous\automatic making weird noises

-Spontaneous\automatic cracking joints

-Spontaneous\automatic mudras

-Spontaneous\automatic mudras rubbing nails together

-Spontaneous\automatic breathing patterns or pranayama

-Spontaneous\automatic rolling of eyes and\or tongue movement

-Feeling strong pressure around the lover belly area

-Mood swings, not that often and dramatic, but indeed noticable

-Pressure inside skull, as if my brain is trying to change it's size.

-Increased interest in religions and spritual matters

-Seeing different lights, as mentioned earlier, like many stars, and orbs and circles of different colours inside my mind. I also tend to see some white "prana sparks" when the sky is blue.

-A few times I have experienced that energy has come all the way up to my head and knocked me out for some seconds. It sounds weird but it felt good.

-Shifts in sex-drive, horny as **** one day, and indifferent to sex the next day.

Thats what I remember for now.. so im pretty convinced it's kundalini. So far without any real bad stuff.

Besides from these symptoms I experience little change in my personality, so im wondering if am supposed to do something

to help the process along or just relax into it and let it do its thing.

Beware Kundalini psychosis. Some symptoms described here sound somewhat similar to what's in the medical journals.

The 'mind' consciously willing towards manifestation of these episodes is what is potentially most at risk. Sharing such praxes could be akin to 'folie a deux' [look it up] .

Taoist Qi cultivation could not be further from what is being discussed here.

Each to their own, but do be very careful guys.

Thanks for the warning, if you have any tips, safety precautions or methods to avoid kundalininsanity to share - it would be most appreciated. As for the 'folie a deux' - I wonder if all the scary stories about kundalini awakenings can contribute to make things worse also? I do try to keep my mind in check regardless.

Anamatva: The darshan experience sounds like some pretty intense stuff!

It's great that something good came from it.

I have been seing different lights like many stars, and orbs and circles of different colours inside my mind, but I never got any deeper meaning from them.

I also tend to see some "prana sparks" when the sky is blue.

I can also let the kriyas come at will, though I feel like the energy needs to be released. Kindoff like the need to go to the bathroom, you can hold it off, but not for too long

Karma is another thing that sounds a little woo-ey to me, but I will not dismiss it entirely.

I tried searching for "shaking practice" but didnt find much, do you have a link?

Sounds like something I should try.

I am not that familiar with Tolle's stuff, so I don't know how my comments compare. Also, on "ego death", it depends on how you define the ego. You still do things and make decisions, but there is increasingly less "ego prejudice". Less of things like irritation or anger clouding judgement. Make a decision and move forward, no real second guessing.

 

On length of time, it depends on how you define Kundalini and how you define "done". But, in general, the concept of "done" is a choice. I continue to be curious and watch the mystery unfold (so... No done for me...).

 

That sounds good, irritation or anger is mostly useless. Though anger could be used to fuel motivation in some cases.

What I meant by "done" was occurence of physical and mental symptoms, kriyas, energy surges etc. Those are the factors that worry me a little after reading all the warnings and stories.

you're welcome.

 

yes my kundalini is alive and well i had a near death experience that jolted me awake almost 15 years ago, but didn't know til a short while ago much about kundalini or why i was having spontaneous jolts or mystical and psychic experiences. I just thought i was psychic and that went along with being crazy. So i am glad to help anyone who is dealing with that energy to figure out what is going on and try to manage it, since my experience was so completely chaotic and terrifying

Went along with being crazy... lol.

15 years, thats quite some time. I have experienced the symptoms for like 2 years and thought THAT was a long time.

So you are still undergoing the process? Are you letting the energy just run its course and do it's thing?

LOL i don't personally like to use the language of "cosmic" self or self with a capital S, which does sound woowoo from a certain point of view. Its just how a lot of yogic thought tends to put it, so i just adopt that language sometimes. Personally i would say that the idea of self as separate from anything else just gradually falls away and one is left with the experience of identifying with all-that-is (i am THAT) or with ones own suchness or buddha-nature, or with nothing at all, or with the dao, etc. It really depends upon one's indoctrination and practices what they will find when they leave their small idea of self behind, if you ask me. I lean towards the idea of not trying to label it myself, so all those words are only useful to a point then you have to leave them behind and just rest in the beauty of the moment, beyond discursive thoughts and labels/judgements etc. There are people from all paths and faiths who accomplish that, so its not really limited in a sectarian sense.

 

I had the same experience with KAP (asked some questions, got no response) i guess those guys are busy.

Thanks for elaborating I really appreciate you guys explaining your views and experiences on kundalini, as it is a really

mystical and heavy topic to grasp

Did you undergo an awakening yourself btw?

