Green Tiger

http://rumsoakedfist.org/ is also good.

If you want to believe that you can absorb yin chi in outer space while wrapped in fiberglass insulation then go right ahead. You are also welcome to believe in Paul Bunyan, Cinderella, or Odin as well. On the other hand I'm going to stick with reality and focus on what's real.

Have you ever tried to absorb yin qi in space, while wrapped in fiberglass insulation, Ken?

I'm just mad that he misquoted me in his banner. I said I could absorb yin chi in space while wrapped in fiberglass insulation.

Maybe that was too long for the banner.

The banner is really the only cool thing about the forum. Once he and his fan club are finished attacking people he couldn't attack here and venting about how he got shafted, they won't have anything more to say.

It sounds like it might be an issue with the scapula. I would also recommend yoga and maybe some sort of body work.

Grand Master Wai Lun Choi performing the second half of the Liu Ho Ba Fa main form.

 

Jiang asked me to sit down, rest my hand facing up on the tiny desk cushion, and appeared to take my pulse. I did not feel anything, so I asked Grady if he was taking my pulse, and Grady said "there is quite a bit more to it than that". Jiang told me I had a deficient stomach, kidneys, and spleen, but that there were no blockages. He could tell all that just by moving his fingers on the artery of my wrist. Since I realized he was measuring the energies of my body, I asked if he could try it again with my device turned on. He did, and said there was a constant energy on my skin, but the internal organs were not affected.

Sounds like a fun trip.

Did he perform any sort of healing on you, that you are aware of?

You're right, no human being could stack rocks like this.

April Fools?

I'll bet you really love the scenery in that video considering where you live.

 

 

 

Yes! It makes me want to travel more.

Would you believe it if you knew what you were for?

I agree -- INTENT is key. I am a little uncomfortable, though, with the phrase Horus used, "...only the intention is required to bring source itself to your feet", for two reasons.

 

First is that (and substituting "intent" here) intent absent the raising of the vibrational energy level implied by the preceding phrase "those of the highest level" is a hollow wish. It is only AFTER one's energy level has been significantly elevated and one has personally come into alignment with the Light that intent becomes effective.

 

Second is the phrase "to your feet" -- to me this implies subjugation, that you are commanding Source to do your bidding when, in fact, just the opposite it true. It is when one is aligned WITH the Light that things start to happen. We help manifest the will of the Light rather than use the Light to manifest our own will.

 

In some lineages, anyhow...

 

I think Horus was suggesting, however, that the dedicated practitioner of a high-level spiritual "kung fu" develops the ability to use intent to leverage the Light to bend manifest reality, and this I agree with whole-heartedly.

I think I would say it like this: "Effective use of intent in a clinical setting presupposes a relationship with source/the light."

Johnson's CMQT book breaks down a process for 'aligning with the light' that seems to be geared toward someone who has not yet developed that relationship. It's a good method that includes a grounding sequence (physical connection to the earth), consecration of the healing space (environmental divine hookup), connecting the spiritual center of the body to the spiritual center of the universe (physical divine hookup), aligning with the light (visual divine hookup), and then invoking the 'Lord' via prayer (verbal divine hookup). It's a bit redundant, but for someone who is not comfortable with it yet, it helps to firmly get them connected with the light.

Concerning the purpose of the divine hookup, he says:

This divine hook-up enables the Qigong doctor to not only establish a sacred healing space, but also to access both spiritual insights and divine healing power. CMQT pg. 506

Previously in the book, he talked more about spiritual insights and divine healing power as it related to diagnosis.

Clinical diagnosis can be categorized into two primary methods of energetic examination and treatment: Sensory Diagnosis and Intuitive and Perceptual Diagnosis. The clinical methods of Sensory Diagnosis are quite prevalent throughout China, especially within the acupuncture, massage, and herbal clinics. The methods of Intuitive or Perceptual Diagnosis, however, have been kept secret for many years, and are primarily found only within the Medical Qigong clinics. pg. 465

He goes on to describe some of the sensory diagnosis methods (looking, listening, touching, smelling, questioning) before discussing the intuitive methods.

