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It's just a theory that I haven't prooved that.

 

I believe everything is "created" by mind initially. The mind creat things by intention, belief (construction of mind as well), emotion (construction of mind too) and time (another product of mind).

 

If you like a myth, you can think about it alot and believe in the story, you might be able to visit it during dreams or astral travel. If enough people like your idea, they contribute their minds, the story may become reality.

 

Just one of my theory.

 

 

Oh... well... I kind of agree..

 

in Dionisus myth his Mothers dies, and every woman that he gets involved dies also, so he eventually is forced to interiorise his own female, become a kind of hermafrodite.

 

well... my mother passed away when I was a young boy, and I had to split up wih my last girlfriend because I had a sinister feeling that if I stayed with her, she would die...

 

but i Don't know if it is just psychological stuff or if it would really happen... any way, I did not risk it.. but ii really loved her, and still do.

Sorry, I made a typo error. What you did was part of taoist training. It's better to embrace your own sexuality than deny it. Tao is about going back to "nature". What is our "nature". I believe it's encoded in our DNA. If we develop our charactor, live our life or write our story in line with our DNA, we'll be in tao. Since everyone has different DNA, it's natural to have different manifestation. But the essence of tao is the same.

 

Those myth sounds fascinating. Do yo like to make them your reality?

 

 

Oh. ok.. hehe

 

what do you mean by make them my reality?

 

I would interpret that the dilaceration and chopping od Diunisus means the fragmentation of an incomplete pesonality, and the penis left out represents the possibility of reintegration through the Libido and Sexuality (kundalini ?)

I think I should plan a visit to your city. Where is it?

 

What you did with your sexual urge was not part of some taoist training. The Secret of the Golden flower described how to utilize the sex energy.

 

 

heheheh

 

Ouro Preto, Brasil

 

oh, about my sexual urge, i don`t know if there is any practice saying anything about it, but I just practices the Vipassana equanimity and qigong Song - relaxation, and the feeling on my penis backed-up and became a cozy warm feeling on my body, and a feeling of light heartedness as if my heart were dissolving.

 

when i went to sleep i felt the same feeling of lightness and dissolving in my heart and my legs, and eventually i felt as if my heart had stopped and i kinda of left my body in an astral projection, not very lucid though, i remebmer being on a dining room, and came back to my body.

 

The practice that I mentioned is to unblock sexual blockages and cause a sexual healing, which, in my view, is essential for advanced practice of Qigong.

 

this last week`s dreams were very intense indeed... not sexual, for the first time in years, but very dark and scarry, which i believe is a good sign because it probably means that i going through a cleansing, If this "sexual treatment" really works and i stop having nocturnal emissions spontaneosly, that probably means that my inner journey will get very accentuated so I guess i guess that i need to be ready for visions and scarry shit from the Lower Astral Planes, which we go through before accessing the Superior Astral Planes and dimensions of light.

 

one interesting dream that i had...I wanted to urinate, and as i started, i noticed I was pissing blood, it was scarry, this blood started getting thick, and eventually seemed like tomato juice in texture and color, I was in horror, I thought that I was really sick and probably was not far away from my death (I did not know that i was dreaming)... hehe the thing is.. i think this dream represented all the sexual impurities (including repression) that was blocking my energetic body, and how i was pissing them all out with the practices that i mentioned above.

 

Had some other dreams with Demons and stuff, not cool at all, but I know it`s part of the process, so i just observed my fear and bad feelings, I consider it to be a kind of catharsis, so I observe it equanimously, withour reacting to it (just like

with sexuality).

 

anyways...

 

about sexuality, it is interesting to mention Dionisus, the God of immortality, and how he is represented naked, his symbol is wine (bliss) and the myth in which he is cut down into pieces and thrown into a cauldron, and only his penis stays left out. And Narcisuss`s myth with Echo, which represents the rejection of the Female, and how she becomes solidified and pale because of this. I could go on and on, with examples of my life and myths, etc, of the importance of curing oneself sexually, first of all to be happy, and second to have a solid foundation to further practice and spiritual evolution.

 

Oh... Goldleaf... about your retention practices... just a note.. you really must analyse why you are doing these practices... is it for self knowledge, for spiritual unfoldment?? because I can guarantee you that the process of knowing one`s self is very subtle, it involves the mind, emotions, feelings, physical body, energy, alot, alot of subtle, subtle dimensions, and not just sticking three gross fingers in the perineum and then milking your penis.

