jinjujitsu

Why would you want that?

If it works without the need to sit and stare at a wall for years trying to still the mind or doing chi kung routines for ages - if it works without all this and can heal pains, why not? Why not - if it works?

I don't think stilling the mind is everyone's goal. Healing could be the one for many. So, if it works, great!

People travelled for days in the past and never reached their destination at times. Technology helps there today. If there is something which "really" can replace years of meditation, why not? All that time saved on meditation could be used to spend time with family, help the sick or do something worthwhile.

"Hinduism": it has many beliefs via its various sects and sub-sects that more or less range from A-Z. India before and during Hinduism (per-se) has vast periods of history and major events that more or less range from A-Z for over 5000+ years. India has different types of sub-cultures that more or less range from A-Z. It has male and female spiritual teachers that more or less range from A-Z in practices and merit. India has climates that more or less range from A-Z. It has different gods and goddess that more or less range from A-Z. It has impersonal and personal aspects in relating to the ultimate. (see the Upanishads) It has many true teachers, saints, and good people and it also has untrue teachers, rascals, con-men, etc.. It has age old studies and wisdom related to information on natural health and diet, and many other sciences. It has those that have abused power and those that have nutured the well being of the people...

 

In other words it to has the whole spectrum of life and death struggle going on!! I respect her, and could never put her into a little box.

Kudos! Couldn't have said better. Those who want to see the black spots alone will miss the big white background and the immense wisdom underlying therein.

As a side note, Yoga Sutras were never meant to be practice manuals. They simply elaborate Samkhya and Yoga theory. Sutras are by nature cryptic and require a firm background in Veda, Purana and Grammar before attempting to understand them. For those who travel that extra mile, the rewards are plenty. There are various practical manual such as Hatha Yoga Pradipika and various Yoga Tantras dealing with practical aspects and hence serving as commentaries to the Yoga Sutra. One cannot accuse all the Hindus of being incapable of expression based on one's own lack of understanding of one particular book! Moreover, Yoga Sutra hardly represents the entire gamut of Hinduism. It does not even represent a major school of Hinduism as practiced today. Unlike most assume, it is dualistic (Patanjali's version) and hence acceptable only as an auxiliary philosophy to many other non-dualisitc schools within Hinduism.

Then there are castes and those who believe in them. There have also been "outcastes" such as Aghoris, Ati Margins and Avadhutas who have existed side by side and earned their own status in a society accused frequently by the West of orthodoxy. There are people of all kinds and it is not the mistake of Hinduism if West has a picture of her as a perfect lady. But her external imperfections hardly mar her inner beauty. And is that not true with any worthy religion? How are bad Brahmins or bad Gurus sole representatives of Hinduism? How are bad commentaries available today on the Yoga Sutra indications of uselessness of Hinduism? Such generalizations hardly make sense unless the intention is blame game arising out of some frustration possibly owing to a bad experience with a Guru figure or someone similar. The argument here is similar to those who constantly accuse H H The Dalai Lama of autocracy and what not and forget the implications of what would be without him today. There is nothing ideal or perfect and no amount of whining or cussing will make it so. But those who only do that, will just do that and see no light. The wise will look beyond these imperfections and find light. And that's what Manu said with his "religion" as well, the same one that gets called Hinduism today.

Tyler,

I am a busy person and would like to engage only in constructive talk. It seems to be that you have long left that track. I have nothing more to say to you. Also, how do you know my credentials? I am a research scholar of several years myself and have 40+ publications better read than the ones you name, also serving as text books. Flaunting two doctorates would probably help to make your kinds pay a little more attention to others, but that's not really my point here. I expect to be heard based on the validity of what I say and not my credentials which are secondary. While you have been sitting here passing judgments based on what bad literature you have read, I have lived for a decade in India, China and Tibet to know the pulse of the culture there. And you were the one criticizing the Brahmins, and call me self-righteous? Or you were trying a stab at humour? Be well.

It's OK that a number of people in real life do not share my opinion.

 

...............and why are enlightened people still bound by their cultures?

I don't have an answer for that - I have just observed that unfortunately they

are. Just my two cents.