 

There are other dimensions of reality that are very tangible, and access to them is only limited by fear and ignorance. Since theories on the nature of the mind and spirit cannot be easily verified or disproved by intellectual analysis or scientific experiment, sometimes certain kinds of knowledge are disbelieved, ridiculed, and dismissed. The advanced energy theories that are presented in this textbook are based upon the five thousand years of cultivation and experience of Chinese medical healing.

 

The energetic form of Qi is neither good nor evil, it is simply another aspect of matter. The ancient Chinese Qigong masters refined the ability to analyze and diagnose these different forms of energy into an effective healing modality.

 

pg. 470

In order to become capable with intuitive diagnosis, the qigong doctor must, according to Johnson, go through an initiatory process he calls 'the awakening.'

THE AWAKENING

 

For the Qigong doctor to understand spiritual insights, three phases of energetic transformation must first be experienced. These three phases are collectively known as "the awakening" and are described as follows.

 

1. The awakening describes the beginning phase or "opening" of the Qigong doctors' Mind and Spirit to their energetic potential. This acceptance becomes rooted within the doctors' intention, emotion, and thought, and sets into motion the correct vibrational field for accessing their higher consciousness.

 

2. Entering the inner sanctuary describes the phase wherein Qigong doctors begin to receive greater clarity of mind and an elevated consciousness. The doctors receive information on a multidimensional level and are now able to access, as well as better understand their inner core being. This sets into motion the Qigong doctors' understanding of their interconnectedness to everything in the universe. At this point, the doctors must accept responsibility for their actions and non-actions.

 

3. Accessing the Wuji through the Creative Subconscious Mind describes the Qigong doctors' ability to access and reprogram their Mind and core vibration. This sets into motion the doctors' personal contact with their higher self, or Eternal Soul.

 

pg. 471

Finally, he asserts that being in the right "state of consciousness" is more important than any method when it comes to intuitive diagnosis.

The state of consciousness in which the doctor listens and feels the patient is more important than the technique or modality used. This is why there are so many diagnostic tools available to assist doctors in their evaluation. The patient's body maintains the energetic pattern of trauma until it is released and dispersed. The amount of energy required to neutralize this traumatic charge and return the tissues back to their normal state is in direct proportion to the intensity of the original trauma.

 

pg. 472

He goes on to describe some intuitive methods later in that chapter.

TL/DR?

Just read the first line of the last quote: "The state of consciousness in which the doctor listens and feels the patient is more important than the technique or modality used."

According to Jerry Alan Johnson's book Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy, developing a relationship to source/the light is the single most important requirement for diagnosing and healing a patient. Once you've done that, you become a conduit for source/the light to do its work.

There's a looooooot more to the divine hookup, and three invocations than a very powerful prayer/spoken words.

If you say so. I've tried both and I think the same effect can be accomplished with either method.

I'm sooo gonna come troll it .

Ditto.

Or I might just do one of these:

The divine hookup is very personal. Judging by the fact that *I* in particular do it, and have been taught it by them...... shows that it most definitely can and should be (with the proper guidelines in mind) customized . (I'm neither Christian nor Daoist).

 

Though unless you are really clear on what each bit does and why, best to not go changing things more than a word or two for the "divine" part. (yes obviously adding in some prayer of your tradition Green Tiger sounds good, and I do as well).

I learned healing from another tradition, but I've found that there are a lot of similarities with Johnson's stuff.

They actually seem to combine the divine hookup, rooting the light, and invocations into one simple sentence: "May the will of the light be done." While I think it has been a good exercise for me to differentiate them a little more and understand the importance of each individual step and associated goal, I think all three can be accomplished with that one sentence.

Here is verse 84

 

 

Following the way is a sacred path.

It has been sacred since the very beginning and shall be at the very end.

Following the way requires strength.

Not just physical but mental and spiritual too.

 

The sacred path was called by the Ancient Masters 'Daoist Heart'.

 

Many start on the path with wrong beginnings.

Many start on the path for the wrong reasons.

Many start on the path for fame and fortune.

But only very few make themselves like trees.