 

Another thing, instead of doing this stopping method, you can familiarize your self with Vajroli Mudra... which is contraction of musces associated with the uniary and ejaculatory tract, to exercice them, you must stand in front of the loo when going to urinate, relax your whole body, and try to stop your urination just with your muscles.... note, it is important not to contract any other muscle, so you must not twitch you buttocks, nor your perineum, nor your anus muscles, and not the muscles on the lwer base of your penis. Try to contract and isolate only the muscles that are behind the pubic bone, nside your body... practice takes to perfection. Then, while meditating or during ANOTHER practice, you can try and strengthen all those other muscles and isolate all of them one from another. when stopping ejaculation this the muscles associated with Vajroli Mudra, much less semen stays stuck on the ejaculatory tract. But again my brother, when you solve your sexual issues and remain equanimous, you will certainly not ejaculate, and the ejaculation will turn into bliss, so this practice is just so that, while you sincerely try with patience and persistence to retain your ejaculation by observing your pleasure without reacting to it, neither piostive nor negatively, IF it happens that you really ae completely invevitably going to ejaculate, then you contract Vajroli Mudra to hold it in.... note.: During some practices i already have spent even up to 15 minutes on the "no turning back point", I thought that I had to do vajroli mudra to hold the semen in, but if I did it, I surejy would have an ejaculation urge, so i remained equanimous... for 15 minutes, and then it subdued.

 

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If you're doing the conserving jing route, then dont play with fire. Traced far enough back, the motive for the generative force is thought-impulse. If you are letting desires run wild at all then that will merely simulate more generative fluid - the practice of retention means taking care of this right at the root of the issue - so things like a manual locking method are merely playing with a book of matches.

 

Christoff is very correct - avoiding damage is definitely more important than "saving jing."

 

So if you're truly going to try to work with that, you cannot entertain fantasies. You might as well go practice ma bu in quicksand!

 

Also if you dont figure out how to redirect at the root, its simply going to burst forth one way or another, dreaming if not awake. Keep the center, enter significant stillness every day, reach deep in breath, and you have to do something with the energy, circulate, cultivate, there are many methods for that.

 

Dont focus too hard on conserving jing as if it is something to be grasped and held on to. Be natural while you develop the deeper understandings that will make jing conservation something productive instead of a potential source of danger.

 

Bravo... please, do not force the semen to stay inside for your own sake my brother!

 

 

By making use of " intensive fire " ("武火" ) ,ie, some kind of deliberate spiritual effort, you can refine all your jing into qi; Once having succeeded in doing so, you become unmoved * by any pretty ladies , no matter how sexy and how close they approaches you.

 

Even you still get some wet dreams at the initial stage of having achieved that , because there is no jing ( all already is transformed and absorbed into qi and Shen ) in your body , so hardly will a leakage materialize.

A further step,of course, is to get rid of wet dreams, even having any dreams at all ...only after that

can we claim the complete triumph over " the white tiger " .

 

 

( * WARNING : " unmoved " means no erection at all although it doesn't necessarily mean sexual impotence )

 

 

My God... I do not agree at all with you. Nice coming up this topic because I was going to start one myself...

 

I Have been practicing inte4nse Yoga and Qigong over the last three years, and I opened up alot of higher Chakras and intuitive features, but the lower Dantien and the lower chakras always held me back.. over the last years I have not manages to go for 10 days straight without a wet dream, I became very tensed about it, I even read about how Hatha Yoguins xhshould nto ejaculate or they die!!! heheh I sure did not die, thnks God..

 

Any ways... on the past days I had realisations after realizations and gladly one of them was regarding my sexuality and the sexual issue... I finally understood that all those dreams were coming up just to compensate my lack of pleasure due to a "mentally forced celibacy", and fighting against ejaculation, pleasure, which took away all my relaxation, all my Song, and my harmony and fluidness, once, I even denied a girl to sleep with me, she was going through a very bad phase on her life, I was very mean, she was going through schisofrenic attacks, and she was very pretty... I feel guilty, but I simply could not understand my sexual issue... past girlfriends even said that I kind of hurt alot their "inner woman", now I understand it better...