Clearly you have a bias against the Hindus and one very clearly propagated by British in the late 18th century. Caste and its evils were simply a distortion of a social system blown out of proportion by European scholars. There were pros and cons and those who wanted to attack, chose this as their main reason. Buddhists did that and later the colonizing Europeans, to their own advantage. That's quite irrelevant here IMO. The cultural and philosophical exchanges between Hindus and Buddhists has been too much to distinguish one from the other and it is easy to see that Buddhists borrowed much from Hindus than the other way round. If you read critique of Tibetan Buddhism by several Theravada teachers in 70s and 80s, this exactly was their problem with the Tibetan Buddhists and their morphed Hindu Tantra with Bon elements and a Buddhistic interpretation. Prof Alexis Sanderson has done serious and dedicated study in this area and you will benefit from studying him. I would suggest you seriously need to re-consider the crap you have been reading lol!

You need to do some serious study before you make some such half-assed comments based on of all the people G Samuel. Lol

 

Meditation, nei kung, and martial arts were once just one thing. That's why I believe that real nei kung, real martial arts, and real meditation all include each other in any given moment in time of training

 

True True and True. Wish had realized this a good 30 years ago

and a number of people I know in real life do not share your opinion.

Om

I am certainly one who does not share Tyler's opinion.

I think we all want adventure and challenge...which is why we're here, participating in life.

Scotty, I really like the way you put it - "participating" in life. It speaks of a certain willingness as opposed to being "forced" to live. It also suggests of life as something not so wretched, not as mere samsara which needs to be "escaped" or as "suffering" that is to be ended or transcended. At the same time, "participate" would mean going with the flow without a viscous attachment or holding on to life as a limited concept or possession. I am a newcomer here but for a Taoist forum, this forum is more Buddhist than anything else. But some statements like the one above make me remember and reflect on the great Way now and then. I have been working on a book about how Buddhist influence instilled the concept of mortal life as suffering into Hinduism, Taoism and various other cultures and your post just clicked in my head. Thanks!

Can give info - can't give independent review

 

The Gift of the Tao: Vibratory Acts of Power are reflected vibrational patterns as seen on the Higher vibrational levels. They are energy movements derived from the practice of dreaming qigong which is a sub-set of the sleeping qigong form of the Stillness-Movement system of neigong.

 

The DVD has Tao's Gift movements. Stillness-Movement requires attending class with me as vibrational patterns are projected to the student - energy based information - to initiate the student in the system (I project qi to the student for many reasons, this is one). A person can learn Gift of the Tao from the DVD. Even though I saw these patterns in dreamtime and developed the system I would like to credit Master Y W Chang (always referred to himself as Chen Pan Ling's senior student), Master Wang Juemin, and the ascended masters all for their input as I was developing these vibratory acts of power over a period of 15 years.

 

Look for Gift of the Tao II:______ ________ due to be released this year. (yes, I know what goes in the blanks)

YaMu, thanks for the inputs.

I see on your website that you offer distance healing. Currently, is there no distance learning possible to learn Stillness-Movement from you? Thanks!

There are many movement qigong systems. The Gift of the Tao: Vibratory Acts of Power movement system referenced in my sig below is a highly efficient energetic system and can actually be learned from the DVD. A combination qigong practice of internal meditative style and movement style seems to be the best balanced and more efficient way of cultivating qi. There are many systems out there but it seems that many folks never consider efficiency.

I checked out Ya Mu's site for information on his DVD but there is not much info about it. What I would like to know is:

- What is the DVD all about? Qigong, Neigong?

- The DVD page talks of 'shamanic movements'. Is the technique same as stillness movement Qigong that Ya Mu described here?

- Does the DVD cover everything that one would learn in a stillness movement qigong workshop - in terms of techniques?

If anyone has the DVD, I would appreciate an independent review as well.

Thanks!

Dear Jinjujitsu,

Sorry to take so long to reply...I've been off the site for 10+ days busy with extremely busy teaching schedule.

 

You just have to practice more until you get the hang of the percentage breath controls and feel more comfortable with it. Once you get comfortable and feel some results, you'll feel more confident of what you're doing.

 

Try first mentally calibrating your normal breath (which you take each time with the 3 priming breathes at the start) into 10 parts. Mentally count from 1 to 10 with each normal breath you take--no matter how fast you have to count in the beginning. Once you establish those 10 counts, then use those counts to exhale whatever %'s the particular FP exercise calls for. All the breath controls are based on your normal breath cycle. It is RELATIVE--but it is not arbitrary.

