Gauss

Whats the matter Gauss, no reply for me?

 

Is it because I read the book and practised for a couple of years, and got good results, and recognised the negative cultish Elements within the movement?

 

But Really, trying to use old Prophits to Validate Falun is just Lame. Especially when most of them are already wrong/out of date.

 

Have you actually read Nostradamus? I have and his stuff is plain and simple wrong or no longer happening. been out for a long time too...

Look up Swedenborg's prophecies, and you will find his prophecies are to do with the return of Christ, not in the flesh but in the spirit, and he returned in 1775 so I have to say Li is a bit late...

 

But really, can you even think for your self any more or do you just Parrot what Li and your Cult tells you?

 

Now, show me the bit in the Bible and in the Buddhist scriptures which predict Falun?

I will bet you the context is completely different to Li's interpretation.

 

And you are yet to explain to me the massive 3rd eye oversight of Li with the Chinese governments reaction to his political stunt. How? you mean Isn't his 3rd eye on like super cosmic steroids? how can he have not predicted something so obvious?

 

Seth

 

I will reply to you when I find the time.

 

As for Swedenborg, he certainly did not talk about Christ´s return, he spoke of Master Li(the Lord of Lords) coming down here on earth creating the "New Church" and eliminating all the old religions that have now become corrupted(Swedenborg referred to the Christian church as the beast in the bible scriptures, especially the Catholic church(with the Jesuit order) was pinpointed) after a few millenia. Swedenborg´s scriptures are orthodox and excellent and I give you some quotes from him about Dafa:

 

“I have spoken with spirits and angels who came from there(China), and they said that they possess a Word, and have from ancient times; and that their divine worship is performed according to this Word, which consists of pure correspondences... They said that they worship Jehovah, some as an invisible, and some as a visible God. Moreover they said that they do not permit foreigners to come among them, except the Chinese, with whom they cultivate peace, because the emperor of China is from their country... Seek for it in China, and perhaps you will find it there among the Tartars.”

”Arcana, Vol. 2, No. 1 (1995)”

 

- Dafa(New Church/Jerusalem) will originate out of China, the center of the earth.

 

“He persecuted the woman that brought forth the male, signifies that those who are meant by "the dragon" would from hatred and enmity reject and revile the church which is the New Jerusalem, because it has the doctrine of life. This is evident from the signification of "persecuting," as being, in reference to those who are meant by "the dragon," to reject and revile from hatred and enmity (of which presently); also from the signification of "the woman," as being the church that is called the New Jerusalem (of which above, n. 707, 721, 730); also from the signification of "the male," as being the doctrine of that church, which is the doctrine of life (see above, n. 724, 725). From this it is clear that "the dragon persecuting the woman that brought forth the male" signifies that those who are meant by the dragon will from hatred and enmity reject and revile the church which is the New Jerusalem, because it has the doctrine of life.”

“Apocalypse Explained”

 

 

- Dafa disciples will be persecuted by the CCP(the Dragon) because the CCP is so jealous of Falun Dafa(which has the doctrine of life).

 

It is an absolute necessity that God should manifest Himself, and thereby cause Himself to be acknowledged, and after acknowledgment should inspire man with His Divine influence, and by this, received in the heart, lead him at length even to Himself in heaven; all which cannot possibly be effected except by instruction. Must not also an emperor, and a king, first cause himself to be acknowledged and crowned, before he enters on his government?

“True Christian religion”

 

 

- An orthodox cultivation school must have an orthodox theoretical base, Master Li has spread his Fa(Law theory) across the world, all information is for free.

 

“This coming of the lord which is his second coming, is taking place in order that the evil may be separated from the good, and that those who have believed and do believe in him, may be saved, and that from them a new angelic heaven and a new church on earth may be formed; and without this, no flesh could be saved.”

“True Christian religion”

 

- This period of time is meant to give people a chance to recognize where the future is. Swedenborg says that true disciples will go to heaven at judgment day and good people who believe in Truth, Compassion, Forbearance will be saved and form a new church on earth.

 

“This second coming of the lord is effected by means of a man to whom the Lord has manifested himself in person, and whom he has filled with his spirit, that he may teach the doctrines of the New Church from the Lord by means of the word.”

“True Christian religion”

 

 

“He(the Lord) will not come to destroy the visible heaven and the habitable earth (ibid., n. 768 seq.); but to separate the evil from the good.”

“Invitation to the “New Church”

 

“This second coming of the lord is effected by means of a man to whom the Lord has manifested himself in person, and whom he has filled with his spirit, that he may teach the doctrines of the New Church from the Lord by means of the word.”