Stretching forth to Heaven with an open and humble heart, the way becomes clearer to such men.

 

That which goes against the Dao will never last.

The first 8 lines are pretty abstract, but I really like the tree image in 9 and 10.

Have you actually participated in the program and performed it? Or only read about it?

 

I have studied under a Qigong master prior to going to JAJ program... and I was taught the "Divine Hookup"... and used it in clinicals... and since have studied again further with others.

 

Do you know why a national program would provide a simple and safe and easily re-produced set? Do you know the liability which comes with such programs?

 

Why is this useful as a national program teaching?

 

And when does one actually decide whether for themselves this is useful or necessary?

 

I will tell you my experience.

 

As a national program, I get it. It is a safe method to teach everyone and anyone. Just follow it. No need to think.

 

I like aspects of it and what it aims to do... but it is not necessary.

 

The divine hookup is within you; not by rote steps. Rote steps are to help people get there... if your there, you smile at an instruction to: Left foot step; right foot step.

 

There is a place for it and as part of an eclectic practice there is much to use... from this and from everyone you learn energy work from.

 

Build your own system. Be your own person. Connect under your Way...

 

That is just my experience.

Yeah, I dig that. He was basically giving a generic template by which to practice. In my personal practice, my divine hookup involves Catholic prayers. I wouldn't necessarily teach it that way, if I were inclined to teach, but they hold personal significance to me, so they are powerful.

In his example invocation for the divine hookup, which I did not quote, he uses language that sounds very Christian, but he doesn't ever specifically reference Jesus.

My point was to show Flowing Hands that not everything Johnson teaches is Jesus-centric. I think he has a very sophisticated approach. Perhaps I didn't do the best job of illustrating that point.

Actually, that's not what makes someone a shaman. Shamans serve communities. Sorcerers serve themselves. Shaman is a job description, not a talent/ability description.

Well, however we slice it, Flowing Hands was criticizing Johnson for some comment he made about Jesus and waxing all "the tao is emptiness, only emptiness and nothing but emptiness" and basically saying that anything and everything Johnson taught was invalidated by his hangup on Jesus.

I was just hazarding a guess that he's admired some sage or other himself. Perhaps even invoked? Canoodled with? I dunno.

He has an entire book on mudras.

 

I think there are a few in his medical qigong books, I'd guess book 2, but nothing like the entire book on them. There's also some interesting advanced 1-10 versions with... stuff you do with your hands, don't recall the proper term for it..... Think a few are covered in the neigong book too.

 

Obviously I need to reread his stuff .

There's more than one version of the 1-10 meditation? I was not aware of that. I think I only know the basic 1-10 meditation. What book are the others in?

 

I'm sorry if my original post was unclear. I have emphasized relevant passages below:

 

 

all of his Daoist Magic books: When I said all of his Daoist Magic books that included Daoist Internal Alchemy at the time of posting. I believe I got it sometime in the preceding summer.

 

In terms of his previous books there is a lot of material that is 'new', by which I mean that he has not written about it in his other books, though I have known about or worked with some of it for a long time.: This passage is in reference to Daoist Internal Alchemy. Several items that he mentions have appeared in the scholarly literature, in this case I am referring to Livia Kohn's Daoist Experience: An Anthology. I have used her material as well as others as the basis of my own work and investigation for quite some time. Jerry Alan Johnson's own use of them includes other material which is not in the scholarly literature. Some other material I learned before Jerry Alan Johnson, having studied with Sifu Michael Alan Brown about forty years ago. These are the exercises described beginning on p. 240.

 

Jerry Alan Johnson's Daoist internal Alchemy is a thick, densely packed book which will overwhelm a person who does not have a satisfactory background. I remain with my original recommendation, which is to start with his medical Qigong books, which contain much useful information including insight into mantra, mudra and other important aspects of Daoist magical training, which is developed in his other Daoist Magic books. I remain with my advice that:

 

Guide to Buying the Daoist Magic series

 

is an excellent guide.

I already have his original Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy text and also The Essence of Internal Martial Arts volumes 1 and 2. For my purposes, I think that's all I need so far as his books are concerned.

