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Yeah, I am not trying to "prove" anything. My Jewish friend was diehard, he wore finny clothes and all that jazz.

When you sit down and do nothing, are you bored? While watching this world, the trees, birds etc., one may not feel bored. But when yo do nothing, you feel bored. That's true of everyone.

You actually think you know what is true of everyone? Come on dude, I just told I don't get bored. If that is hard for you to fathom, well hey what can I do about that.

I don't know how to help you not get bored. If I did I'd give you some suggestions, methods, techniques, etc... Maybe suggest you practice finding excitement in the smallest possible things. Practice over and over until you literally can't get bored because there is always some little thing that is exciting.

Maybe that's part of my equation? I almost never watch tv.

Almost all religions, especially taoism, declares that each moment is new and must be enjoyed. But I don't see how. Every moment seems to be the same moment repeating itself endlessly. Why else do we feel boredom, then? Boredom would be impossible if every moment were fresh and new.

 

It seems to me that permanence is the only reality, which is why we feel bored with everything. If things are always changing and new, we'd never be bored with anything. Every moment would be meditation!

 

Alfa

Boredom is just a bad mental habit. I for example, never get bored. Honestly.

How can you get bored with such a wonderful world all around you filled with so much fascinating stuff, like dirt, bugs, clouds, cheese, feet, cats, etc?

I sell people "fixes" for their bad habits, nicotine, alcohol and gambling, its probably the worst job karmically speaking that I could have XD I sell laptops, and do computer repair on the side and on off days, I try to be nice to everyone and there are a few intelligent people I have met and like that are customers there, like an author and an ex EEG technician, but that's about it. Unless I am willing to pack it up and move to the city this is as good as its going to get, I could probably make more use of my skillset in a city than this podunk town, but I can't stand cities there are even more stupid people there and they're more violent too.

I feel ya, MPG. I mean, I always say you should appreciate where you're at, however, sometimes your discontent is good because it is leading you to something more appropriate for you. So who knows. But the world will always be filled with people who don't understand things. There will always be others living their funk ass lives totally different than you. I don't know that it is such a big deal karmically. If you weren't working there someone else CERTAINLY would. Most of the karma falls on the cigarette companies etc, for intentionally harming people. You're just living, the karma is probably nil.

Just my 2 cents. Peace.

To expand on this a bit:

I think everything that is in harmony is going to boil down to a wu wei method. Some say wu wei is "non-doing" but it is really much more "in sync with Tao". I have found that when one raises the energy body vibration rate, this synchronicity will start to happen. This synchronicity can get pretty wild and sometimes hard to believe, but it sure does happen.

 

If we hold onto the concept of mental creation, trying to create through a linear process, it is very difficult to be in harmony because we do not stop to listen; we are trying to control a non-linear process linearly. It is OK to "put it out there" mentally (better with prayer), but then we must let go in order to allow the process to happen. Topflight's example shows this. I have a similar story to his. Only by letting go of the linear attempt at control were we able to find that which would be in harmony.

Hey Michael,

The part I bolded and italicized is what I most wanted to talk about, because whenever I hear someone mention a phenomenon that I have experienced that most people don't relate to I want to ask them some questions and share notes so to speak.

I have experienced the above highlighted phenomenon hundreds of times. It is what I used to call the Joy-Flow. In that the more joyful I felt and the more flowing I felt then I would flow right into some of the most mind-boggling synchronicities imaginable. But very few people seem to even know this phenomenon exists. Is this something you have learned of on your own? Or is it related to something your Taoist teacher(s) have explained and taught to you?

I have wanted to understand more about this phenomenon so I could best harness it. Man, because I've had some pretty darn wild things happen to me over the years.

Also, how do you feel this phenomenon relates to the Tao? Is it something even related to Taoism per se? Is it related to this quote from the Tao Te Ching #50?:

He who lives by the way of the Tao,

travels without fear of ferocious beasts,

and will not be pierced in an affray,

for he offers no resistance.

The universe is the centre of his world,

so in the inner world

of he who lives within the Tao,

there is no place

where death can enter in.

I believe part of the reason I experience this a lot is from my qigong training. When I feel joyful I feel an enhanced flow of energy through me, which must be affecting some magical-situation-producing cosmic power hehe...

Your thoughts on this, or better yet your experiences with this?

Hmmm... The most powerful qigong exercise I've ever experienced would have to be any of the exercises I've been taught as part of my Shaolin Cosmos Qigong training. A few of the experiences I've had while at courses with my teacher Sifu Wong Kiew Kit were so powerful, you don't have words for it.

Lifting the Sky, Carrying the Moon, Merging with the Cosmos, Small Universe, Big Universe.

Hmmm... Besides this, I've tried some other styles of qigong for curiosity's sake, of those I've thought Spring Forest Qigong was good, and also Cosmic Freedom Qigong. But I can't say whether those would have been as nice if not for my Shaolin cosmos Qigong, who's qi benefits carry over to if I try another system for fun...

I guess appreciating your work is out of the question?

New age stuff is like a giant heap of horse shit with gold nuggets in it.

Sometimes you just wish you didn't have to dig in to find the nuggets, cus you might get poop on yourself in the process. It can be a very messy process.

I took a shower, but I can't get the poop smell off

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On the other hand, maybe it's not just New Age stuff, but all of life: Mostly horse shit, a couple gold nuggets.

It's always funny to see people falling for these stories.

Duan Zhiliang was born on august 1931, which makes him NOW not yet 78 and of course even younger at the time of this video (which btw sells him for 92).