 

NOTE: make sure you don't hold your breath at any point in the sequences. There is no retention (holding of the breath) in beginning levels of the FP system.

 

Good luck.

 

Terry Dunn

Dear Sifu,

Thank you. That was really really helpful. Thanks again for sharing your insights on this wonderful practice. I sure wish you bring out more learn at home products for the various other energy arts you know as FP videos are really one of their kind - they seem to have a soul of their own. Thanks to this forum/Sean as well for having got a chance to interact with you. Looking forward to hear more from you.

"Natural" in the sense of a certain norm, doesn't mean much.

 

But you can have sex, or do anything, in the state of effortlessness flow unhindered by the dualistic "self."

 

Natural? Feels like it, but that is another attachment.

 

Very Buddhist and so not Daoist. But whatever

Things used to be so clear, in black and white. Now everything is dull, and I'm feeling rather blue.

Bad Feng shui lol! After the upgrade, both quality and quantity of posts seem to have taken a big hit. Hope that's just a passing phase.

 

 

If you poke around the internet, look for "Meridian Qigong" as well - there are some videos at YouTube, but nothing like what I learned.

This question is for Dainin

I read your extremely helpful review on Amazon for Dr. Love's Meridian Qigong. Would you care to elaborate more on it? As it what it's purpose is, what the benefits have been for you and share some tips? Greatly appreciate your inputs.

 

have fun--but make sure you do each meditation correctly. (if you ever do a breath control sequence wrong, take 3 breathes to count yourself out, then start all over again.)

 

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

Dear Sifu, I try to take the initial breaths and base my ratios for the rest on these, but I don't feel very confident. It seems inconsistent and different every time and I always wonder if I am getting it right and getting it right every time.

Appreciate any tips.

Is anyone using/has used Meditation Mastery?

This is different from Glenn Morris' stuff and is taught by Hieu Doan. It basically involves a CD with three tracks, one of which is a guided meditation. The technique is pretty simple, paying attention to the navel chakra. It does seem a bit expensive, here is a quote from their website:

P.S. Remember that you are receiving $2150 worth of materials for the introductory price of only $147.

Why pay for something as simple? Some feel the CDs have some kind of attunement, others disagree. Some like the email support that comes with the product. There is a lot of discussion on this on Xtrememind forum.

I found this rather interesting comparison of this zazen-like method with typical Buddhist meditation from a member who is experienced in both:

I've done four 10 day Goenka Vipassana courses and a few zazen retreats too. Some of the principles are similar to MM because they're universal laws but my experiences between the two have been completely different. YMMV.

 

I don't consider myself an expert but from what I see the tools are used differently. I found vipassana almost completely passive while MM for me is active/passive at the same time. In MM mindfulness is a stepping stone, in Vipassana it's almost their whole thing. MM uses a type of intelligent energy which I didn't get from Vipassana or zazen. End of the day though it's about what you're after. MM tunes me into higher self consciousness which I never got from vipassana or zen.

 

when I was at your stage I observed all the different elements at the same time. It's meant to stretch out your mind in different directions. IMO objective observation is still imagination although in Vipassana they might argue that its not. Vipassana basically has a narrow focus, MM is expansive as in it stretches out your mind in different directions at the same time.

Anyone here has used this product? Apart from support, what is so good about it? Even without the CD, would not simply paying attention to the navel with dedication give results? Please share your inputs on this product.

I remeber the Qi Magazine, which you can now download for free, featured an article about Dr. Baolin Wu, his early life and some interesting stories about his masters at the White Cloud Temple. Anyone who read the book might like the article as it reveals a little bit more about the kind of training he had to go through, of course this training also included the famous Yi Gong I hand position. For me the article was interesting because it is nice to have something that hints at the feats human beings are capable of if they are diligent and practice hard and consistently.

 

Here is the link: http://www.qimagazine.com/qimagazine00.html

the article in question is in issue 58 and 59

 

Chrisn

Thanks to the original poster.

