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You would like to have that power? What you censored went down the memory hole. I read 1984 when I was very young and it left a lasting impression.

Therapy can help.

Cat felt it necessary to delete words that are offensive to a few thin skinned readers. She claimed that this deletion did in no way change the meaning of the post. I disagree. This action changes the intent and context of the statement. Cat should know better than to take this action and send certain terms down "the memory hole!"

 

Censorship has no place in a free society and leads to a slippery slope!

 

 

 

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Heh heh. The memory hole?

Do I have access to that? Wowser. SO much I could do...

Spiffingness !

thankyou, j.fachao:)

It's nothing but the desire to solidify the lower self into a higher concept or arena, it's as much an illusion and relative as the lower self. There is no ultimate self, either individually or universally. Theisms will have you think otherwise. So, I don't bother with Theisms.

ah, this is why you are being criticised...

I wonder what you are thinking is practically helpful or inspiring about this post of yours, in this context.

Do you believe it is the most useful thing that you have to contribute, in an area where people are looking to extend themselves beyond their usual parameters and put a toe into a transpersonal water?

Wasnt it you saying earlier about teachers giving teachings when the pupils are ready....

Who needs to know here that you dont 'bother' with theisms? You, the theisms, or us, or you..

Are you beginning to inhabit the role assigned for you by some here at tb's?

 

 

The caveat there is that, the more you know women, the less you'll be able to know a woman. That your preconceived notions will get in the way with you relating to her, because you'll see your notions rather than find out about her.

 

 

John

tb 'relationship' post of the decade, right there.

where's the 'applause' emoticon?

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Hi Gerard.

Do you see a little triangle on the lower left side of each post which say says "report" on it?

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I am only 12

You quite impressive, then.

Anyone here like to write up their own 'experience' of emptiness, attempt a description of, in retrospect?

I like personal accounts of things.

Hi Friends,

 

I am sure many of you are familiar with the idea from taoist alchemy of a spiritual embryo which one grows and nurtures.

 

Try to imagine this would one day come true / work out for you and it turned out that it had a personality of its own.

 

What would you do about it? Would you set it free like one sets ones children free (as their own agents) or would you do something else?

 

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and ideas!

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What is personality?

Who would 'you' be, in relation to 'it'?

Hi,

 

Yep I started by joining in but all my recent sessions have been moderation activity thanks to certain other threads - I'll try to get back to it.

thanks for being such a good mod, Apech.

guys.. Firefox with Adblock!

I think is a great question, Hardyg.

Cat, I read up on Ho'oponopono and there's the claim that things your perceive in the outside (like the example with mentally ill criminals) can only be changed in yourself (like the healer did in order to cure the mentally ill people), seeing you as the cause. But this has an inherent contradiction, because the criminals didn't heal themselves. They simply were like they were, and someone else healed them. That's why I think that kind of view on the world is too general. The healer definitely has had a past that enabled him to do his healing work very effectively. But there are other distance-healers who use other approaches, like simply wishing it to become true.

The claim connected to that you are causing everything that happens in the world and thus it's your responsiblity surely is very attractive to powerful people of all sorts (be it healing power or egoic influence). Let a rich powerbroker believe that the whole world is his responsiblity and he might become megalomaniac, because he has the power to actually influence the whole world. The same goes for a very skilled spiritual healer. But try to apply this to a homeless person or someone who just started dealing with spirituality, then it might become clear that it's actually power that matters, and the power is then wrapped in fancy doctrines and concepts. Just like wannabe world rulers do. They can't simply have that kind of power, they also need a mystical justification for it.

 

This is in some parts rant-quality, so don't take every detail as my conviction.

Hi Hardyg,

I havent read that piece you have mentioned. The idea as you know is that we are all on the same energetic web, that we all contribute to the field, that we can all make a difference.

It wouldnt be possible to practice Ho'oponopono sincerely and also be a megalomaniac.. the will to power would ebb away as the feelings of compassion rise.

You dont sound as though you are on a rant, but that you are thinking about the feelings of powerlessness that we feel and how some claim power in massive amounts and get drunk with it... Wannabe world rulers who need a mystical justification for it..yes.. atrocious sophistry... we cant 'hide' ideas though, in case they be misappropriated, once they are in the public domain.. we simply have to live in the 'reality' we create together, as best we can.

The homeless person would be more likely to be helped by an Ho'oponopono practitioner, who has cultivated loving kindness, than just be told "it's your fault you are homeless'... the latter response is a 'head' one from someone who has swallowed whole a concept of 'self - responsibility' and not digested it. The practitioner would have a more evolved heart which would prompt her/him to hold out a hand to a fellow human on the web, on their way.