 

about 10 days ago I got a bus and a very pretty and sexual girl sat beside me, she started rubbing her legs on mine and her arms, i got very excited, and decided to OBSERVE MY EXCITEMENT, (note.. I did not mentally fight against it, not did I jump untop of her and ripped her clothes with my teeth, I simply OBSERVED EQUANIMOUSLY), i actually got a big bonner and almost ejaculated on my pants, but I became calm and surernded, and relaxed, relaxed, relaxed... I noticed that I had some tension in my pelvic area, so I relaxed it, and accepted it, relaxed it and accepted it, relaxed it and accepted it, suddently, the ejaculation urge came back into my body and transformed in a very pleasure heat that spread over my body.... then I understood... all those dreams... were telling me to accept this PLEASURE (not act as an animal, simply let the pleasure envelop you, without trying to dominate it), the more you let the pleasure come without deisirng obsessively nor runing away from it, the more safe your Jing will be safe guarded.

 

Since then I am making alot of experiments, every time I have a sexual urge or a urge of repressing a sexual urge, I simply observe it from a detached point of view, and relax my body, especially the area of the girdle vessel, every time I watch a film and there is a sex scene I observe it attentively, and examine my feelings, they are still a mixture of running away and ofdesiring, but I remain equanimous.

 

During some meditations, when I focus my attention on my lower dantien, my hui ying, and my anus, etc... I still sometimes have a spontaneous bonner, so I observe it and do not react to it, neither in a positive nor negative way, and it becauses a wonderful feeling that permeates my whole body...

 

my secxual dreams that haunted my ceassed!!!

 

I passed so many years of my life without feeling pleasure...., whoa.. this is awful!!!!! my dreams were coming as a warning sign!!! for sure!!! (pleasure does not mean a luxurious sexual animal... but simple bliss..)

 

with every breath I wfeel this "sexual Qi".. it is wonderful (But I know that I need to becareful as not to DESIRE this feeling as it will sonner or later fall into animosity, but simply LET IT BE, it occurs naturally! sexuality is like a flower, if you try and grasp it (i.e. abuse of sexuality) it's petals will fall of, if you deny it... well... the whole Earth which is very feminine, very orgasmic, very sexual, willl deny you too...

 

I remember that my sexual blockages started since when I was a child, my father would ask me to close my eyes when sexual scenes would pop up on the cinema... geese... he didn't know how he was hurting my inner self!...

 

my whole taichi practice these days are VERY SEXUAL, but in a WU-WEI sexuality... very, very pleasing indeed...

 

so brother.. when those feeeling arise... practise relaxation (song), eqquanimity, watch everything, savour it without desiring it, and let it envelop you... act naturaly. the retention will start normally (of course it is good to avoid sexual relationships during a certain perod untill you learn how to do this...)

 

to be continued.. no time now,,,,

 

 

*Edit*

 

ok I have 15 more minutes so I will try to be brief and clear...

 

Swami Satyananda says a story that goes like this (resume).

 

there was once a king that won a beautiful and powerful horse as a present, but no one could tame the horse.. he called all the best horse tamers of the country, but did not manage to tame the horse, so, finally a simple man appeared claiming that he would do the job, the King tsaid that he would be paid generously if he managed... so the firt thing that he did was let the horse run wild... no one understood him.. the King thought that the man was debauching huim.. but the man simply said "trust me", so, , after days and night running wild, the horse finnaly subdued and walked to the man,,, tamed!"

 

reflet upon this story my brother.. day and night.. and your whole practice and life and meditation will boost....

 

so to resume the practice of "celibacy", I recomed the following..

 

1) reflect day and night upon the concepts of Song, (relaxatioion / release) and Equanimity (not desiring nor running away from pléasure and pain)

 

2) reflect upon the story mentioned above.

 

3) practice Yoga or whatever you practice NAKED... go to a nudist beach whenever you have an opportunity and walk naked around... (always equanim0ous and relaxed and trying tobe aware of you blockages and do not react to them.. only observe untill they dissolve). I honestly walk around feeling as if I am naked, even if I am with my clothes on..so good, so natural... so natural.. so natural...

 

4) rpactice moving practices such as tachi, and with a sexual qi added to it .... and feel pleasure in everything.. every breath (inghale and relsease a AHHHH full of pleasure ) but beware I amnot saying that you need to feel desire.... it will come naturally, you must be equanimous and let the pleasure envelop you... the sexual breathing it sooo good, every thing is soo good... life is sooo gooood!!!

 

 

cheeerrrrssssss!!!! AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

AUHAUHAUHAHUA

 

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* Edit* number two....

 

sexuality and pleasure is very feminine in nature.. so if you deny it, you will deny all the other feminine aspects which are: love in between family members, love inbetween a father and a son, sense of community and SAKTI -vitality... all this is ver beautifull... I am very sad for cultivators that did not realise this, and cut off ompeltely BLISS from their lifes...

 

reflect upon this my brother.. and you will learn how to retain your Jing... and your practice will boost, boost boost...

