yabyum24

 

Shiva says to cut the lingual frenum in Kecharividya of Adinatha.

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those people who know a thing or two about dzogchen disagree with the secular way he tries to present dzogchen divorced from tradition and transmission.

Now we're getting somewhere. Traditionalists disagree with the presentation of the primordial state which is not transmitted in the traditional manner they approve of?

There could be a valid point to be made there, as long as there is a rational reason behind it. So, why not tell us?

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how about we move this thread over to discussing the positive aspects of the information found in said videos?

Seems a good idea to me BKA. I liked what he said about the duality of the mind vs its innate nature and about how difficult it is to get beyond the "story-making" of self. That there is a split-second where we could recognize this but fail to do so.

The samatha exercise was standard stuff but I personally prefer the breath as an object, though visual phenomena like the sky, a body of water, fire and earth are also very good.

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Not being a Dzogchenpa, I take the teachings for what they are. I've been through the first vid and it seems fairly straightforward. Samatha to calm the mind and awareness to see the illusory nature of thoughts. All sound basic stuff. I'll have to see what the other vids contain.

It seems to match what I've encountered in Dzogchen in terms of innate clarity vs mind.

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Sutra and tantra don't have the same view. That doesn't make one right and the other "bs" because they're both right - just in different ways.

Medieval India must have been a very interesting place. When I complete my time machine, I'll pop back for a look.

I think Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche collected just about every single empowerment from every lineage in Tibet when he was alive, so if you can get an empowerment from one of his students then you get them all at once, so you get the entire spiritual history of Tibet downloaded into your brain in one go instead of having to go to Lama to Lama for the rest of your life (it probably doesn't work like that but it would be nice)

Sounds like a deal to me

Reputable people who respect transmission do not agree with Jax.

 

You better wake up people !

 

You cannot teach dzogchen outside of transmission like you would teach nursery sutra bs...

"Reputable" Vajrayana pledge to uphold the union of sutra and tantra and the validity of both. Denigration of sutra tells me a lot.

This is what really turns me off from institutionalized Buddhism. Caught up in their own spiritual arrogance being better than the rest.

It usually plays out in hair-splitting tortuous arguments about terminology and it's precise translation. Sanskrit, Tibetan, Pali etc. etc. The human mind (and it's delusions) are exactly the same now as in Buddha's time. If you can't ultimately explain it (and the path) in English, then there's something wrong.

This rant has been simmering for awhile

They're the best kind of rants. Slow-cooked.

Yes & no. There are some shallow empowerment must-have shoppers out there and some gurus who don't give a monkey's who they distribute them to, as long as they've paid.

But this is not all cases by a long shot. Certain people will find that they have an affinity with a specific yidam and in such situations it's well worth them getting that specific empowerment. But the key thing is that no empowerment is of any use if the person makes no subsequent effort to follow the teachings and just arrives a few weeks later for the next one.

Empowerments are no substitute for meditative experience.

I also don't see the point in collecting loads of them. Highest Yoga Tantra systems all have complete generation and completion stage instructions within them, so why not stick with one you like and crack it?

You can take or leave what he says, but you can't fault the bloke for consistently making materials available free online for people to consider.

I've seen him haggled and attacked all over the internet by snarling sectarian types. I think that fact speaks volumes.

yes

Even down to slicing the base of your tongue?

Hindu temple Malaysia

An amazing mantra.

Kundalini is the same as tummo.

 

Kundalini / tummo is pranayama and bandhas.

 

I am talking about authentic Kundalini:

 

http://www.khecari.com/styled/index.html

Do you practice kechari mudra?

This thread is over with. I've come to a conclusion and yabyum24 has presented that conclusion in a dualistic version.

Hi Dee, Sorry if I've caused offense. It wasn't my intention to misrepresent your conclusion in any way by trying to put a twist on it which you had not intended.

If I've seen it from a dualistic POV, then that says more about my personal limitations than it does about anything you have written.

In any case, I enjoyed reading, considering and contributing - so thanks for putting it up.

And the punchline is:

oh, you dont get it yet?

 

lets try again

I did get it...

...or perhaps I didn't.

Ah yes...

 

the punchline

is... that there won't be one. I was going to put more stuff up on this topic but on second thoughts, I'm going to leave it. I'll let people draw their own conclusions.

My own take on this debate is that it's easy for male or female a-holes, but difficult for nice people of both genders. Each confronts it's own problems. One of my friends is a young lady, who I have known since she was born. She's pretty, intelligent, with a wide circle of friends and a nice boyfriend - so all good. Just that she's on meds for depression and self-harms.

I don't think any young person with feelings has it easy now. The peer pressure is beyond anything normal. I'm genuinely glad that I'm not a young person in these times. And I'm genuinely glad that I'm not in the "market" anymore.

Amazing work from Nora.

This one could also do the trick...