thoth-

thoth,

 

If you sit down and mediate on your lower dan tien while being celibate and breathing naturally the sexual energy will convert and flow where it needs to flow on it's own. You will get better control of your sexual organs and in time with a lot of perseverance you will stop the flow of semen.

 

I have heard that some people can achieve this under two years.

What is your actual go here? To fuck your girl/boyfriend all night long or spiritual cultivation?

 

Spiritual cultivation requires a lot of detachment at first. Think of yourself like a jigsaw. You have to scramble yourself and then put yourself back together.

 

Meditation helps you break down everything, this phase requires detachment. Then once you reach a certain level your whole being will come together again, but with new programming.

 

So during the first stage, either you're gonna fuck or you're not gonna fuck, chose one of the two.

After that fuck all you want.

effilang,

the road to spiritual enlightenment is a long road indeed. my goal is to simply get the sexual urges under control (while still being able to please my girlfriend to the fullest;-)) and move on from there.

I do know that excersises such as the microcosmic orbit move the sexual energy. if I am without my girlfriend for some month f.e I simply do this and feel no urge to 'release'. However, as you guessed I am looking for a way to still conserve my energy while obviously fullfilling my duty as a lover.

using this sexual energy to unleash kundalini, gain siddhi's or spiritual enlightenment is not my prime purpose at the time being, I'm just looking for a way that fits into my life at this moment (one that cultivates the energy and promotes better vigor, health, whilist not focussing too much on the 'reaching enlightenment' aspect. Obviously since I do practise meditations such as the middle pillar the upsurge of kundalini may bring about such results, however it is not my prime purpose at this time)

In your opinion, would mantak chia's techniques be good for this purpose if I focus the energy on my navel area (and thus avoid stalling it in my head) ?

edit: actualy this part of http://www.precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/HLIntro.htm explains my goals quite well:

Don't obsess on long term retention. Pay much more attention to balance and harmony. (That'll get you there faster, anyhow.) Really, all these lofty goals: semen retention indefinitely, enlightenment, immortality... On their own they can be counter-productive, but if you focus on balance and harmony you make progress towards them more quickly, with more stability, and with much less wear and tear.

You're talking sexual yoga, right? In order to keep from ejaculating semen during sex, to save jing right?

That is exactly what I am looking for.

however, I searched for Jolan Chang's books and it does not seem that he teaches any good methods on this (besides the million dollar point technique which causes harm).

'Healing Love' dangers.

Yeah, thats exactly what I'm talking about.

so, is it okay if I take all the advice from that book and rest the energy at my navel instead of my head?

Before you start on sex stuff, take stock of what's in your body to begin with, and learn what a healthy body is supposed to do. Be at a point where you can feel and circulate energy in your body smoothly (this in and of itself is an accomplishment). If you don't, in the best case nothing will happen, and in the worst case, you'll be damaging your body and won't know until it's too late because you won't know how to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong. You MUST be open, you MUST be healthy, you MUST know how to deal with problems with your baseline physical body BEFORE you start adding stress (sexual energy).

I have quite some experience with meditations such as the microcosmic orbit, pranayama and israel regardie's Middle Pillar excersise, so yes..I can feel and circulate energy in my body smoothly.

I'm sorry, I am not a native english speaker so maybe I have come across wrong, so I will repeat:

What I am looking for is guidelines or books on sexual alchemy/sexual yoga/tantra/cultivating sexual energy whatever you wish to call it. methods that are safe and sound, which allow me to have multiple orgasms without ejaculation (retaining the semen) and which then circulate the sexual energy in a safe way so that it is not forced up any channels it does not want to go. Michael Winn and Mantak Chia's book 'Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy' teaches this, but apparantely the methods in this book are not completely safe. hence, i'm looking for methods that ARE :-)

Hello,

I came to this board looking for a good answer/guideline on starting the practise of cultivating the sexual energy by becoming a multiorgasmic man who has orgasms without ejaculation and channels the sexual energy up the spine. Most people seem to recommend Mantak Chia's books on this subject, however other people have told me that this method of practise is dangerous and can cause harm.

Since this is a taoism board and since tantra is a big part of that (isnt it?), I was wondering if I could get some guidelines or recommendations on this subject. What I'm looking for specifically is a way that teaches me to harvest my sexual energy (orgasm without ejaculation), in a safe and secure manner and which also nourishes my energetic body, vital organs etc. a safe and sound way that does not force the energy up places where it is not yet ready to go.

Btw if it helps to know: I am student of the hermetic/qaballistic philosophy, there are various books and guidelines on 'raising the kundalini energy' within this 'doctrine'. however, this is not what I am looking for. I am looking for a taoist/tantric solution that cultivates the energy without forcing it (cultivate it by retaining the energy during orgasm and then balancing it out by f.e the microcosmic orbit) :-)

Hello,

I am a 23 year old man with sincere and deep rooted interest in esoteric/occult topics,practises and the Great Work. I have been studying the principles of hermetic thought, hinduism, buddhism, the tao and much more for several years now. My reason for coming to this forum has to do with finding correct tantra/tao guidelines which I hope I will be able to find on this forum of wisdom.

my personal daily (or almost daily ;-)) practises consist of The Middle Pillar, pranayama and the microcosmic orbit. I am quite sensitive to energy and have decided the next step for me is to cultivate the sexual energy (and achieve orgasms without ejaculation).

I originally started reading Mantak Chia's books on this subject but discovered that this is not the best way, hence I hope I will find a more safe and beneficial solution or guidelines on these boards.

Peace and unconditional love