Theladyphoenix

Just to be clear I'm not talking to anyone person or group - I'm addressing just Kunlun - as this thread was initiated and propogated in the begining by a few well intentioned SSTT students - so the audience - for me- is wider than that).

 

 

 

Regarding you sincerity - I stand corrected (deep bows) and Thank you.

 

Peace to all

 

(Purba's face is not always pretty)

Thank you -O- . That feels really good. Have a great day!

I don't have a problem with Max. Things are not so black and white. Is it so hard to believe that one can have critical insight without it being born of negative intention? As for love and best wishes - I don't believe you.

Okay -O-

Best wishes anyway

Think of it this way - when people in these roles act badly - it leaves the rest of the community in a fix. On one hand here is a person of superior skill or achievement, greater than our own, who we look to as an example of what we could be. On the other hand there is behaviour, if executed by anyone else in our lives, would be seen as simply bad behaviour.

 

 

 

It is a tough conflict of information. One where if we accept the former (they are of superior skill or awareness) than how can they behave this way. So we can over look it - ignore it - or paint in the cracks. "He must know something that I don't... there must be something less obvious (or spiritual) going on..." We make excuses for the behaviour to protect what it is they represent to us. This adds more and more tension to the psyche.

 

 

 

An extreme case would be - Teacher has died which evolves into teacher has executed the rainbow light body - to teacher is still around in spirit - to teacher is teaching me and my students in spirit. Then one day teacher shows up alive - and the fragile ideal which has been wrapped up in these thoughts is confronted with the reality that teacher has lied. This becomes too much to handle so more perception is created to cover the even bigger cracks - things like - "my teacher would never lie to me" - to "this can't be my teacher" - to this is an imposter. By doing this the ideal is preserved, and maintains a immedaite presence of the ideal in the persons life (in spirit or other dimensions) But the perception does not integrate all of the information - it ignores the possiblity that teacher is very alive and teacher has lied. So the reality of the teacher and the bad behaviour is pushed out...

 

 

 

So how do good hearted - kind - fairly reasonable people get to this point?

 

 

 

The assumption that teacher is superior in everyway. and teacher could have limitations which are very worldly -meaning they are energetically advanced but perhaps maybe not so good with people, or words, or knowing the impact of words. Well how does this asumption get made in the first place... there is a high focuss on teacher. The word teachings are as much about the teachers life as they are about the practice. This doesn't mean that the person is promoting themselves - they may just want to convey what is possible to you. Or the validity of the practice has is heavily weighed on the accomplishements of the teacher - which is not nessesarily so. An accomplished practictioner might be a crappy teacher and visa versa.

 

 

 

This puts a focus on the person and not the teachings. Then community is built around not only the teachings but the teacher... (one of the most absurd phone calls I recieved was somebody asking if we could get together and chat about teacher... teachings sure but teacher WTF.) The validity of the practice is transferred from the attainments of the teacher - which means an ideal of what can be accomplished is the teacher. Then we have to protect that, or our efforts have been in vain. To be disrespectful - or question - or stand up and say that was bad behaviour means soiling our own efforts and our ideal. So we protect the teacher when common sense and critical thinking would state otherwise - and in a far more damaging way, we protect teacher against what our own awareness tells us. This is important to note - it is against our own awareness. (and you could replace "teacher" with community through any of this).

 

 

 

So say from the current conversation - teacher has enough foresight and wisdom to know that faking a death will result in an appropriate test and lesson for the students - but yet in the situation that has just past he couldn't tell if the student thought to be out of line was even awaren of what was going on.... and yet this doesn't cross anyones mind. Or Hata's behaviour - accusing spiritual attack and taoist sorcery - weighed against what is most likely jeliousy. By painting in these cracks we damage our own awareness. Then eventually a few become teachers and when faced with circumstance they don't enjoy or are at thier limit of stress - they then claim that what is emotionally driven nonsense to be spiritual awareness. And at this point they are beyond reproach from anyone aiding in thier own testing of reality and intigration of ALL the information (including their own emotions). "But of course teacher could never be emotionally driven because they have transcended their ego - it must be spiritual awareness".

 

 

 

Consider that a large part of Hata's motivation is to reinforce his affinity for and association with his "teachers" and that this dynamic is no different than love letters written to your own teacher.

 

 

 

The tao doesn't find balance by holding extremes in each hand (that is duality) - it finds balance by constant transmutation. So one one hand you have a very loving community an on the other hand at the periphery of your community there is all this negativity. We could say - that is the balance of the tao... no that is an excuse to not get your hands dirty. The periphery and the love are the same thing - an effort to hold to love in a constant state and avoid the negative (which keeps it in a constant state). This is protecting the ideal.

