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I'll clarify.

Happiness is *it*. There's nothing more. You can make it complicated, but that's not my game. So there's nothing to discuss. I'm not subscribed to this thread anymore so I won't see any replies.

All the Best.

I'm afraid your point really doesn't say much. .

 

Trace that happiness and you will find a cause that is of habitual patterning. That is not true un-abiding happiness. And so your happiness will wax and wane according to the conditions that arise and settle.

 

And you'll realize that you have never actually been truly "happy" in the first place: always bounded by the ego and its conditioning.

 

Of course this is all just my opinion. Deeper points should be made when investigating such a dubious term. .

Sounds like malarky to me.

Ok ok ok... My point is I think you have made the concept of happiness wayyyyy tooooo complicated. It's not complicated. It's extremely simple.

What's there to say that hasn't been said yet?

I was thinking this same thing today, hehe. I guess I agree. There isn't much to say about the subject.

Though I did enjoy your post

Dream on

@Biff,

Well said.

But, I don't even think my Sifu does 3 hours standing in our school, hehe. 3 hours Golden Bridge would be amazing.

The 'dream world' is just as real as this one. Stillness will help anyone see this, and their true nature.

What is more interesting to me is that, the 'real' world is just as dream-like as the dream world.

I haven't attempted lucid dreaming in many years, its just never interested me, I think that is because I am more interesed in teh waking lucid dream

Anyhow, a very effective technique for inducing lucid dreaming that I used 7 years ago was this:

When you are awake, anytime you see a light switch look at it, note whether it is up or down. Then turn your head away and look again. If it changed then you are dreaming.

Also, when you are awake, and you see a clock, note the time it says, then look away, then look back. If it has changed then again... you are lucid dreaming.

You do this while awake, and the habit ends up being a habit you have while asleep, and you will eventually look at a clock and have the time change wildly. Then you go, oh snap I'm asleep! And wake up. Then knowing you are asleep you can manifest things into your dreaming reality.

GoldIsHeavy,

I asked, because some of your posts I read int he past made me think you would agree with me that all of life is born out of the mind.

I'd be very interested in a long discussion about that concept. The "life is a dream" concept, that is.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the idea of life itself being a lucid dream?

Lol.

Hey That Guy, on another note, since we seem to be talking more about meditation than "chi stuff", isn't meditation pretty thoroughly studied scientifically?

Well either way, I have got to get to work.

Peace.

And where does one draw the line between "thinking" and "feeling"?

That's not obvious to you?

Or are you trying to lead the conversation towards some deeper point you are trying to make.......?

My only point is that either you are happy or you're not. No amount of intellectualization, aka mixing around of words, thoughts, and concepts, will change it.

You're either happy now, or your not happy now. And of course it's on a spectrum, so there are shades of gray. Less happy, more happy, etc.

I trust my judgement, because I have a huge ego but seriously, because I have no real attachment to your spiritual practices and see no real benefit in them I can conclude you'd be better off doing something else which carries greater benefit.

 

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Someone asked my intentions when trying this stuff, simply put it was to find out for myself. And I read and practised what I could find here and there, and some is body function info some lucid dreaming stuff, some meditation and whatever else i came across. none of it really benefited me though, it was more like yeah ok thats that then...

I meditated and OBEd most consistently, until I just realised, well this really isnt going anywhere, I m wasting my time taking this seriously.

You trust your judgment on your life. Sure, makes sense. Except you don't realize how limiting your thought process is. You basically are acting like every teaching is the same, when really there is a huge variety of both type and quality of teaching. Did you ever learn directly from a master? And if he/she was a master were they REALLY a master? If not, then basically you are deluding yourself. You think you know what all this stuff is about and you haven't even done the fundamentals/basics => find a genuine master and do what they say!

If you have done the basics, and found (what you thought was) a real master, then I agree with you. If your practice feels like a waste, then it probably is. If you aren't getting anything out of it then stop doing it. Very sensible, and I agree. The important thing here is to be absolutely sure you were learning from a real master. If you weren't then once again you'd be deluding yourself, as you would be acting like you know what a real master could offer, even though you had never actually learned from one.

My teacher has changed my life profoundly.

Qi is real. If you're not experiencing it, find a better teacher. That's the short version, and not meant to be insulting.

All the Best,

Alex

I wouldnt want you to break your rules.

 

But how do you know what you feel is chi?! If it can be felt whats the hold up? whats taking so long for its discovery and acceptance into the knowledge bank of the world?

 

I m glad it seems to have changed your life in a large and positive way it seems, but so does taking LSd for some.

I'm not breaking any rules. Of course.

I know what I feel is chi because it follows all the markers of what chi is. How do you know what you feel blowing outside is wind?

