Green Tiger

1. First of all, if one don't breathe, one will die. The magnetic sensation between your hands are the heat which generated by your body. If you put two hands together one inch apart, then you have the heats from both hands added. The magnetic sensation was the summation of the heats from the two hands.

 

2. You muscle tremors was because you are an novice. The muscles of a novice were not used to having the new stresses applied the legs and arms. Those are not the organ chi. As I mentioned before, the definition of organ chi is the function activities of the organ.

 

3. I don't know what are the types of things that he was talking about. I will not assume that I know what he's talking about. Also, I will not assume that he knows what he was talking about neither. I can only talk about what I'd already learned with some basic understanding.

1. mmmk, so what if the hands are a foot and a half (18 inches) apart and the sensation is still there? still heat?

2. I'm talking about a twitch that appears to be more nerve than muscle, located in a spot that is not under muscular strain. I've read some of Bruce's other books and I had come to call these types of phenomena "blockages" since that is the termonology he uses.

3. Sounds good. So what is the fastest (or most efficient) way to build chi, in your experience/opinion?

It seems that I recently read/heard somewhere that all matter is condensed light. I'll have to double check to see if I can find the reference. Anyway, I appreciate the curiosity on light. Light is a funny thing.

Light is a particle AND a wave. Does that mean it can surf on itself?

when I saw the title of this thread my first thought was "World of Warcraft addicts?"

IMO Most people are so confused with the definition of "Chi". There is a fallacy in lines a and 2. Lines 1 and 2 are mixing apples and oranges. The Chi in line 1 was referring to the functional activities of the organs; and the Chi in line 2 was referring to the Chi in breathing. Holding a specific standing postures only change the formation of the leg muscles. Without breathing, one will not receive any Chi at all.

 

If one wants to know about Chi, one needs to know the distinction of all the definitions of "Chi" and be sure one knew which Chi that he was talking about.

 

Edited to add:

BTW There is no way to achieve what the title says. It has to be done be practice after practice of one individual.

So, if, you're doing a standing meditation and you feel a sort of magnetic sensation between your hands, that is breathing chi?

If you are standing and slowly moving your hands over various parts of your body (like the arms and legs f'instance) and you feel muscle tremors in the part of the arm/leg, that that is organ chi?

Are those the types of things he's talking about?

 

 

Likewise after years of having us concentrate on tan tien (center) my aikido sensei told us a 'secret'. Being aware of everything around you is the same as concentrating on your center, but its much harder.

Thank you for sharing that. I had begun to suspect the two were related.

EDIT: Might be worth sharing that practicing 8 direction meditation opened me up to that suspicion.

Intelligent conversation = an oxymoron that hinders awakening

Emptiness -- sort of like, the space behind your eyes then, eh?

Intelligent conversation

Not exactly mental dialogue, but last night while I was lying in bed I kept having this thought run through my head that aliens were in the room with me and wanted me to acknowledge them so that I could see them.

UGH . . . it looks way crazier in type than it did in my head.

My mind battled between trying to dismiss the idea as ludicris and being terrified it was real. It went something like, "Nope, too scary. Just want to forget about it. It could be true. but that's crazy, it can't be possible. but maybe it is, how do you know. maybe you should try to acknowledge them and see if anything happens? what's the worst that could happen? nothing? maybe I don't want to see aliens tonight. Why not? Aliens are ugly and scary as hell and they have those freaky big black eyes and I HATE them and I don't want to see them I just want to go to sleep. but this could change your life. I don't want to change my life, I JUST WANT TO GO TO SLEEP!"

This kept me up for at least an hour . . . I had a serious childhood fear of aliens (probably because my parents let me watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind) and my mind had a really tough time letting go. For a while it just cycled through different reasons why invisible aliens might be hanging out in my room. "Maybe they aren't aliens, maybe they are Terrence McKenna's self transforming machine elves. But I'm not on DMT. Maybe they are parasitic thought forms inhabiting my mind."

Double UGH . . .

For me, there are certain topics that just tend to stick like fishooks in my head. Good topics to avoid at work or before bed.

