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Granted, now nobody cares about anybody at all. We are all island unto ourselves. The loneliness leads many to suicide.

 

I wish my family would take a chill pill, the tension in the house can be cut with a knife!

Granted!! They all take a 'chill pill' given to them by some creepy scientist guy with a lazy eye and within 20 minutes they're all frozen in blocks of ice. If you hurry you might be able to chip them out before they suffocate but be ready to care for them for the next few weeks while they combat pneumonia. That's a lot of chicken soup to make...

I wish gummie bears could talk. Especially the 4ib gummie in my kitchen.

We should keep this thread active so maybe someone will notice and send some of us an invite

For the record I always keep my seed ratio up

There is a reason the word 'parasite' has such negative connotations

Indeed. I still have a lot of western mangina programming I'm trying to work out of my system. Even if I still felt emotional discomfort however when reading about the guy's actions in this case, I would not try to be captainsaveaho to the woman either.

*Enter Captain Saveaho!!* lol jk.

The scales seem pretty balanced between the sexes IME. There are just as many "women" who don't deserve the title as there are "men." If you're completely honest and very discriminating though, then people of lesser quality tend to not be such an issue.

An excellent example of this is the swan. I have heard that if you give a swan a mixture of cream and water, it can drink the cream and spit out the water. So be like the swan keeping the cream of this life for yourself and leave the rest for those with less discerning tastes

Wake up every morning and realize you are a walking sack of rotting hamburger, you are soon approaching your expiration date, and when it's all said and done, you get thrown back in the meat grinder for another round as perhaps a sausage, or hotdog, something. Over and over. Repeat this daily realization for a few decades and you'll have me. More than death I fear rebirth, I just want out of this world and out of this cyclic existence. To me it's the ultimate cosmic joke that no one dares to talk about. It's too taboo of a subject, as is evidenced by your reactions.

 

I'm not a sith and I don't want to harm, or control others, or cause anyone problems. I just have something I have to accomplish before my death, and I intend to give it everything I can before I die. I am driven by that, it is my sole purpose for living. I seek transcendence.

 

Say whatever you like, judge me however you wish. We are each given our time here to use as we see fit, to live our own lives as we see fit, I am exercising that freedom and I suggest you do the same.

But what is it about life that is so horrible? What is it you hate so much that you're afraid you might be born here again? And how do you know that's even the case? I have seen terrible things in this world and experienced many things I would never dare wish on anyone yet I still see so much wonder and beauty in this life that it can be literally overwhelming. Your view to me seems the saddest, most unhealthy view I can imagine right now. If you don't love life then this world will take it from you.

No I don't want to become a better human, I want to become a better spirit being. I want to become free of death and decay and rebirth. I want to leave this planet and exist for eternity in solitude somewhere I can be alone, or with like minded beings.

 

When you say I want power, I don't want power to control or manipulate other people. I don't really much care for them. I don't want money or wealth, political clout, I just want to leave this cycle of death and rebirth and this ignorant little back woods planet.

This might be too personal a question so I wont take any offense if you don't answer, but how did you get to be so bitter?

You live in some idealistic fantasy world which doesn't exist outside of your own delusions. Relationships don't work that way in the real world, and if you think they do your grossly naive.

 

Achieving some peaced out hippy attitude doesn't you've transcended your biological limitations as an organism. It doesn't mean you can exist without a body, and exist without death or decay. Were talking about to fundamentally different things that aren't even related. Morality isn't linked to transcendence in the slightest.

 

I hate showing my ass and being bitter and cynical, but if you guys want a debate you'll have it. I'll stand my ground on this issue.

A debate isn't being a hard-ass and 'standing your ground.' It's a meaningful exchange of ideas. But you've backed yourself into a corner and chosen to turn it into some kind of a fight further proving exactly what songs is saying...

More Pie, I hate to break this to you, but you are not capable of a mature, healthy adult relationship if you are consciously concealing information from your mate. Withholding information that you know she would actually be interested in actually binds your own energy flow much in the same way that lying does. When she finds out some day down the line that you had a vasectomy, she will feel betrayed. In my relationships I don't keep secrets like this, it is liberating and empowering to have a mate with whom you share everything and don't intentionally hide something. Yes, and it is dishonest. If you don't think so, it's no wonder you're a loner. You apparently don't have any idea how to relate in a healthy way. You seem like someone who has been burned and damaged by some relationship, and now you've hardened into this selfish view of relationships.