 

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One of the question that only you can answer yourself is "did you enjoy those experiences yourself overall?" All those manifestation came from your mind originallly. Why them?

 

Thank you for you opinion hydrogen...

but the thing is, and I am quite sure about this... During the cleansing process of of Qigong, at least for spiritual purposes, unfortunately all should expect unpleasent experiences (if we had not shit to clean in this life time, we would not have reincarnated at all). If you want to go through this, you really need to want it, to have the strength to go throught the "dark phase". He kinds of explains it in the retreat. Of course.. alot of beaituil stuff also.

 

 

I don't think it is burn out. Is more like the Chi energy or the Kundalini energy is cleansing your body and your chakras. And at times, these cleansing can take the form of images coupled with moral issues. I will assure you that you would have many more of these experiences to come. The cleansing process is a life time journey. I think a real burn out is called Chi Kung psychosis. You can google it.

 

Will google it.. thank you.

 

Yes, burn out is possible as in any activity in life whether it be physical, mental, or spiritual. I have found it to be wise to approach any practice in moderation and always staying attune to feedback signals that he body is sending. I know of many people who pushed to exceed what would be healthy for them and in the process harmed themselves. It is no different than running. Running a mile or two may be healthy. Running a marathon can kill. Any excess can create harm.

 

hmm thats the prolem taiji student....

 

we all have karmic issued that are unpleasent, if we dont dare and cross the limits, we will continue to run away from them for ever. About the signals.. I was very scared with them I really felt as if I was burining up my self, but the reacher said to continue (and I wanted to continue, because I kn ew that I f a backed up, I would continue backing up when I got back home, so I thought that it was a good place to go for it).

 

what do you consider to be a feedback that your body is sending?

 

For example, I have been told that when you feel nausea on meditation on qigong practice, that your body has acumulated more Qi than it is used to, and that you need to stop the practice.. but after my retreat, the teacher said that you should continue, and feel the nausea and just become aware and equanimous. Maybe he is right, we should cross the limits... I have always heard about burnouts but never directly from someone who went through one.

Hello CHunky, consider this message a continuity of my last one...

 

First of all, when I mentioned that you need to actively engage yourself in abandoning the hatred thoughts, I did NOT mean that you must fight with them, you should not, in any stance fight with your own negative thoughts, for you will feed them with more energy and produce more mental tension and stagnation, simply observe them without trying to dominate them. When you get lost in them, then you must actively remind yourlef not to react to them and just observe them,, in this way you will start developing equanimity, voidness, wu-wei.

 

About the Qigong practice, I recomend that you practice a relaxation technique before your practice, so as to produce SONG or deep relaxation. then you should try to maintain song or deep relaxation throuout your practice, this song is essential to dissovle stagnation on mental, psychic and physical levels, thus unobstructing the Liver. Actuallym you should start developing Song thoughout your entire day. Remember, Equanimity and Song are two essential features of a good qigong practice, especially to deobstruct the Liver. the Qigong practice will activate past karmas and negative tendencies, and you will neutralize them by staying equanimous and not reacting to them, if you practice qigong with no euqnaminity, nothing will be gained.

 

Another thing, alot of obstructions take plate on the Pelvic area (thankyou Gerard for past advice on this), on the sexual region, which is a place where the Liver Meridian is very active. Alot of blockages have their roots in sexuality,m so during your relaxation technique eu could relax alot that area, includint the lower dantien, the pubic bone, the Hui Yin. Mains tain relaxed througut the day. However you are in a sexual situation, try and notice if you are "holding back" your sexual organ, and then consciously develop Song on that area, relaxation. Acept desire, feel it (but not necessary react to it). Sexual obstructions can also be cleansed if you imagine your self naked when you are walking through town, or if it is not illegal and not too cold, STAY NAKED and walk around town, rsrsrs, do not contract and hide your sexual organ.

 

Another very important place to relax and develop song is in your abdomen flanks, laterally in between your ribs and your pelvis, alot to do with Liver.

 

any questions you may PM me...

 

good luck!

Hi Dzogchen.

 

I have two interpretations for your cravings;

 

1) your mind-body-spirit complex is asking for you to eat food for some reason and you need to respect it, but try and dos o with good quality food, and do so with awareness.