You know there was a time when they couldn't measure wind either. They didn't have the technology for it.

I would say you FEEL happy.

Happiness is a feeling.

I voted #2. I say the biggest problem is and always will be finding a genuine master, willing to teach you.

But remember, we are speaking here from the original suggestion that many are experiencing a delusional happiness as opposed to what you just called 'just happiness' which is being suggested as being 'real happiness'. The words won't change the original premise.

 

A woman may think she is happy because she has a home, a husband who supports her and gives her physical attention but physically abuses her when he gets frustrated. Is she 'really' happy or is her 'happiness' a delusion?

 

Happy Trails!

Yeah, all good points.

I think the secret to it is in what you said.

She THINKS she's happy.

Either you're happy, or you're NOT. Intellectualizing whether you are happy or not hasn't got much to do with it.

On the other hand I see no reason why some people couldn't be perfectly happy under 'strange' circumstances like you are describing (getting beaten). Everyone doesn't filter reality the same way.

Yes I know its secret, only the ones who prove themselves worthy can be shown the truth. So lame seriously! Masters seems more like kids if thats their attitude.

"Master Somesome is chi real?"

"Yes... yes it is..."

"Could you show us?"

"Sorry only members of my little club are allowed to see it"

They re fake, if they werent fake they d at least make an effort to prove it real, they dont have to teach other how to use it, just prove its real, but they dont because they cant! They could revolutionise the world by proving it, and any real master would....

What are they afraid of?! i mean seriously!? publicity? fame? too many students? making an evil person powerful?

 

I d asy a guy with a machine gun is fa more dangerous than a guy who can shoot some chi at people after spending 10 years training. Proving chi would expose people who use it for negative reasons too, thats another plus, so if its real masters might be selfish or cowards, do you have another reason why they d keep it to themselves?

Scotty I dnt know if I can save anyone, but I want them to take a good look at what they ve really gained spending their time and money on stuff like this and if it was worth it.

I never said anything about a secret. When discussing things, it is good to be careful what words you put in which peoples' mouths.

My teacher Wong Kiew Kit teaches any deserving student who can follow our 10 Shaolin Laws (school rules basically, not meant to be generalized beyond our school's bounds). And willing to travel to see him in Malaysia or attend a regional course in Europe and sometimes the US.

I can feel chi. I need no more proof than that. Just like no one needs to convince me that wind is 'real'...

What have I really gained spending my time and money on this stuff? Everything. It's changed my life in a large way.

Not all 'masters' are real. But not all are NOT real either.

That Guy,

Reading your further posts it seems clear that you have decided that based on your limited experience you now are the authority on what is 'real'.

Look deeper into that, and you will see that isn't a logically sound thought process.

Good luck in all your endeavors.

No personal attacks. That is the core, main rule in my mind.

If people cannot come to discuss and know they will be treated with respect (the respect EVERYONE deserves), then you can be sure that no one worthy of respect will want to talk with you.

Just my two cents :-)

There is no such thing as "real happiness"... There is just happiness. Either you are it, or you're not.

Sunshine,

In our school, Shaolin Wahnam, the weight is even through the feet. The instructions are very simple. Assume the posture, and relax relax relax. The chi will flow and build naturally.

Like someone said earlier, you may appear to be still, but the chi is moving, and your body is technically still in a state of chi flow and is highly relaxed even though you may be in a relatively low stance like Golden Bridge. This is Flowingly Still.

If you had learned from a high-level master you might not be talking so much silliness, That Guy.

There's more to life than you think. Suffice to say that qi is absolutely real. Zero doubt whatsoever for me. And the rabbit hole goes much further than that (yi leads qi)

I'm not going to spend much time explaining it to you though, because I don't do that (it's policy)

I'm a white American. Ancestry is Italian and Polish. Perhaps it is genetic, because I don't function as well on vegetarianism. You would think that those of Asian ancestry may do better on vegetarian diets. Who knows.

I don't think there is a proper vegetarian diet. I don't think vegetarianism is healthy unless you eat a loooootttttt of eggs. And good quality (raw) dairy.

Veganism is just a mess waiting to happen.

Just one man's opinion.

I thought the idea of Taoism, as said in the Tao Te Ching, is that Te arises from the Tao naturally. That Te cannot be forced.

It's not taboo. I don't have an answer for you though. Hopefully someone will pop out of the woodwork.

Why is it [knowing the Russians' names] important ?

Because without the names you can't research the sources. Without being able to resource the sources, then it is just more of the spew you find on the internet.

No Thanks

Lol.

1. Shaolin Cosmos Qigong and Kungfu

2. Whole Foods Diet

3. ? I'll fill this one in when I can think of something