“True Christian religion”

 

 

“He will do this by means of a man, who is able not only to receive these doctrines in his understanding but also to publish them by the press.”

“True Christian religion”

 

- In these quotes we see Master Li being incarnated as a man of flesh and blood for the purpose of completing the Fa-rectification and saving people. He will write the scriptures by himself and spread them by the press across the world.

 

“It is in accordance with Divine order that a new heaven should be formed before a new church is established on earth, for the church is both internal and external.”

“True Christian religion”

 

- During the Fa-rectification higher dimensions are rectified before the earth is rectified, the earth is the bottom dimension in the universe.

 

“Of that ancient Word which existed in Asia before the Israelitish Word, I am permitted to state this new thing, namely, that it is still preserved there among the people who dwell in Great Tartary.” “The angels and spirits from Great Tartary are seen in the southern quarter on its eastern side, and are separated from others by dwelling in a higher expanse, and by their not permitting anyone to come to them from the Christian world, or, if any ascend, by guarding them to prevent their return. Their possessing a different Word is the cause of this separation.”

“True Christian religion”

 

- Swedenborg always emphasized China as the center of the world and their language being semidivine and therefore the Lord would spread his teachings from that country where the highest wisdom on earth exists. The people with the highest inborn quality seems to come from China or Asia and therefore they reach higher levels of heaven(Gong levels) than other people.

It's interesting that your first real convert was/is someone who is very insecure, gullible and mentally unstable, no? (see (remember) my earlier appraisal of Falun adepts on another thread). When Li Hongzhi is meditating on the infinite in a Chinese prison (which shouldn't be hard for god, yeah?, even with the torture) and takes the rap for the harm he has caused his "followers" by making them be yet another political battering ram against yet another Chinese dictatorship, I'll consider him a worthy man. You know that guy is going straight to hell don't you? Paul

 

"My" first "convert" does not exist, I have no "converts" anywhere in this world and will never have any. To save a person is another thing, that means an everyday person likes the principle of Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance and hence thinks Falun Dafa is good. That person is going to become a good person and good persons will always have a future.

 

If a person wants to cultivate is a completely different issue and he or she can only do it by him or herself from the bottom of their hearts. That effort is done by the person herself, nobody can do cultivation for another person and the Gong level they reach is all depending on how much effort they put in and which inborn quality(xinxing level and karma/virtue level) they started out with.

 

In genuine cultivation eliminate attachments, desires, emotions, karma, bad thoughts, emotions etc to make your true benevolent self emerge. That is true cultivation and it is harder than anything asked from everyday people. Imagine an everyday person, he is bound to have dozens or hundreds of attachments that generate alot of karma for him every day. Even if he works very hard physically with his Qi Gong and suffers alot during his exercises he can not decrease his karma until his attachments are eliminated and he stops generating new karma every day. For an everyday oerson illnesses occur to try and balance his karma from overflowing.

 

At my wisdom level this is a key issue in genuine cultivation. First get rid of your karma generating attachments, then exercise your body well and by that time your karma will be eliminated for good and you will raise your Gong level and reach the heavens. This is common sense and probably appeals to many good people.

 

 

That means nobody can or will be "recruited" to Dafa and nobody will become a genuine Dafa disciple unless they work very hard on themselves and cultivate their mind/moral character(xinxing cultivation) on their own in daily life. Always think about others first before doing anything.

 

Only doing the Dafa exercises will not make you a Dafa disciple. No shortcuts, no "membership", "money" etc will do it for you, , only hard work and raising your xinxing level can raise your Gong level - this is the real secret of genuine cultivation at my wisdom level.

 

A typical day for a Dafa cultivator means getting up at 4 or 5 am, practice one or two hours, then take care of your family(if you have one), go to work, get back home, have dinner, put the kids to bed, read the scriptures and try to think through which are your remaining attachments to eliminate. Sending righteous thoughts to eliminate external interference in other dimensions is also a key issue.

 

Were the early Christians not persecuted for 300 years, were not Sakyamuni and his disciples persecuted heavily?

 

Every time an orthodox teaching is presented there is bound to be a major test of the disciples as has happened in China and it was predestined since ages. We all know the CCP has too many agents sitting on the Internet spreading superficial disinformation about Dafa being a cult etc. Never mind, those people doing that are truly pitiful.

 

Many people might buy into the disinfo but not those people who doublecheck facts for themselves and try the exercises and read the book.