From the book Zhuan Falun-

http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_new.html

 

 

 

 

 

So the issue of the lost civilizations in prehistory is relevant to spiritual culitivation.

I can't speak to the relevance of the topic, but I have often wondered about the origins of Taoist Alchemy/energy arts/Yoga, ect.

It is my impression that the current state is much degraded from what it was just a few hundred years ago in China. Because of masters dying off or being killed without passing on their knowledge, or simply because the knowledge is inherently difficult to pass along, much has been lost and what is left is only known to a few. That is my impression, anyway; the perspective of a recent initiate secluded in the midwest.

Was there a time when it was a common knowledge? Maybe not in recent memory, but perhaps when the human race was more in tune with nature? I would like to think so. I feel that, rather than exploring some spooky occult mumbo jumbo (as was recently suggested to me), I am reawakening a very natural and healthy sense of myself and my environment.

There have been times when I make myself sit on my butt and really concentrate on the orbit. I can barely feel it at first, but as I meditate, it starts to become a heavy, hard-to-ignore flow-- an orbit, a circulation. I feel it going around and around... I don't concentrate on much but just following the feeling around. I start just sitting and wait to feel that kind of flow. I mentally follow the trail of the orbit until I catch up with the qi, then it becomes stronger and a bit blissful.

Do you "sit on your butt" or is it more your legs? I was recently instructed to lean more forward when doing sitting meditation, so that I'm resting more on the thighs.

Hello. This thread brought me to the Tao Bums site. I've been practicing the first two Flying Pheonix Chi Kung videos (standing and sitting) and this thread was a great help with that (and also a very interesting read!).

I've been practicing the standing set for almost eight months now, off and on. The sitting set not as long--maybe three or four months. I've had some interesting experiences with both, but the most amazing (to me) was the experience I had the VERY FIRST TIME I tried the standing exercises.

While doing the Monk Holding Peach posture, I felt an involuntary rigidity creep up my right leg, into my right arm, and out/through the little finger on my right hand. It felt like that line in my body (meridian?) was plugged into an electrical outlet. At the time, I had never experienced anything like this and it startled me out of the posture. It freaked me out enough that I was hesitant to continue, but also very curious, so I did continue but didn't have any more *shocking* experiences at that time.

Would the reincarnated Isaac already be circumcised?

Gimme' some Evil.

Shred open some Hostess snacks.

Ram them in my mouth.

Ram it in my mouth!

Let me taste your hot, throbbing

existentialism!

Ahh what a day

Can you look it in the heart

Moment to moment?

Moment to moment?

Too hungry for tomorrow

Standing on a feast

I am you and you are me ...and god can be the flea.

Heh... that reminds me:

I am he as you are he as you are me

and we are all together

Let's say we take up the basic supposition, which is the thing that one sees and the experience of awakening, or satori, or whatever you want to call it -- that this now moment, in which Im talking and you are listening, is eternity. That although we have somehow conned ourselves into the notion that this moment is rather ordinary, and that we may not feel very well, and that we are vaguely frustrated and worried and so on and that it ought to be changed -- this is it. So you dont need to do anything at all. But the difficulty about explaining that is that you must not try to not do anything, because that is doing something; and how to explain that? Because there is nothing to explain, because that is the way it is now, you see? And if you understand that, it will automatically wake you up.

That's why Zen teachers use shock treatment. Sometimes they hit people or shout at them to create a sudden surprise, because it is that jolt that suddenly brings you here. See there is no road to here, because you are already there.

So you see, when you ask how do I attain the knowledge of god? How do I attain Nirvana -- Liberation? All I can say is its the wrong question. Why do you want to attain it? Because the very fact that youre wanting to attain it is the only thing that prevents you from getting there. You already have it. But of course, its up to you; its your privilege to pretend that you dont. Thats your life game and thats what makes you think youre an ego. And when you want to wake up you will, just like that. If youre not awake it shows that you dont want to be; youre still playing the hide part of the game. Youre still, as it were, the self pretending its not the self. Thats what you want to do. So you see, in that way too, youre already there."

-- Alan Watts, The Road to Here