 

 

 

Now there is all this talk about respect - hata is not respectful - facillitators must be respectful etc. But when push comes to shove there isn't any respect for the facilitator - there isn't the benefit of the doubt that there is misunderstanding, or that they haven't received email in a while - it is straight to a demand for compliance. This is to jump to a conclusion written in language of drama and propelled froward by emotionally driven impatience to get rid of the negative. And it ignores any past experience with that very real person - which I am assuming from everyone else in your community would be an expereince of love and respect, admiration. Perhaps tao doesn't draw the line and say below here is negative and above here is positive - perhaps it is one energy in different phases of the same process of transmutation. You will never get to a point of mastery with that if you are drawing lines of positive and negative. It is a contridiction of the teaching - or a limitation in its application.

 

 

 

Consider a scenario - a very advanced practioner - who sucks at personal relationships. The relationships are all one sided, superfical (meaning they can't hold up to conflict), based only on their practices & achievements and are highly conditional on being positive only. There is an immediate avoidance and regressive reaction to anything negative regarding personal relationships - how do you think the tao will rectify this? Do you think it would come up through interactions with people? How do you think it would be avoided? Perhaps it will be labeled as powers that be, deamons attacking at the gates.

 

 

 

The issue at hand is these limitations are being past down to the future generation. We meet teacher - gather enough information to emulate teachers - repeat teachers words - and mimick teachers actions. We adopt the same philosophy and then find ourselves in the same situation. Perhaps that is why with in one lineage across a few of the 15+ year practitioners there as been - faked deaths, claims of spiritual attacks, claims of energetic vampirism, claims of dopplegangers and I'm sure more that never bubbles up to the surface.

 

 

 

It is past down through how the teachings are being presented, how the relationships are being formed and it is propegated by our need to protection our ideal. Max has told you - he is no better than you, he is not a teacher... but I am not sure that you really know what that means, at least for some of you. And that goes for many other communities as well. This isn't exclusive to Kunlun.

 

 

 

At every turn there has been an opportunity to transmute these situations to higher states - but what I have seen demonstrated is "stop what you are doing" "I don't care just as long as they stop" "it is just people and their egos" "too much negativity, I'm not going there" "I quite, I retire" "just tell them I am dead" (sorry but it is true). Or when a gnarly finger is raised then it must just be that other person feeling hurt - and saying "hey buddy get over it" from the moral high ground. Or they are just not doing the work - go heal. The healing is in engaging this not trying to stiffle it. Look at how well Mr Demmey is handling this - that is supurb.

 

 

 

Anyway this isn't just for the Kunlun community - although I do appreciate the emails from those of you who are open to what I have been saying today - I was supprised at how many of you there are. It's the only reason why I press on. It really makes no difference to my life - I have more concern and emotional involvement with my emerging bald spots (I use to have great hair). (Winpro- love the sharing definition by the way)

It's just not that complicated!!!!!!!!! Really, it's not! The judgemental and accusatory remarks are what is offensive and constitute the HUGE turnoff here. God Bless us all.

-O- , you participate in both the TTB forum (and frequently on this thread), as well as the Invitation only Kunlun forum, so please .... it really does seem to make a 'difference in your life.' It seems that you have endured painful experiences and I am sorry for this. I wish you the best in healing this pain and suffering you have endured. If you have such a problem with Max, then why do you visit the Kunlun forum??? It clearly doesn't work for you.

P.S. Good luck with your baldspots. And 'Press on' as you see fit. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE... always.

Let me remind you, as someone who has had to live with some of the consequences of Max's choices. He told an entire "community" he was dead - for whatever rational that lead to this action - it was a lie and had no regard for the people whose "...heart is full of love, appreciation and respect for you, Max Christensen. "

 

We all have acted badly - and although I point gnarly fingers at people - keep this in mind in regarding Hata - who might be dealing with physical or emotional issues beyond his immediate control.

Dear -O-

First of all, I wish you the gift of peace. Also, You must realize this: the words I wrote in my previous post, were spoken from my heart not yours. I do not speak for you, or to you in the previous posting. I was speaking from my heart to Max. Furthermore, I have chosen the path of Love, not Fear, and I am proud that my heart is full of love and appreciation rather than fear and negativity. I do not apologize for this.

But what is the purpose here in pointing gnarly fingers ? Only to hurt another? Hasn't there been enough gnarly finger pointing and ill will perpetrated by Mr. Hata on Max without you interjecting more rude commentary? It sounds like you may have been hurt. I am sorry for this. We all know what hurt feels like, I am sure. Apparently, you have spoken your truth, and I hope you feel better for doing so. A wise man once told me, 'If you can feel it... you can heal it." So I tip my hat to you, and say, be healed.