Yes, I have been going through the Kundalini process for a long time. But, rather than an "energy process", it is more that as obstructions are released, the energy flows more freely. The energy is always there, but one tends to notice it more easily as it "rubs up against" issues.

 

Suppression is avoidance and does not work. It is more about letting go. The key is staying focused in the moment. Focused in the moment one can "see" things like anger. The "ego" is more like an autopilot responding to the past or worrying about the future. Truly being in the present...things like desires, just naturally drop. The more you open and let go, the greater the energy.

 

Hmm, this sound like some Tolle stuff. I can agree about the "living in the moment" part and that one should not be bound by ego. However, I can't imagine living without an ego either, I truly belive that it's part of human nature to struggle for survival and supremacy, as that drives the whole life process itself further. I can't seem to place kundalini in the context of the seemingly indifferent mechanisms of evolution. Though as im experiencing it myself I cant deny it either, a littel scary, yet very fascinating at the same time. Thanks for your thoughts on the subject.

By the way, how long have you been experiencing Kundalini? Do you consider yourself "done" with it?

kundalini induced double-post

as the kundalini acts in the body, many people report (over the course of years) that the individual self and the cosmic Self merge, like a drop of water that is poured into the ocean and becomes one with it. The individual self is what people commonly mean by "ego" so i hope that answers your question.

 

suppressing thoughts and traits can be counterproductive. Be who you are... as Mark Griffin said, "don't be spiritual..... you'll look silly. Just be a person" ...just be yourself in a natural way, and as the light of the kundalini acts in your body energy and mind you will naturally evolve towards awakenment and liberation.

 

i think the best thing to do is just meditate every day, develop a spiritual practice based on Mark Griffin's Deepen Your Practice program, Swami Satyananda Saraswati or Sivananda's kundalini yoga, Yogi Bijhan's kundalini yoga classes, which can be found in a surprising number of places, or Glenn Morris' Kundalini Awakening Program, which a lot of people here can help you connect with. But establish a practice and work with raising and cycling that energy every day, it will help it not be so chaotic and spastic

Great reply, thanks.

The merging with cosmic thing sounds a little woo-woo to me, I guess this has to be experienced to somewhat comprehend meaning of.

I tried asking the KAP-guys some questions by email but never got any response, don't how serious they are.

Pretty good site you have found. As you said, the integration starts in the body, but ultimately expands to integration with all existence. The energy just highlights your own issues/obstructions. If you can let them go, it is a wonderful experience, if not... Very difficult.

 

Yes, I think that site gives a good general overview of the Kundalini mythology.

Have you went trough Kundalini awakening?

One thing im confused about is kundalini process vs the ego.

Is one supposed to supress personal desires, thoughts, wishes, traits, etc in order for this cosmic energy

to flow better in the energy body? I don't quite understand the purpose of this.

I found this link to be informative, if anyone else is looking for info:

https://sites.google.com/site/kundalinisupport/kundalini-questions

So basicly kundalini is the primary energy in the universe, activated in the human body to integrate itself?

Resisting or trying to manipulate it is dangerous?

i recommend reading muktananda's "Play of Consciousness" and lilian silburns "Kundalini - Energy of the Depths"

 

if you really woke your kundalini up, read some of the threads here about it to get some idea of things. I recommend searching for "kundalini awakening" and "shaking practice" personally, but you'll get some ideas as you dig through the conversations here

 

theres been a lot said already, but in short and basic terms, there are some initial difficulties for most people, and some longterm effects that are pretty wonderful, to put it mildly.

 

Best wishes to you

Thanks for that

I intend to read up some more knowledge about kundalini, though I find people's real experiences and results more usefull than theory.

I have checked out some threads here, lot's of interesting stuff. that's why I registered here.

fwiw, there is a thread that just started called "Nei gong induced psychosis! Please help." that seems awful relevant.

That was interesting, thanks.

Be very very careful with kundalini awakening. I was hospitalled twice due to unrully kundalini awakening.

 

The world is a like a reality TV that I can switch channel to see different view of the same thing. I could make thing appear and disapear (only I could see the result unfortunately).

 

I'd suggest you to open your energy channel to ground you first before playing kundalini force.

Not to be rude, but are you sure that making things appear\disappear - that only you could see - wasnt your mind playing tricks on you?

I am trying to be careful, thats why am asking these questions. I wasnt "playing around" with kundalini, it awakened unintenionally. Now I have to deal with it and hopefully not end up in a mental institution, though I got the impresson that's the rare cases? Or im I wrong? My mental and body health is first priority here. Thanks for the warning.

Why are skeptics never skeptic about their own skepticism?

 

Welcome

Thanks! I can assure you that im sceptic of all my beliefs, including the sceptic ones!

Im coming from a strictly materialistic basis, but not locked into it.