 

2) You activated alot of Samskaras (latent karmic mental impressions) which are manifesting themselves as a humungus craving for eating. In this case, you need to learn to feel Equanimous. How to do it? well first of all create a healthy eating timetable (say... three meals a day?) and DO NOT EAT OUT OF SCHEDULE. Second, when you feel a craving, sit in a meditation posture, preferably crossed legged so that you do not sleep, bring your awareness to you breathing, say, feeling the air touching the skin inside your nostrils, for example. and simply observe the craving for food, observe, observe, observe, like a scientist, eventually you will start observing it from a different point of view, and not be obssessed with it.. you will finally detach yourself.... probably you will start producing alot of saliva, let it acumulate in your mouth and swallow it... it means that you are feling desire... if you manage to stay equanimous, this desire will be converted into wisdom. If you react to this desire, by eating more and more like and animal, with no awareness, then you will simply create more Samskaras.

 

if you really need to eat alot, and it is really a kundlini symptom, then maybe you should go for the 2 1/2 interval between meals, but in this case the meals must be small in quantity, filling only 1/2 the stomach with food and 1/4 with fluid, leaving 1/4 empty, which means that you will NOT feel full after the meal.

 

If it is not a kundalini symtom and you do not actually have to eat alot, then you can eat some flaxseed poweder, say in te morning. the flax seed liberates some viscous oil that gives the feeling of being full and retards the digestion (not food for me because i am skiny).

 

hope I helped

 

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Greeting Cruhcy Chocolate.

 

I recomend you the book "Healing with whole Foods", which contains a section dedicated to to a "liver cleansing program" which takes about three months, and the author emphasizes the imprtance of cleansing the Liver.

 

Funny enough I was diagnosticated with Fire in the Liver, but I still did not start my cleansing program, I don`t know if it is the same as your case. But during a Vipassana retreat I actually had a dream that I had a tumour in that area, (I believe it is an energetic tumour). Any ways, I wil start the cleansing program and am making an approach on the Shen aspect also, which might be useful for you too.

 

I noticed that I felt alot of hate also, which was kiond of hidden but always present inside, and it seems that all my practice was actually expanding and feeding this baseless hatred. So I finally had an insight on the so.... so important concept of Yama and Niyama which are essential before an adept of Yoga starts his practical cultivation of Spirit. But it aint that easy, I had to discover what really is meant by equanimity (Wuwei - non action - or non reaction) and stay vigilent 24hrs a day... as soon as any hate thought appears, you should empty yourself energically and refute it straight away, before the seed grows... but the best way is to not fight against it, just simply don`t feed it. it is very tyring in the begginning, but you must be vigilent... Actually you should do this with any pre-conceptions of any kind with any person...

 

For example... No. 1) You see a person who does not have virtue developed on the street, he is clearly a show-off and you identify it. As soon as you start thinking something such as "what an idiot" or anything of that kind, you refrain yourself and empty your mind of such thoughts energetically, eventually you will cease to see his inferior personality and start seeing his hidden spiritual being, and feel compassion for the person, because she suffers for not having discovered this inner spiritual being.

 

No 2) (sorry for any Marxist materialst in the forum)... If you see someone of a lower social class, and start fitting that person in one thousand social theories thinking things such as "oh, this person suffers so much because of his terrible fate, the world is so unfair, he hsould fight for his rights..." and so on... immediately empty your self from those "preconceptions" enertgically... after slot of vigilancy 24 hrs a day, you will start seeing things without preconceptions of any kind.

 

note: I don`t mean that i don`t believe in any social theory. After you are established in Emptyness / equanimity, you can jump too and fro from the Emptyness-Contemplative-Spiritual perspective and the Knotted-congested theories and thoughts.

 

 

I say this because by what you said, you practice alot of Qigong, etc.. which means that it is important that you discover Equanimity before "increasing the energy in the system". Equanimity is like the railroad that takes to Spiritual Knowledge, if the train is not on track, the increase of energy will accentuate the errors.

 

this is the recipe for curing the Liver from the Shen point of view, to complement the Diet and more material treatment. You have Liver Stagnation. Preconceptions of ideas are nothing but a form of stagnation. Spiritual empty contemplation is pure fluidity.

 

When fighting any preconception and Rage attacks remember the wise frase "it is not the poison of the snakes that kills us, but the way our body reacts to it", and empty your self form the poison`s action, and remain present, and equanimous.

 

hope it helped/

 

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hmmm I would rather believe that we are heading to a "no religion" and "spiritualized" world

Greetings.

 

I have heard so much about cautions that must be taken during practice and how people burn their own systems with excess Qi.

 

Did anyone actually experience a burnout or personally knows someone else that did so? What were the symptoms?