 

Master Li should never sit in a CCP jail. The CCP is a dictatorship and nobody should accept their evil arrangements.

 

What Master Li has done for his disciples is fantastic and each genuine disciple lacks words to thank him for what he has done.

 

There are too many stories among cultivators sitting in Lotus position seeing Master being cut open to bleed when he eliminates his disciples karma pieces, then quickly healing the wound before taking a new cut from a new piece of karma. All of this happening in other dimensions of course. Who can do something like that?..

Please read my recent post on authoritarian systems and power. Falun Dafa is a top down thinking organization created by Li Hongzhi. He claims infallible authority and has exclusive power in the transmission of the teachings. By popular definition that is a cult. Academic sociologists would classify Falun Dafa as a new religious movement.

 

Dafa is no more the future than any other mass movement. True believers are always distracted by the movement.

 

ralis

 

 

All orthodox religions have a Master who present the teachings and still the orthodox religions are no cults.

The ONLY difference is that Master Li Hongzhi is still alive while spreading his teachings and doing the scriptures himself. All the orthodox religions were started by everyday people after the Master had passed away(Jesus, Buddha Sakyamuni etc). That made these religions go wrong since the everyday people misinterpreted the real teachings. It also shows us how incredibly strong Master Li is, even compared to the old religious icons.

 

Remember, Falun Dafa is not an everyday phenomenon like you seem to imply in your analysis.

 

All people who talk about Dafa without even reading the book or trying the exercises are talking about things they absolutely have no clue about. Dafa is supernormal and many people can not believe it until they experience it.

 

No matter whether we look at the Bible, the Buddhist scriptures, Nostradamus, Swedenborg, Ge An, the Asatro etc etc. They all predicted Falun Dafa to take over this world at Judgment Day. They mentioned it with all kinds of signs like the eastern Kings, the turning wheel from the east, "Li the God - He who comes from the east with knives and swords to rectify the world", the Udumbara flower prophecy, the 200 million horsemen, the 1999 CCP persecution of Good by the Dragon etc etc.

 

Just look at the world with open eyes and an open mind, is anything that happens a coincidence? Is your life not planned by a higher being?

 

Is dafa rising up now a coincidence? This world is bad and immoral and it needs Truth-Compassion-Forbearance and it is going to get it no matter what some people think.

 

There are dimensions much higher(and more microscopic) than ours and the beings in charge there can do whatever they want to us down here. They want us to be truthful, compassionate and forbearing because that is the ultimate law of this universe.

 

Falun Dafa is a cult. A good Buddhist school or Taoist school will take you Far, Far, Far further.

 

Watch out for all the black and white exclusivness in the book as you read it. Notice the things that say will turn you or your friends into 'Evil' practitioners...

Beware....

 

lol

 

Seth.

 

Your reply seems to carry negative energy. Would you mind telling us how Falun Dafa can be a cult when there is no membership, no money, no organization, no worshipping and no buildings? And 100 million cultivators mean that the sum total of Dafa cultivators probably is 10 times more than all other orthodox schools put together.. Something must be very right about Zhen-Shan-Ren or else so many people would not do it.

 

Dafa is something about you yourself raising your Gong level as you are becoming a better and better person in daily life and decreasing your karma as you go forward, hard but possible. Melanie, I congratulate you if you already can see the Falun, it is great news for you. I can tell you your kids can reach levels unimaginable if they start doing just a tiny bit of cultivation.

 

Dafa is the future of this world.

Hi there!

 

Do NOT give up. I was almost dead for 27 months, no sexual energy, chronic fatigue, chronic stomach disease, hormone deficiency, pimps all over my back, underweight etc etc...

 

Try Falun Dafa and see what happens.

 

Start by reading this book Zhuan Falun:

 

http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html

 

Then do the exercises:

 

http://www.falundafa.org/bul/audio-video/audiovideo_video.html

 

 

Unless you are hopelessly ill with massive amounts of karma it will help you if you believe in it. The practice is just beyond anything in my opinion - for those who want to raise their level with a professional attitude towards cultivation and improving their ethical, moral character(xinxing).

Welcome!

 

I recommend you try Falun Dafa.

 

Read the book Zhuan Falun: http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html

 

Exercises: http://www.falundafa.org/bul/audio-video/audiovideo_video.html

 

 

PS: I had incurred demon posession from my old Qi Gong practice and after I started in FD they were all eliminated. So the FD practice(the Falun or Fashen will do it) will clean up your body if you want to become a genuine FD cultivator and have the predestined connection.