 

Also sorry to inform you that a transcendent or realized being does have to do with morality and not harming others. It's just "truly a measure of energetic development"?? Man, where do you get these screwy ideas? Perhaps the Magus of Java can indeed send energy and set paper aflame by just pointing his finger, but these are just parlor tricks. Does he get angry or revengeful? Does he lose his equanimity if someone laughs at him and then punishes them with his 'magic'? Is he desirous of money and power, or beds his female disciples?

 

But I can see you're set in stone about all this, so I'm done trying to convince you.

 

Good luck with your desires for energetic powers.

Well said again. How come there's no smily for clapping on this board?

Ahhh, see it seems I completely misunderstood you. When you said transcendence I thought you were actually trying to become a better human (or possibly something more). You just want to be powerful. This puts you and everything you said into a whole new light. my mistake

I never said anything about 'true love' and if you consider honesty to be 'a quaint notion' then I feel sorry for you and anyone stupid or unlucky enough to have dealings with you in any way. Thats not holier-than-thou, it's a practical, honest assessment. Honesty is not as much a moral issue IMO as much as a practical one.

I think thesongsofdistantearth has put it the best and most concisely so far and if you can't see the reason in his statement and how it applies to you or ditto from anyone else in the last four pages (myself included) then it would seem unlikely that you are able or willing to. Since you're now resulting to personal attacks I guess that's further evidence that you're not really interested in meaningful communication anyway.

I wish you the best, seriously I really do. I hope that one day you get to have a healthy relationship with a beautiful, wonderful woman but first you'll have learn what that is.

You do realize babies can happen when you have sex right? I assume that's why you got the vasectomy. If you don't want a sexual relationship then why get snipped? If you don't have sex you can't be a father. If you're not in a sexual relationship and your woman would be just a training partner then why would she leave you if she found out? Again, your actions and choices do not line up with your stated reasons and excuses. Transcendent masters throughout history have been know for their compassion, not for their selfish deceit.

Furthermore, your understanding of women seems to be extremely naive, narrow and limited. I know many women who do not want kids and my girlfriend works with at least a dozen women who wish their boyfriends/husbands would get a vasectomy so they could get off birth control. (Birth control can have some rather nasty/fatal side effects with very long term use)

I'll ask again: How is your failing to tell a woman you're sterile any more honest than a woman who fails to tell you she stopped taking birth control?. You saying that it's trickery and lying when a woman omits her lack of birth control but it's total honesty when you omit your vasectomy is total hypocrisy. How many transcendent masters were known to be blatant hypocrites?

If you want to lie and hurt women to get laid, you certainly wont be the first. Just please don't try to pretend like there is any justification for it and please don't try to convince other people to do the same. Your stated decisions have a huge potential to emotionally damage another human being, and aren't even close to practical for keeping anything more than a short-term f**kbuddy.

Should be very interesting though. Can't wait to check it out and hope it turns out awesome. Everyone cross their fingers, knock on wood and if you see a falling star, make a wish

You're not being 'brutally honest' and you're not being pragmatic. Pragmatic would be only getting into relationships with women that want to be with you. Tricking a woman into a relationship that is other than what she is really looking for is not practical or pragmatic, nor is it in any way 'honest.' If you wanted kids and a big family then sterility would be a deal-breaker and you would go be with another woman.

You're saying to hide a huge detail about oneself because a woman may not like it. So maybe women should hide a huge detail about themselves too if they think men wont like it? Maybe if a woman already has kids she should omit that fact because she believes that EVERY guy is going to dump her when he finds out. Does this sound 'honest' to you? Your failing to tell a woman you're sterile is no more honest than a woman who fails to tell you she stopped taking birth control. But hey her medical info is none of your business right? That was your excuse a few posts back.

Ok so you admitted sterility twice and both times they left. That should tell you those two women wanted children and you don't. That is a perfect reason to end a relationship and you should be GLAD they left. But you don't really care what they want as long as you get what you want. How is that any different from the woman who stops taking the pill? She doesn't care that you don't want to be a father as long as she gets a baby from you. And you don't care that she wants to be a mother as long as you can get her to keep screwing you.