 

I ask this because I recently attended to a Vipassana 10-day course, and it pushed me to the limit, I really thought that i was burning myself up, but the teacher said that the experiences were normal, so I simply continued with the practice. and today I feel normal, not fucked up.

 

Here were some experiences I had, (please do not compare them with your own experiences, and do not hate me for sharing them, my intention is not to be proud of them at all, just to share, and forget them emptying myself for they are nothing but transitory, Aniksha):

 

2nd day at night, when I went to sleep I felt energy acumulating at my nose tip, zooming downwards toward my chest cavity and exploding over there. (I heard other people having the same experiences and sharing them with the teachers at night time, which said they were normal, those "explosions").

 

4tth day during a sitting I was with eyes mildly oppen when i suddently percieved the arms of my neighbor meditator as a little girl standing in sand dunes in a desert - alucination - breath started suspencind, i Felt very scared and moved out of position to stop with the symptoms, which continued for about 2 hours, I went to eat some fruits while feelling that i was loosing contact with this reallity, I felt my Hui Yin constantly sinking as if it were loose sand.

 

5th day, Static energy acumulating in crown area and atracting alot of Qi over there, creating a great pressure in the skull with eventually made a sound of "cracking" on the top. I got scared and moved a bit out of position.

 

5th and 6th day, I could percieve energy in a form of a very thin thread of sound which felt as if it were golden in nature, especially on the central upper part of my spine, connecting with the center of my head.

 

7th day till 10th day. the extreme experiences were over, subdued, and i started to percieve an inner observator which was extremely silent and empty, I felt his as black or, even still, Voidness, the silence was kind of freaky but very very peacfull.

 

througout the retreat I felt alooot of pain in the Sacrum area, as if someone were stabbing that area repeatedly with a knife, And I thought that the "Dragon Gate" was oppening, and alot of karmic issues were being delt with.

 

During the whole reatreat I was very worried with the symptoms, i would go to the teacher and ask him if it was normal and he would always sa "normal, just continue, it is your fear that is coming up, stay equanimous, etc..." some times I would think that he did not understand my explanations (i spoke portugues, he was american and didn`t want me to speak english with him). anyways... I got to the conclusion that if there was a place that I could risk it all was during that retreat, and if I got insane ar something fucked up happened, I would spend somedays there to recover, so I just continued meditationg and meditationg ..

 

and... the experiences subdued!!

 

that is why I ask about wat are the limits... I discovered that I would always stop my practice as soon as something wieerd happened, and during the Vipassana course i "crossed the limits" and feel great now, as if it were necessary to "cross the limits" to deal with karmic issues.

 

all kinds of opinions are welcome

hmmm... so government-based mind-controling pharmacy = witchcraft, sorcery and black magic?

 

heheh

 

agreed!

Ayahuasca, Belladona, Cubensis, Argyrea, Flyring Agaric.

 

The traditional way of "activating the inconscious" on the european societies.

The name of the Hobbit`s mother was "Belladona Took" and here is a chapter in the loRD OF THE rigns name "a shortcut through mushrooms"

 

Should I say more?

hmmmm I will update some informations gathered these days...

 

first of all, I talked again and again to my aunt, and she is quite certain that the gasping sound emited by myself was actually while EXHALING the air, and not trying to desperately inhale..

 

exatly, she said that I was laying down with my belly downwards, in a position that remined my of a semi-bhujangasana pose, and whle raising my head I was emiting those creepy sounds.

 

Another thing that I noticed, acutally now I am quite sure that this physiological effect IS indeed a result of the pranayama and meditation practices. I am quite sure of this because of my experience of last night, in which I had a very strong and vivid dream, very archetypal indeed, and woke up with a sudden gasp of air (as if the dream had occured in the time while by breathing had been suspended). Interestsing enough it was mid night when I woke up of the dream, midnight being the best time inwhich the unconcious is active. When I woke up after the "dream" I felt very detachd from te external world, all my prolems seemed trivial (which, I believe, means that at that time my libido was introversed, which made be feel detacehd from the external world). Now I am again atached to it, which means I guess that my "kundalini raised, and fell", that is, that my "libido" became introverted (in an esoteric sense) and then fell again to the external world.

 

Anyways, I will continue with my practice, and hope everything goes alright, and avoid doing too much exercise not to tire my much, and, if I have night emissions, I will abdicate from the practice at least for that day and eat alot of nourishing food, fruits and vitamins, to recover the lost energy. I really feel that I am close to death in those experiences, and am afraid that I can "leave my body and not come back" if it is too much weak. But I think that Death itself is a major factor or a major "ingredient" in all yoguic and inner taois practices (isn't immortality the conquer of death?), s that means that all the alchemists deal with Death or "the death factor" quite close, and it is, in deed, possible that the "Great Experiment" or the process of awakening spiritually resulis in permament death if the Adept is not cautious enough.