**Yes, the DVD's teach the FP exercises exactly as I was trained. Again, I don't know of any published Qigong system where the breathing method that has been disclosed--i.e, anything that's advanced and beyond the usual, pedestrian forms of "natal" tan tien breathing.**

Dear Sifu Dunn,

A million thanks for the helpful answers.

In the above case, I forgot to mention that I was talking about the Tai Chi ruler DVD. You said earlier that the Tai Chi Ruler book had the incorrect/corrupted set of steps in the earlier section whereas the later pictures were the correct ones based on what the grand master actually taught.

So, does the accompanying video have the right set of steps? Would I be okay just getting the ruler and the DVD and skipping the book?

Best Regards,

Zara

TALK ABOUT JERRY ALAN JOHNSON, HIS BOOKS, ETC.

 

ONCE YOU HAVE TYPED ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIM, GTFO.

Ok, I studied with him for a fortnight but with this kind of an attitude, its a waste of time to respond to you. You still think you deserve a response?

Going back to the quotes in the first post, the problem I have with

the language the Hindus use, is they are usually always talking

around something they can't describe.

 

Bag that, I want some clarity.

Not all things can be described. And not all those who describe things saw what these great ones did. So what's your complaint here?

Dear Sifu Dunn,

This has been the best source of information on FP Qigong. Can you please clarify some doubts?

Flying Phoenix is purely a medical qigong system that cultivates a sublime healing energy, that's "lighter" than the energy of his other systems.

FP is like the foundation or safety net that one needs (or is nice to have) before learning GM Doo Wai's other heavy-duty internal systems. The 3 other systems I learned are what you might call "martial qigong." And the energizing effects are even more profound...

Does this mean FP is not a complete alchemy in itself? You say it is a medical qigong, so external health benefits are the only goal? Is that the reason why you also trained in other systems? I am eager to understand from you the objective and scope of FP. So, is FP just the starting step of a larger hierarchical ystem?

Bottom line: as "broken traditions" go, the John Davidson version of the TC Ruler seen in the first pictorial section of my book (and on my 1985 video) is still an effective physical training regimen that strengthens legwork,stances and posture, and does cultivate chi to a certain extent by coordinating eyes, mind, movement and breath. But it is NOT the correct Tai Chi Ruler art. The correct version is seen in the back pictorial section of the book only.

Does the video have the correct version? I am hoping to get the video alone and learn the correct art. Please advise me here.

5) My teachers always emphasized--and I continue to teach my students to this day--this maxim:

"No matter what you do, you must do Quiet Sitting".

Does zazen work here?

There's no relation whatsoever. Or very much similarity. TC Ruler is very much shen-cultivating as one's eyes are focussed on the center of the ruler throughout practice; FP practice is 99% done with eyes closed.

TC Ruler breathing can be done with inhalation through nose and exhalation thru mouth (for cleansing); FP breathing is always through the nose (except for the last final (3rd) exhalation taken to end practice of an exercise).

TC Ruler practice goes about 1/3 speed of Tai Chi Chuan practice; FP movement can be as slow as the human body can possibly move: following the oral teaching: "move at the speed of a shifting sand dune."

So they are very, very, very x 10 very different!

Sifu, what are the applications of the two? One is a medical qigong and the other is for? Are they compatible to be practiced together? I would like to understand what Tai chi ruler is all about. Is it a short version of Tai chi as in giving same benefits?

Finally, I see that you have seven volumes of FP dvds. Is the ideal way to start with vol 1, practice a bit, stop vol 1 and move to 2 and so on? Or are there overlapping exercises between the volumes (may be old and new editions of the video or something?)

The production, instruction and the technique in your video is the best I have come across. Many thanks for the videos and for participating here.

sorry to here that. I am a facilitator and in walnut creek. let me know

I am in San Francisco. Please let me know the workshop details? I can't get any response from other instructors.

piecing together practices that can be harmful to others in a public forum that will be available for many years is

very irresponsible.

Hi there, who teaches Red Phoenix meditation? I am practicing Kunlun level one from the book but it does not teach this meditation. I mailed the following trainers. Got back one reply but he does not teach this meditation. Is Kunlun 1 not very useful without Red Phoenix? Somewhere I read it involves meditating on a thin stream of energy entering the head and coming down? I dont want to practice without correct instruction though.

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Hi, caem here searching for info on Kunlun, have been practicing from the book.