For how many minutes does this pain-free state last then?

 

 

Between 10-15 minutes is the full effect and then a mild pain enters, the "bird-position gives the maximum effect in "pain-off state" like being in an egg, I will experiment with a deeper posture soon, it seems like the effect from "pain off" is bigger the deeper position I use.

 

My current problem is that over time(10-15 minutes) my left leg slides down from its deep position on the right leg unless I correct it with force.

Welcome!

 

 

I used t otry eveyrthing and then I tried Falun Dafa and have sticked to that ever since. Not an easy practice but it is free of charge, has a real Master and gives tremendous progress in terms of Gong level.

 

You might be interested in reading this book - Zhuan Falun: http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html - indeed not the average book about life and self-cultivation at the high level.

My recent experience is exhilarating.

 

I always had excess pain while doing the full lotus position. Recently, after sitting for about 3-4 minutes in double Lotus the pain suddenly leaves my body and I am set free without any pain(almost).

 

The feeling is beyond anything I felt before and I can sit for a very long time without any special pain. As if my previous excess karma has been eradicated(after suffering hardships). It feels like flying and my head is spinning etc.

 

Even more strange is that half Lotus gives me alot more pain than full Lotus, hence I only do full Lotus now. The body transformation in Falun Dafa demands full Lotus too and I feel magnitudes of difference in the strength of body transformation between the two poses. In full Lotus the energy flow is massive, like a warm water flow circulating around my body.

My cultivation goal is consummation.

 

By consummation I mean going back to my original place in the cosmos where I once was born and where all my family waits for my return. My original home is outside the three realms(the area of the nine planets) and therefore I must reach at least Arhat status in my cultivation to be able to go back home.

 

I cultivate in Falun Dafa and therefore my Gong level is rising quickly, however I feel that my level must be raised very rapidly to be able to make it out of the three realms in time(Fa-rectification process is soon over). At the same time I must help many other people and take good care of my family. If I make it out of the three realms my near relatives will be sent up to a high level too so they cross their fingers for my success.

 

When I have consummated I will be in perfect balance again.

If you are cultivating at a certain level does that mean you don't progress at a certain point?

 

It all depends on you yourself, if you can raise your xinxing level(virtue, endurance, tolerance, ability to let go etc) your Gong level will go up. Until you reach your consummation level that is, after that your level is fixed and you will leave this place(that takes a long time to achieve). My personal understanding is that the quality of your virtue field(how fine-grained your virtue field is) decides your original consummation level. That means how microscopic you can go in your cultivation, the more microscopic the higher level you have.

 

Please, just read the book and try the exercises without notions, those troubles of yours will be gone soon I expect if you do these simple things. I have seen too many people like you at the practice site, if they have predestination they will get the message in no time. Since you came to this great forum there is a good reason...

Pardon me, I'm up late ranting pseudointellectual psychobabble again. I'm off.

 

Back on topic, please. About how, er... a Chakravartin Wheel-Turning Emperor of the universe is here on earth.

 

Sounds like a good plan..

I am a true agnostic, and thereby I do not understand Religious Teachings such as :

 

- Bhuddism : all Life is suffering and the main goal is to be free from suffering...

- Christianity : all Life is sinful and the main goal is to accept He that died for all the sinners...

- Islam : all Life is rejecting all other Religions and the main goal is to live by the Koran...

Etc....

 

By the way : the word religion is from a Latin term : " relegere "

which means to carefully take another look

 

Can you then tell me if you agree with the message of the celestial flower?

And should earthly flowers stay in their habitat?

 

3deedit

 

 

About Christianity and Buddhism I can only say that True Christianity(during Jesus days and a few hundred years afte his demise) was completely different from modern Church christianity(more corrupted than most other religions, ie using "faith is everything" as an excuse for taking away all the power from the people). I believe Buddhism and Christianity were similar, originally. However, Buddhism has a higher level than Christianity although corrupted too in modern times.

 

Since the Bible is an upright document just like the Buddhist Tipitaka and both point to the Udumbara flower when the Lord of Lords has come down, I say yes I believe the prophecy has come true, he is here.

There is no need to cultivate the self it exists whether you see it or not.

 

Well, in my opinion, maybe first of all you need to eliminate your karmic shell of postnatal bad thoughts, karma, bad notions and external interference.

 

If you do that your true benevolent self can emerge and break through the shell of karma surrounding your true virtuous self. Of course doing good deeds to increase your virtue field is also a good thing.