You can say it's not about sex all you want but you already said you're still close friends with the first girl. You're still close, you're just not having sex. If you don't care about sex then what's the problem? What have you lost exactly? I'm willing to bet the girl still loves you, she just wants kids and you don't. You didn't get rejected you just had different wishes. So again, what have you lost besides sex?

Pie I feel for your situation but what you're talking about isn't honesty no matter how many times you try to say it is. No matter how you try to pretty it up you've already said that your reason for withholding this information is because a woman will leave you if they find out. So you admit that you are hiding 'deal-breaker' level information in an attempt to keep a woman in a relationship that they would not want if they knew the truth and that isn't right for them.

If it's important enough for them to leave you over it then they SHOULDN'T be with you and need to leave. Your explanation still equates to 'it's better than getting tricked into a baby, well guess what? You've got a vasectomy and can't be tricked! It's already done. If she wants to trick you into a baby then WHY WOULD YOU WANT HER? If she wants to leave so she can have a baby then why would you want her to stay and give up what she wants most? This is clear evidence that you only want too keep a woman for sex and don't care what she want's in her life.

If you would only want a woman who is seeking only 'transcendence' then why wouldn't you tell her you got the snip? If she's fine with it then you've found the woman you're describing and if she leaves then she wasn't the one you were looking for anyway and you should be happy she's gone. Your stated goals and your actions don't line up. You SAY you only want a woman whose after transcendence, but you ACT like you just want to trick her into being your fuck-buddy, and calling me naive and idealistic wont change that.

The ONLY reason you would withhold info that would make them leave is to keep them. Why would you want to keep a woman in a relationship she doesn't really want? If you decide to keep you're women as prisoners of war then yes, love will ALWAYS be a battlefield for you. Any woman held in a relationship this way will eventually find the truth but how much of their lives will they have wasted on you first? How hurt and angry do you suppose they might be when they've clearly wasted a piece of their lives on a 'man' who doesn't have the balls to tell them they should leave if they really want a baby?

You've already answered your own bold print but here, I'll spell it out for you. A valid reason why it should matter is because they might realize you're never going to change your mind and leave you to go get what they want I know LOTS of women who don't want children but many of them are open to the idea that they MIGHT change their minds later. If all you tell a woman is 'I don't want kids' then they might stay thinking you could change your mind too.

Pie,

If you only want to get into a relationship with a woman who shares your dreams and aspirations, then wouldn't honesty be an easy way to find out? In fact it's the only way. If you say you're sterile and she bails then she's just shown that she's not a good enough match for you. If you choose to withhold such life-changing information, then you are showing that you don't really care if she's a good match and just want to get laid.

If a woman leaves because you've had a vasectomy then that means your wishes' were too different for your relationship to prosper. If you withhold that information because you think she'll leave you over it, then you're proving that you don't really care what she wants out of life as long as you get what you want from her.

You're now advising other people to disregard the deepest dreams and aspirations of the people they're supposed to care about most!? How can you claim to love someone when clearly you couldn't care less what they want or how they feel? And your excuse is basically that you'd rather get them before they get you! That is childish and selfish in the extreme. Assuming that all women will simply trick you rather than leave demonstrates some rather serious trust issues.

I can't watch stuff like that. The woman belongs in a mental institution.

 

Peace & Love!

Yup I would have to agree with you and yes after I finished making fun of her and upon watching the whole show, it does disturb me something awful.

I would say what I think about Scientology but this is a public forum and if they read it they might have the IRS take everything I have and/or frame me for murder. I wish that was a joke

Watch the movie Religulous, its free on video google, hahaha pretty funny!

I loved that movie!

Here's another one! I laughed pretty hard the first time I saw it. I actually watched the full show just to see if it was out of context and no, it's exactly what it looks like.

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I've never met anyone with any sort of powers who had anything bad to say about them. It's only people without power who say power is evil or pointless or whatever. It's the story of the sour grapes. Those who can't jump high enough to reach the grapes conclude that they must be sour...

