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I have been very clear about my intentions and transparent with what I have gone through over the last few weeks.

Maybe not completely, maybe part of why you are here is just

because you just wanted to say "see I was right".

I thought you got your self all fixed up?

I'll see you around winpro and you'll see me, looking forward to it.

I have no friends who practice

Oh, that's right there are no friendships among those

who practice Kunlun. I forgot I won't again.

didn't you already quit several time the past few years?

Mr. GDB doesn't even recognize a friend. You know me man.

Get over yourself and you'll eventually figure it out.

The only person who's sincerity I didn't doubt has been Max's.

That's over now too.

Why are you here -O- ? What are you getting out of this?

You are an exile and yet are pouring so much effort into this...

Now I know.

not looking for help. It was a weird effect that bears mention just for fun

hows the artwork going?

Read the posts and ?

winpro read -O-'s posts, they will help you.

...there is something insincere about your posts - not all of it, but something seems off...

This is how reading some of Chris's posts have appeared to me.

The only person who's sincerity I didn't doubt has been Max's.

Well I thought I did provide some direction in yet another long post - but you don't seem to be focusing on that only that I say there is something missing in your intention. And this is why I feel there is something missing in your intention. But perhaps you have found your answer - if the only conclusion you can draw is to move on - then what is holding you back from doing that...???

No. The questions I typed out and asked where directed to one of the adminstrators

of Kunlun, the only people who can answers those questions.

Why are you here -O- ? What are you getting out of this?

You are an exile and yet are pouring so much effort into this...

better for you to play with your daughter and just let me move on.

...there is something insincere about your posts - not all of it, but something seems off...(?)

 

perhaps you are just trolling for response - if so I'll bite this time.[/i]

This is a problem then and there will never be any progress for any of us, and that's

how it's felt for me asking anyone any kind of question.

Please answer my questions about addiction and when it's okay to ask a question.

Otherwise this seems to me to be the path to maddness, left like this for me that is

the only conclusion I can draw and I have to move on and away from it

for my own well being.

Satori answered the questions back then under the screen name lemntl. Is he just a student? I can copy and paste his post here.

Is Satori / lemntl a teacher? He's a teacher? He never answered any of my questions.

Also there has been too much focus here on who is giving and who is receiving, so there is in fact no true real relationship, only students relation to very hastily described exercises. Exercises that are allowed to disintergrate due to the lack of precise followup-instruction by the teacher.

I emailed Max but never got an answer and then he posted saying

it was impossible for him to answer all his mail.

I emailed Chris a couple of times but never got an answer.

...but this applies to everyone, doesn't it?

The way I said it did too, or at least I thought it did

until the way you said it further clarified it.

Please let us progress.

What it comes down to is do you want to be right? OR do you wish to progress?

Wish I said it like that.

He wanted to show a practice that would empower people to find their own power within. In that sense, it may have failed for many. Instead, people became addicted, wanted to be given all the answers.

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Unfortunately, many people don't have the courage or strength to face their internal struggles alone. Those are the ones who seem to stray from the practice. They want to have someone hold their hand, they want explanations.

Please define and explain further those you consider to be addicted detailing symptoms.

Would the addicted people also be the ones who have attended more than one seminar, and frequent the Kunlun forum?

Is there ever a need to ask a teacher questions with the Max practices? In what situations/when would asking questions of the teacher be reasonable and in the student's benefit to do so? Please explain/detail.

Did you ever get answers to your technical questions?

No. Hypothesis from other students only.

Sorry you've had a rough time. Just trust that you're doing what's right for you.

Thank you.

What it comes down to is do you want to be right? OR have less problems with your students, and for them to have less problems with the practice?

Which?

QUOTE(Cameron @ May 15 2009, 06:47 PM)

 

NOW..I will say this. Max most likely was not a good teacher for someone like Yoda in the WISDOM department. The correct attitude to practicing Kunlun was not really imparted to me until I trained with Sifu Jenny.

 

As a good general example..Oscar Hsu, an advanced Kunlun teacher and good guy was having a pretty powerful experience. Oscar was thrashing on the floor in front of me and really letting go. My movements tend to be more subtle. Some swaying and shaking but after a year and a half I still haven't fallen off my chair.