 

Your karmic self is your real enemy, just eliminate it. That is what self-cultivation is about at my level of wisdom.

Yes, I suppose you could say I am searching for the meaning of life, however, I would rather do this as a lay then a monk, otherwise I feel I would be dishonoring my parents. From what I read though, isn't Tao more in tune with nature, rather than Buddhism which seeks to separate from it? There are a lot of similiar practices between them, so how do you draw the line between separating yourself from nature, and being in harmony with nature?

 

I can tell you that in Falun Dafa(belongs to Buddha Fa Qi Gong school, including Taoism etc) you cultivate in everyday society, keep a job, a family and stay normal. That is one of the main advantages of Falun Dafa as I see it. It also makes you very strong since you have all the temptations around you but manage to ignore all of it and rise up from the dirty surroundings. In a monastery everyone is nice and good and you see no bad stuff, how easy is it to improve in such a cosy environment?..

 

All the exercises are free and you should try them and see what happens:

 

http://www.falundafa.org/bul/audio-video/audiovideo_video.html

 

Also there are practice sites around the globe if you want to have some instructions on-site from veteran practitioners. That is a good idea if you are a beginner.

Oh dear.

More fundamentalist, evangelical fear-mongering religious BS.

 

Religion is faith-based hopes about a good future after life.

 

Dafa is experience-based faith during your lifetime.

You said the world is filled with deluded people, or better yet people who persecute you. So since there are a lot of deluded people, there must be something profound about being deluded, or there being persecution. .

 

The type of fear mongering here is bat shit. I'm not insulting you but what you wrote, so please don't take it personally.

 

You are welcome with your feedback!

 

What is said that the persecution is concerning the world´s people. What does it mean? Loads of people are living in the modern delusion of comfort, materialism, sexism, drugism etc(last 50 years resembling nothing ever happening before in mankind´s history) accumulating massive karma without knowing it, leading them towards autodestruction.

 

First, do you know how hard it is to become a genuine self-cultivator? If so you would know that nobody inputs that kind of massive effort into something without experiencing fast progress. Let alone 100 million people.

 

The reason people do Dafa is because they try the exercises without notions and while doing that they get a Falun installed and then their life is changed forever.

 

I tell you a story from last Friday, A girl at our office came to try, sceptic to say the least. She has high-level virtue and a super flexible body, works about 12 hours per day. When she did the exercises the Falun just jumped at her and she could not keep her arms still. Then she did the double Lotus exercise and got into a very deep state. Afterwards she said: "That wheel got inside of me, and the whole day afterwards was a bliss".

 

Since that day she wants to practice Dafa.

 

I have a 6-year old son who can look up at the sky and by a glance see at which stage the Fa-rectification is..

How many here practice stillness movement?

 

Every day when I practice Dafa I try to shut off all my thoughts, at the Gong level there should be no intent.

Well, looks like you are searching for the meaning of life.

 

In fact sexuality is one of the six desires mentioned in Buddhism. As one cultivates to very high levels one drops all desires and emotions. Maybe you are automatically drawn towards the higher level of cultivation. Some people have it in them, it is really automatic I find.

 

I cultivate in Falun Dafa where sex is not forbidden but it is sacred and supposed to exist in the marriage form. One believes otherwise that one accumulates karma and karma debts are heavy to pay back and disturbs your meditation level.

 

You may want to read the book Zhuan Falun, it is a special book to say the least:

 

 

http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html

Hey there,

 

About 7 years training in Taoist alchemy - self manifesting Qigong and Zhang San Feng style Taiji from Shen Men School of Martial Arts. As well as San Da and what not.

 

Also 8 years of meditation practice including TM, Buddhist Mindfulness of Breathing, and Taoist meditation. Cured myself of Psychosis and intense anxiety disorders as well as endocrine system problems using these methods and nowadays enjoy a happy healthy life thanks to my teachers.

 

8 years studying and practicing various self help and development/self-coaching methods.

 

Now make it my mission to share good knowledge with others so we can be free of self-perpetuated suffering. Look forward to chatting with you all. I'm sure there's plenty more you peeps have to share on this "unlimited-empty" path we're walking together.

 

Matt aka Guru Grimmer : )

 

 

Welcome!

 

Being an old experimentalist myself I can relate to what you have been doing..

 

Nowadays I am focused on Falun Dafa, exclusively. It is simply the most powerful and righteous method there is if you ask me. Raising Gong level and opening third eye on a high level is something a genuine Taoist can do very fast when he tries Dafa.