In my opinion, Max, at the very least, deserves an apology. The behavior and verbal assaults towards him, especially by someone who doen't even know him, have been way out of control and unwarranted. Good grief.

Why don't we try to provide the space for some healing to take place. It's time. It's time to shift this negative and hurtful dynamic and stop the petty mud slinging. I humbly extend love, peace and forgiveness to everyone, including Dr. Hata, who have been affected directly and/or indirectly by this extremely hurtful commentary and thread. Thank you for listening.

P.S. Man, at times my life can be so challenging and people so demanding, full of expections, that sometimes I wish I could dissapear for day, never mind a year. Cool Max. Did you really do that? Dude you are my hero- not my Sifu- but my Hero! haha hehe!

I see your point, O...but this "community" is not a "school"....

My heart is full of love, appreciation and respect for you, Max Christensen. Thank you for all the wonderful practices you have shared, and through your example, all the positive virtues we have witnessed. Thank you for being who you are.

I am called to remember some of the simple yet positive and powerful words I have heard you say over the years:

I am no better than you are. You are your own best teacher. Everything you need to know is already inside you. Live your art. Be a good example for others. Have compassion and respect for others. Always smile and remember your childlike nature.

Just a few simple yet positive and powerful words. Thank you Max.

It is also important to note that even the cream of the crop have acted badly a times. We all have our moments both good and bad.

And the point here is not whether or not Max wants to be called Sifu or not. What is relevant is that Hata is out of line. As far as the cream rising to the top... Hata is is the one launching attacks with his Verbal arsenal on Max's good nature and character. Not the other way around.

Dear Sifu Hata,

I respectfully request that you please remove any and all videos from the SSTT website and youtube channel containing my likeness or voice. You may continue to use any videos I have edited for you that do not contain my likeness or voice.

 

I have stayed silent about this controversy on a public level out of respect for our previous friendship, but the escalating negative attention that this thread is receiving as it spreads on the internet is causing me personal discomfort as I do not share your position in the controversy between SSTT and Max Christensen..

 

I do not wish anyone to get the impression that I support SSTT's recent statements concerning Max nor do I wish to give the impression that I presume to speak for anyone in the Lum family lineage other than myself. Since you have chosen to expel me from both your tutelage and SSTT, it is only fitting that you remove my likeness and voice from any materials that you currently use to promote SSTT. At the very least, it will remove any potential confusion for SSTT in the future.

 

As your former student and friend, I humbly request that you grant me this one last favor.

Since I am unable to reach you in any other way, I am forced to put my request on this forum.

 

It is my sincere hope that this disagreement between you and Max be resolved in private in a peaceful manner in order to avoid any further negative attention to the Lum lineage...

 

Thank you for your quick action in this matter,

Your former student and friend,

Michael Denney

hmmm..... Like a gentleman, peaceful, with respect and dignity for all... without ego... or attachement to one's titles... without jealousy or fear... not immature and self serving or EGO driven.

It is really sad and shameful that someone of a teacher, sifu status, Mr. Hata would stoop so low, attempting to harm the reputation of a good man such as Max Christensen who is loved and appreciated by so many people.

One can only hope and pray that the appropriate lessons have been learned and all due apologies are made.

And as they say, the cream always rises to the top.

Hi Lady Phoenix,

 

You don't talk much, do you? Hehehe.

 

Welcome!

 

May you enjoy your time here.

 

Peace & Love!

Dear Marblehead,

Thank you for making me laugh... and smile! Your comment was indeed quite funny! Yes, I can and do talk. And I can speak loud and clear, particularly when I feel an injustice or when I need to speak my truth. Thank you for your observation and acknowledgement and for your welcome to me on the TB forum!

Best wishes, TheLadyPhoenix

Mr. Hata,

Please feel free to refer back to the following terms that you electronically agreed to, when you, as everyone must do before becoming a GUEST on this forum.

You sir, are still out of control and should take a look at the reflection of yourself and your insensitive and hurtful words, and stop creating CHAOS by speaking NONTRUTHS. Furthermore, through your postings, I would say that you have violated nearly every one of the underlined conditions listed in the Taobums Terms and Rules. Please see below. Once and for all, cease your ranting and raving and sensless banter, which in essence is nothing more than self aggrandizement, slander and defamation of character.

Let it go. It's for the best. And please realize that you no longer need to pretend to be the Hero/rescuer for any Kunlun community member. You are hereby relieved from this responsibility and worry.

We are all on our own paths. Remember?

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