 

I say that based on information that adepts of Hatha Yoga should not emit there semen "because they may die". It makes alot of sense to me now... Again.,... when my breath stays very weak, I feel as if I am dying, I think that if the body is not strong enough, the person undergoing this processs can really die... Kind of reminds my of the folks that die sleeping "like a bird".

 

my weak breathing patterns had ceased during the days in which I stopped my practice (about 4 days in duration).

 

I will did further still into this and will reply soon..

Nice explanations, I will dig in further into those practices.

 

Besto of luck for you too my brother

To release and not interefere with the Dao in all it's complexity is actually somthing achieved only by enlightened beings, hehe...

 

but you can practice it in some microcosmic aspects.

 

I will explain two techniques which are very, very important for me.

 

listening to music: put on you headphones in a calm or classical music, and start listening to it. Then, try and stop interfereing with it and simply let it "resonate through your head", (it actually feels like it is crossin you empty head). maybe you will start noticing all the instruments in the same way with lucidity, etc... keep trying, the experiences will vary with time. After you manage with calm music, start going to more agressive musics, which are kinda more difficult not to "react" psychically. for example, music which is full of "testosterone expression", like rock and roll. Some time I feel like dancing with it, and kinda play an invisible guitar, by thats against this "non interference exercise", and you sho8uld try to realse and expand those manifestation and just let the music cross you head.

 

second exercice: talking to people.

in your day-to-day life, whilst talking to people in work, family, etc... try to listen to them without interfering.

when I say without interfering, I mean not only physically and verbally, but phychically also, try to "receive" all that is being said without judging it, without reacting at all!, this is more difficult than it seems and gives ALOT of benefits of wuwei, and was exposed in a book of "spiritual exercises" by Rudolf Steiner the ofunder of antroposophy. try this out, it is good because you can practice without being a recluse.

 

If you practice alot in those microcosmic manifestations" i.e. music and conversations, you will eventually have more chances of "letting go" to the whole complex Dao on all it's levels at the same time.

 

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some people wioll get pissed of with you because generally when someone speaks, the listener gives small signs that he is agreeing and comprehending, but if you stop doing this, stop reacting... well see the effects for youself hehe

I recently started to notice that I always have my muscles tensed and I was hoping someone could suggest a good chi kung exercise for me to google and do. Thanks in advance

 

 

Agreed with "I am". your bodilyt awareness it expanding!

 

 

"Yoga Nidra" in the Shavasana position.

 

I have practiced Yoga nidra for a long time, and I discovered that it wasnot very good to me. Maybe its because of my constitution, but it seemed that my awareness would always get lost in a region around my head and my bodily consciousness would suck.

 

For me, the best relaxation technique is standing up.my bodies own weight will help to "synchronize" your mental body and actual physicall body, grounding it. maybe you can try Savasana and the standing relaxation, see for yourself which one suits best..

 

the relaxation technique that I practice is Shou Yu Liang's "Basic Relaxation Technique", exposed in his book "wigong the way of Power". once you get the technique, practice it every day, with time you will be able to lossen up the muscles.

 

There is alot of phychological and phychical blockages associated with those key muscles.

 

good luck

Unfortunately, we do have trolls on this forum. You should put chi dragon on your block list now and save future trouble..

 

 

I don`t know if this is a Troll, but i sure do know that it is pleasent to talk to people who make an effort to comprehend reality and share their experiences and knowledge in a humble and multi point of view manner.

 

 

 

JQS is a background process, and unless you're doing internal alchemy a la taoist yoga, I havent heard of any confirmatory signs of such outside of what's there - but that relies on controlling and filling the generative force before full jing transmutation takes place.

 

 

 

Settling into deep stillness is the best way to integrate the energy cultivated.

 

 

 

nice...

 

i have dificulty preserving my generative force (sexual energy? semen retention - ?? ), often ejaculating during sleep, I notice that the night emission often takes place when i am stressed because of a visit to big city and taking loudy and crowded trains, hehe, working on that.

 

About the conversion of Jing - Qi - Shen. Isn`t this that originated the cosmos? from sutil do gross, Spirit - Qi - Jing.

 

Which, theorically speaking, means that if a person has complete control over those mechanisms, she / he would be able to constantly restore and create new physical bodies? and even to materialize objects and all "a la Babaji" (with reverence).