It is interesting about someone else doing the healing.. so many healers say they cannot heal, they can only facilitate a situation in which someone can choose to heal.. ime this is true. Those determined to stay sick, will hold on tight to their patterning. But this isnt a rant either.. I'd love to believe in long term healing being done which overcomes resistances.

the sex center works with a very fine energy, which is all to often stolen and used wrongly by the other centers. Various mechanical, useless behaviors are associated with the theft of sex energy by the emotional and moving and intellectual centers: political persecution, religious fanaticism, obsessions with sport, and so forth. The sex center is more than just an organic sexual function. Fine sexual energy can used for spiritual transmutation.

 

-Gurdjeif.

 

Non is right. There are billions of sleeping and very misbehaving people out there.

This is the important point.

I think this is why we get so many males turning up at tb and posting about how to change their sexual energy, and so many more than ever post, just browsing here, working on how to change their sexual energy. And this is what the Karezza site is about too. People know their sexuality needs something refreshing and clearing, but they arent sure what..

If tb can help articulate this, to voice it, then this is for the good of all.

One of the best psychotherapeutic retorts to a sexually dysfunctional client that I ever came across was "Your sexuality is not soup".. the point being that everything gets chucked into 'sexuality' ie anger, frustration, thwarted needs, psychological complexes, need for regression.... sexuality is heedlessly given all of these feelings to carry, and it buckles under the strain and loses its purity and revivifying nature, and becomes tainted to the extreme levels that we know about today with porn addiction being so much the norm.

When 'sex' becomes nothing more than a vehicle for relieving circular neuroses the real life force is left languishing, the whole being is out of harmony and deeply unhappy. Hence the compensatory obsessions.

In what sense does it signify to seek to make a distinction "it is self" or "it is other" ?

You experience a level of energy and intervention and phenomena which is not voluntarily yours or recognised by your psyche as containing your signature or pertaining to your will or wishes. It creates distress, it is a saboteur.

There are methods of shifting this, many methods, stemming from many different cultures and belief systems.

All of them work to shift energy.

Prayer: contacting soul and spirit combined and beseeching for aid.

Psychotherapy, to heal the mind, ie that which determines in what way we manifest.

Feng Shui to redirect energy in our environment so that we are not moving in muddy soup.

Shamanic practices to collect negative energy and expel it or cleanse it, or restore lost energy.

The psychological approach to energy manifestations.... is that your mind is not separate from anything you experience, if you free your mind, your soul and spirit and your energy field in its entirety will shift, this may be what is needed to shake off negative energy, whether it is your own projection, your own karma, or something attached to you from without.

Free your mind, free yourself.

And you can do this via Ho'oponopono and the other suggestions given to you,which are wholistic suggestions, working on you in your entirety, your karma, your psyche, your environment, your soul, your spirit.

bodyoflight:

Hundun, i have a question.. do you have a problem with students whose might have greater potential and higher intelligence than you?

 

... to this date i have yet to meet a student whose intellect rivaled my own, but i'm always looking. as far as natural talent, i've had 3 so far whose natural potential exceeded mine. two of them were women, and they both dropped out. both lacked consistency and were too averse to discomfort. but the other guy is a BEAST!

I think it is true to say that students seek the very teachers that outreach their current position,and inspire them, and when they exceed them they know they have shifted and will move on,to find a teacher that has outstripped them and encourage them onward and upward again.

I wouldnt give two shakes of piss ( new phrase for me, de_paradise, thanks...) for a teacher who I didnt feel had a subtlety of grasp that exceeded mine,and I reckon this is the usual position.

Finding a teacher that fits is an education in itself.

I am curious but never concerned about where anyone else is along their path. It is never my prerogative to tell others what they should or should not do. I give them options maybe even some warnings then send them along their way.

 

But there are some in here who dispenses advice with the attitude that they are the sole authorities on what's right or what's wrong. It sickens me.

Yes, I know what you mean. (I'm sorry if I ever write like that or come across like that.) I wouldnt like it either. I cant stand being patronised by people I see as closed minded, either.

I reckon that the 'sole authority' complex is easy to fall into, and it's very helpful of you to draw it to our attention. It is nauseating when it is smug and condescending, particularly.

There has to be some place of ground on which one can stand and say what one has found to be true, though.

Women still get hot over violence and aggression.

Lets speak hypothetically and assume a worst case scenario : that all women are mentally ill and get sexually aroused by men being violent and aggressive.

What's the next step?

Should we talk about it a lot and keep saying "OH NOES!!!"?

I dont mean to be dominant here, oh hold on, yes, I do... because I'm wondering what the point of this endless chat is.

Is the purpose of it to turn men off women and encourage them to turn gay or be celibate or just masturbate a lot?

Suppose everyone on the board agreed with you, Non, and said, "YES!! my girlfriend makes me watch dogfights as foreplay!!!"

What then?

You want to start a peace awareness campaign for womens sexuality, so that women can get hot for men who are sitting quietly reading or lying on the floor playing with the cat?

or what?!

This explains why Eddie Izzard is so loved by women. It's his violent coloured lipstick.

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