 

LOL

 

YM

So what's up with all of the age misrepresentation in these arts? (misrepresentation is a kind replacement word for lying)

I suspected you were being a weirdo, Blasto

I read the obvious places on the Schumann Resonance, which described what it is, but not what it is for. And the links others posted with audio files for download had dubious-sounding powers attributed to each audio file. I don't understand the connection between the frequency of the Earth and these different files.

MorePieGuy,

Far be it to actually discuss it. I guess I'll have a discussion with Google. Oh wait. Google can't talk. Or type. Or think.

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So can someone explain to me the value of Schumann Resonance, and if it is scientifically verifiable?

So what is a Schumann Resonance? Has it been scientifically studied?

They are state-of-the-art acoustical suppositories.

I have no idea what that means.

freesun,

You aren't the human specie, you are just one person. To assume that every other person won't crave meat, or doesn't biologically need it, just because you don't is too much of a stretch. For thousands and thousands or years our species developed eating meat. Your body may not want meat, but many many many people have different feelings on this.

Ahahahahha. We got sidetracked from "Do Taoists Really Have Extreme Longevity? Or is it exaggerated?"

What do you do with these Schumann Resonances?

At stake here is spiritual compassion; the ability to see the divine in another being and choose that you would rather not snuff it and thousands of others like it out just to satisfy your pallet.

 

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You could also, as I think you were trying to do, argue that it is unnatural to not eat meat, and denying yourself this is to go against your biological nature and to remove yourself from the natural order. This is a fine argument for someone living in a hunter-gatherer tribe who is a vital component of the food chain. This is not such a tenable argument for one who lives in a society where animals are grown and harvested as a commodity to be slaughtered rather than as an independent, living being worthy of some form of respect.

Well, I would like to point out that there are things in animal products humans function best consuming. I personally was vegan and then vegetarian and it doesn't work for me. Through reading about traditional diets (Weston A Price / Sally Fallon) I've improved my health.

So it isn't "just to satisfy your pallet"! That's the point. It is to live a healthy life like we're supposed to. Vegetarianism is not the majority diet because its not natural. People naturally crave animal products. Isn't that what wu wei is about, being natural?

Would you feed your pet lizard wheat flakes? No, because while you may see it as the compassionate thing to do, you are actually harming your pet lizard.

I had a Jewish friend years ago who told me that in traditional Jewish towns they picked the most compassionate person to be the butcher.

Eat all the veggies you want, but eat your liver!

I eat my liver so I can be gangsta like those rats.

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Hehehe... How long have you been vegan for? The body uses up its stored vitamins and minerals, so you don't notice any depletions until months or a couple years have gone by, once the stores run low.

Ershoff divided laboratory rats into three groups. The first ate a basic diet, fortified with 11 vitamins. The second ate the same diet, along with an additional supply of vitamin B complex. The third ate the original diet, but instead of vitamin B complex received 10 percent of rations as powdered liver.

 

A 1975 article published in Prevention magazine described the experiment as follows: "After several weeks, the animals were placed one by one into a drum of cold water from which they could not climb out. They literally were forced to sink or swim. Rats in the first group swam for an average 13.3 minutes before giving up. The second group, which had the added fortifications of B vitamins, swam for an average of 13.4 minutes. Of the last group of rats, the ones receiving liver, three swam for 63, 83 and 87 minutes. The other nine rats in this group were still swimming vigorously at the end of two hours when the test was terminated. Something in the liver had prevented them from becoming exhausted. To this day scientists have not been able to pin a label on this anti-fatigue factor."

from http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/liver.html

I don't know about you guys but when it comes down to it. I think its way more important to just to practice.

The quality the effort and the more diligent always the better.

In my opinion, my opinion! this is flawed. It's like the old saying: "Don't just train harder, train smarter." If you train hard at something that isn't going to get you where you want to go, then you would have been much better off 20 years ago taking a step back and evaluating which path really IS going to take you where you want to go. Then every year check your progress: is it working? Am I really going where I wanted to go? Is this path really working?

There are a lot of studies done on animals and bugs that show that calorie restriction increases longevity. So, I don't believe longevity is genetically programmed. Sure, maybe there is a genetically programmed RANGE for lifespan...

the thing is that its pretty easy to maintain a fair levels of health and mobility well into old age even if your not doing taoist internal arts.

BANG.

I remember when, I remember

I remember when I lost my mind

There was something so pleasant about that place

Even your emotions have an echo in so much space

And when you're out there without care

Yeah, I was out of touch

But it wasn't because I didn't know enough

I just knew too much

Does that make me crazy?

Does that make me crazy?

Does that make me crazy?

Possibly

And I hope that you are

Having the time of your life

But think twice

That's my only advice

Come on now, who do you

Who do you, who do you, who do you think you are?

Ha ha ha, bless your soul

You really think you're in control?

Well, I think you're crazy

I think you're crazy

I think you're crazy

Just like me

My heroes had the heart

To lose their lives out on a limb

And all I remember

Is thinking, I want to be like them

Ever since I was little

Ever since I was little

It looked like fun

And it's no coincidence I've come

And I can die when I'm done

But maybe I'm crazy

Maybe you're crazy

Maybe we're crazy

Probably

Just wondering what you all think of all the mention of this or that Taoist is 130, or whatever. Do real Taoists actually live this long? Or is it some form of cultural exaggeration done to venerate the wise and elderly?

If they do live that long, then what do you think most contributes to that long life? Preferably with some evidence to back up the reason why you think it

One thing that concerns me are the monastic vegetarian even VEGAN diets. Vegan diets just plain aren't good for people. There's so much science to back this up, so for me it puts some of the Taoist stuff into question for me. Maybe these vegan diets are giving them amazing longevity, but making them very weak in the process? I know that calorie restriction is a known scientific method of extending lifespan, so maybe?

All the Best,

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