You are doing two mistakes here:

 

1. Attributing your experiences to Kundalini or Shakti herself, as though it were her one fixed nature. With the three and a half fold nature she commands, she can be any color, any form, anything and with that half-aspect in action, Nothing as well! I am not sure what Yogis you are talking about and what your criteria to find how advanced they are are.

 

2. Ying and Yang as applied to Shakti. Shakti's ying and yang natures? Care to explain more with some reliable source? Apart from the fact that you are trying to mix up two different systems of nomenclature, you are also mapping the terms incorrectly.

 

So yes, you just did ascribe colors and definitions to Shakti, but incorrectly. When it is impossible to attribute fixed characteristics to Kundalini who's just one aspect of Shakti, how could one try and assign colors and yin and yang-ness to Shakti? I believe you have got your entire understanding of Shakti misplaced. I would suggest studying some classic texts as well and not rely upon some illusive plays one experiences in the body, awe-inspiring but not of any ultimate use. I don't mean to criticize you but people here seem to hold you as some sort of an expert, which obviously is untrue especially after you make such misinformed generalizations. If you are truly awakened, try invoking the Kundalini of Earth and tell me if she is yin or yang and if she is purple or blue? Try invoking the Kundalini of someone with blockages and tell me what is her color. Try invoking the kundalini of a yogi who has purified causal and supra-causal bodies and tell me what his prana kundalini looks like? Try invoking the kundalini of a yogi who has realized the emptiness within the heart-space and tell me what the color of his para kundalini is?

 

Of the three paths of Tantra, when one takes the Celestial route of the Devas or the superior vehicle, the Kundalini awakens not from the root from navel or above? So is she yin or yang there as opposed to the well-known case of root awakening? Does she still appear black and blue? Common Susan, with all those credentials, I expected better from you

 

Another question for you. If you attach yin and yang to Kundalini, what is Shiva in your Taoist terms? And is she completely yin and yang at any instant or varying percentages of both at a given instant? If that is the case, why did yogis adopt most often a fire path to awaken kundalini with next to nothing on the water path or the downward path?

 

You see the fallacy and needlessness of mixing up everything and trying to explain apples through oranges? I don't expect answers from you, but if I have been successful in pointing out how much more most of us have to study before we start preaching and making conclusions based on subjective, misinterpreted experiences, I guess I have not wasted time typing this post.

hmm, maybe I'm mistaken but I was under the impression that yin/yang could be used to identify/classify/understand anything in relative terms. Saying one can't use yin/yang to describe aspects of kundalini seems a lot like saying you cant use color to describe cake. "NO NO thats the wrong paradigm! Thats for pictures! You have to describe food in terms of flavor or you don't know what your talking about!!"

Just an observation, I could be wrong

I would say that 'black belt' is a term used to denote a skill level, but it's also much less specific. Comparing black belt to lama is like comparing bachelors degree to psychologist. You can get a bachelors/ black belt in many different fields of endeavor but calling your self a psychologist/lama is a claim to have a very particular set of skills and qualifications within a very specific field of study.

Also Mr. Miyagi taught (supposedly within the film) Okinawan Karate which does use a belt system. He simply hadn't bothered to assign Daniel-san any particular belt since he didn't really care about that very much. He just didn't want the poor boy to go through the rest of his life getting his ass whooped by arrogant pricks.

Hope that helps.

I suspect the reason people get worked up is that to get a title one must, as several people said, be apart of, and gain a certain level of competency within that lineage/structure. If someone claims a title they are claiming to have that experience/expertise/qualification. Claiming a title you don't have is fraud and anyone with common sense will likely be quite wary of a teacher with a habit of lying.

As has been said, titles denote very specific qualifications and experiences so for instance studying a little known hindu path in india then claiming to be maoshan because people recognize the name so you can get students would qualify is bullshit (official term).

Personally, some of my favorite teachers claim no titles at all. They still have a lot to teach and are quite powerful. If I wanted specific knowledge from a lineage then I would look for solid credentials. I'm not saying Tantrapa is/isn't a real lama or that he should/shouldn't be treated as such. Just clarifying a pint of view.

Why do humans have this need to yield to external authorities, when it is against their best interest? Fear? The need to fit into a larger group?

You might get a kick out of this!