Practice, dedication, discipline, effort and living alone in semi-seclusion. Working with trees has helped me understand this relationship a lot. There is a lot more to trees than meets the eye...as you probably know.

 

Anyone can do it as the Buddha already stated in the Noble Eightfold Path.

 

My main practice is Baguazhang, also walking meditation and a bit of sitting meditation (not much just 2-3h a day). I place a lot more importance to moving practice due to the nature of today's mind and environment.

 

 

Respect! Always good to find an Adept.

 

Yes, you're right. No body knows what (s)he was talking about. It is just like you said everybody just repeat what they'd read or told. There is no way one can tell when it is going normal or reverse. It is only in the imaginary.....

 

I don`t agree with you.

 

Ofcourse, you can feel the Qi circulating it is not only imaginary, uahuahuahauha.

 

when I do the reverse MCO I stop feeling Qi round my body and feel grounded to my physical body, which means that the Qi was stored some how. I Think that is could have been stored as Jing. I am not sure about it that is why I posted.

 

i think that Qi seems imaginary for those you do not feel it`s objectivity.

feeling qi/yang-emptiness/yin, you have a path to manifest either.

 

 

Cool! let me know more about it when you do have practiced! And when bringing awarness to the Lower Dantien, does the Qi convert to Jing?

I agree...

 

the chants are full of worldly lessons of how to behave with others, and to play is a true lesson of trust and how to "dance with it",

 

Sister!

 

about the energetics, it certainly generates alot of Jing because of the leg work, the rhythm and it's close contact with the ground (especially the more traditional Angola). on the Angola style also the players ofter spin on their own axiswith the palms facing up, I betya it's an intuitive move of capturing energy hehe..

 

yes, bezouro is a little cheesy hehe....

 

oh, careful with the documentaries about candomble, I saw one of BBC that made the whole riatual seem more like a big theatrical play.

 

There are two very good films that are not at all cheesy, I like them alot. They show alot of the lifestyle of "Bahia" the Brazilian state where african culture mostly flourished, they also show alittle bit of capoeira, here are the two trailers.. they are very god films by themselves! Here are the Trailers.

 

"The Two Deaths of Quincas Wateryell"

 

"Captains of the Sand"

kan/li

what about it ?

i love capoeira!! one of my favorite fighting styles! i can definantly say its one of the most fun martial arts ive ever encounterd and practiced

 

capoeira is not a fight, it is a game!

Hey ,

 

any capoeira players out there ?

 

How long have you been playing and how does it effect you ? What do you get out of it ? What style are you playing ?

How often do you train?

How does it connect with you spiritual level ?

Can you reccomend any good capoeira documentaries (not training videos ) in English (or Eng subs) ?

 

I am not counting on many answers knowing that there probably isnt many Capoeira bums around , but would be nice to hear if anyone does practise and fancy sharing about it..

 

 

hey brother come to brazil to check out capeira in Bahia or in any part of Brazil.

 

It is very associatd with the Brazilian-Afro religion cults of the Candomblé and Umbanda, in which Mediums incorporate spirits during drum music induced trances... search for "pontos de umbanda" in the internet to download some rythms of this cult, (careful couse some invoke the Trikster (Exu).

 

There is Capeira Regional which is more sportive with more violent jumps and kicks, and the Capoeira Angola which is more grounded, more slow, more playful, lucid and spiritual, with more cultural and spiritual roots...

 

a nive brazilian film about a great capoeira is called "Bezouro", check it out on the net.

 

best

If I'm in a good mood, I practice daily 2 times Yi Jin Jing of Da Mo Pai. If not I YJJ is off some days.

 

My daily practices are 2 times daily Tummo breathing and Da Mo Pai Nei Gong Step 1. Also add 40min aprox maybe sometimes like 1 hour sitting meditation.

 

And in some times but not so often, Xing Shen Zhuang Fa and Xing Gong Ba Gua. How long they takes depends to my mood. I do XSZF 1 hour each set. Ba Gua takes again like 1 hour. Which forms in Ba Gua; Monkey, Bear, Crane, Snake, Walking on Clouds, Deer,

Each one of them works on defferent parts as you see. One practice for body, one for energy, one for enlightment (most important for me).

 

 

Nice practicing... i have heard people describing different tummo breathing exercises for me...

 

where did you study the Yi Jin Jin, Nei gong and Martial arts?

 

what practces are especifically for physical body, energetic body and spirit?

 

thanks!