 

After the practice Sifu Jenny asked us all what we were feeling. Oscar went into a story about his experience. It was either then or at another time in the class he went into a talk about the "Queen Mother of the West" and how she "adopted Max". At the end of this Sifu just said to Oscar "let it go".

As an aside but an important one Cameron attended 6 or 7 seminars, but it wasn't until he

went to Jenny Lamb's seminar that he understood what let it go it's all illusion meant,

by watching a teacher of Kunlun forget what it meant.

Should the teachers of Kunlun not set the proper example?

Also, I know Max has said that various manifestations will occur including: balls of light, things in the room with you, new abilities and various other things, but he then says to just ignore them and not to get attached to them because they are just distractions on the path to self awakening.

He didn't say it to everyone.

QUOTE(Cameron @ May 15 2009, 06:47 PM)

 

NOW..I will say this. Max most likely was not a good teacher for someone like Yoda in the WISDOM department. The correct attitude to practicing Kunlun was not really imparted to me until I trained with Sifu Jenny.

 

As a good general example..Oscar Hsu, an advanced Kunlun teacher and good guy was having a pretty powerful experience. Oscar was thrashing on the floor in front of me and really letting go. My movements tend to be more subtle. Some swaying and shaking but after a year and a half I still haven't fallen off my chair.

 

After the practice Sifu Jenny asked us all what we were feeling. Oscar went into a story about his experience. It was either then or at another time in the class he went into a talk about the "Queen Mother of the West" and how she "adopted Max". At the end of this Sifu just said to Oscar "let it go".

During a seminar and in the books this is the most important thing to remember to say, and

put in text, and make sure to repeat many times so everyone hears it and understands

what it means and how it applies in regards to ALL of your experiences. That wasn't covered.

Satori and Mantra why when people asked about these things did you not write about them more? Any information that was forthcoming about it always came through in a way to suggest that everyone believes it as

truth and not illusion. This didn't help me and I think it hurt me and made me think I was going crazy because it opened up to me the possibility that it wasn't all my mind that it wasn't all illusion. This is how it hurt me. This is how it hurt us. It added already to what I was going through in a way that made it more difficult for me.

On the Kunlun forum I thought I would get some help with questions I had about the practices but Max kept giving us more practices when we had already been given more than enough. Some people just wanted help with the practices they had already been given. Some of us didn't want more. People wrote about their crazy experiences with aliens, celestial beings and all the rest, and that got center stage. If people talked about telepathy the comments were oh yes it's common among Kunlun people, whatever you were going through was common among Kunlun people, so I think some people believed everything that was coming to them as real and not illusion and they are still there in that same place dealing with it as truth, and that is how it hurt me and that is how it hurt us.

Everything you wrote Satori...you don't know you don't really know any of it for sure. You think that's what is happening and going to happen but you don't really know anything for sure. Some of that you heard from Alex Collier and are believing it to be real. Some of that you heard from Max and are believing it to be real. I thought this was about finding your own truth and flowing with the Tao not getting stuck and digging in your heels somewhere and staying there. You'll never be free like this.

When I attended the Kunlun seminar I was looking for a practice, I didn't want a belief system. You get that with these practices, it comes across that way.

All this must mean that I am not "good" because I haven't been attracting good with these practices. Is that what you are saying with all of this?

But it might be right to inform people what they might be in for upfront, so they know what to expect and can prepare themselves more accordingly.

This would be a good start as would letting them know that

the teacher is a teacher and the students are students

and you are not there to be adopted by a new family,

or that you are among friends.

Warn them also that the teacher and other students will force

there realities onto you and tell you that what they believe

is all real, instead of telling you the truth that it

is all an illusion of their own minds.

There won't ever be any moving forward. One post just to acknowledge

the students having difficulty is not enough. It's not enough for me

to stick with this.

Of course the tactic comes around to isolating any malcontent and impugning their character as the source of trouble.

I took it to mean that you can't say anything negative about Kunlun because

the "pack" will tear you apart, impugn your character and say that you are the problem, it's just your own fears, that

you are a fear monger, you are angry, you are not entitled to feel angry, you are a mess to clean up, you have an agenda, you are emotionally unstable, bring your upbringing into it and say you had doting parents and now need a teacher to hold your hand, you need a daddy....in general tell you what a fuck up you are. That's how I understood it.

Trunk was offering proof that in Yoda's case that wasn't the case.

That's how I understood it.