Which volume contains the info on mantra and mudra? I'd have to take a look at the CMQT book I have, but I don't remember any chapters on mantra or mudra. There were chapters covering Dao Yin postural training and healing sounds, is that what you're talking about?

I would agree that the Dao Yin training sections from CMQT would be good for people to start with. I'm not sure which volume of his new medical qigong books contain that info.

You must have missed most of his posts on TTBs .

Yeah, I just looked at the website in his signature. Something tells me I didn't miss much.

I think it helps to be more familiar with Jerry's larger body of work before making assumptions about his beliefs.

For instance, in Jerry's medical qigong text he describes a preparatory step he calls the 'divine hookup'. At that point the medical qigong practitioner is instructed to link up with the "divine" or "divine healing light." Not with Jesus, mind, but with a more ambiguous concept of divinity.

THE DIVINE HOOK-UP

 

Once the doctor has established energetic grounding, the next step in establishing a clinical environment is to connect with his or her spiritual center through the divine hook-up. From this spiritual center the Qigong doctor observes the patient, void of personal thoughts, feelings, and judgments. This spiritual state of open receptivity allows patients to feel secure and to release their guarded emotions. Lacking a safe environment, patients may feel the need to repress emotions or to be distracted from experiencing and letting go of the original trauma.

 

The Qigong doctor, once healing has begun, enters into a state of "oneness" with the patient and the divine, in which the doctor's will and intention envelops and fuses together with the divine will and wisdom. Both doctor and patient begin to communicate through deep subconscious interactions. The doctor's success or effectiveness as a Qigong healer depends on a willingness and ability to connect with the patient and the divine healing light. Drawing from this interpersonal communication with the patient, and the deep spiritual connection with the divine, the doctor begins the treatment. According to Dr. Meng XianTong of the Beijing Chengjian Integrated Traditional Chinese Medicine and Western Medicine Experts Clinic, when Qigong doctors perform the divine hook-up, they increase their own body's Righteous Qi, which then extends the energetic Message encoded in their Qi into the patient's body. The doctor's Righteous Qi is then absorbed by the patient's body and fused together with his or her Qi. This fusion empowers the patient to heal his or her disease.

 

Before contact with any patient the doctor first connects with the divine to purify and stabilize, not only him or herself, but also the treatment room (with a constant flow of Heavenly Qi pouring into the room). This divine hook-up enables the Qigong doctor to not only establish a sacred healing space, but also to access both spiritual insights and divine healing power.

 

Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy, pg. 506

That was 1/2 year ago- did you get his Daoist Alchemy book?

I definitely think it'd be up your alley, SotG. You might want to clear your schedule for a few weeks if you buy it, though.

Hi Joeblast, I was just re reading this and realised that some gross unfairness has gone on in this post.

h.uriah makes some nasty comments about being the apprentice of the Monkey King etc. and certain members here particularly Athereous and Green tiger jump on my back for me mimicking the jibes certain people made when I make a pertinent point about Daoist cultivation. As a Daoist who has been under a traditional master for 32 years and that master being enlightened, I have no need for Jerry Johsons book and I would certainly not pay the money he's asking for it. I'll go back to my original point which if any of these Jerry Johson sycophants knew anything about cultivation, would realise that you are aiming to have nothing in your heart other than the Dao when cultivating and you can't call it anything else.

 

For further tips on Daoist alchemy and cultivation see chapter 83 of the DDJ new verses.

You call yourself a shaman. Have you ever invoked a spirit? Called upon a deity?

The last King of New England. I personally feel more enslaved by the economy than the government. Although the government has two heavy hands in the economy, so I guess they're one in the same.

Maybe the astral emanations from the heart valves...but it was not the physical sound of the heartbeat. I'm familiar with that - it was either the astral sounds of one of the psychic centres or i'm going with the umpar band!

What does insanity sound like? To me it sounds kind of like a cross between a running refrigerator and an alarm clock.

Thanks for the heads up! Noticed he's doing a seminar in Minn. (I hope that means Minneapolis) April 11-13. Thinking I may want to check that out . . .